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Teenager and child shot in Dublin halting site

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    #152
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,144 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Have Pavee Point been on the radio to discuss this?


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    #153
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Have Pavee Point been on the radio to discuss this?

    Discuss no.

    Blame the rest of us yes.


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    #154
    Joe prim
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Joe prim


    splinter65 wrote: »
    It’s a sort of war dance.
    “ I’m so angry and frustrated about the grave injustice visited on my family and I that feel I want to strip to the waist and bare knuckle fight any male member of the other family to the death in order to assuage my feelings of fury. Please note how well built I am and how fearsome I look. Verily, I say unto you, I demand satisfaction !”.
    For a man, hours and hours day after day after month after year of doing absolutely nothing ( wouldn’t tidy up the area wouldn’t put a lick of paint on the house wouldn’t pick up the kids broken toys) have to be filled in some way, and creating an imaginary war with another family is quite time consuming, that’s why there’s so many feuds.

    Very unfair comment, many travellers busy themselves doing social work, carrying out home visits to isolated and elderly "country people", often out of hours, and getting little credit for it.


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    #155
    falinn merking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭falinn merking


    This so called community or ethnic group whatever the current PC name is do not engage with the Irish state on any level.
    They don't work they commit crime unchallenged for the most part and pay for nothing.

    When people express anger at their actions it is called bashing and hate not that any of that community care what any of us think anyway they will carry on regardless.

    Many of us have to juggle work bills family and health problems.
    I will worry about what is in MY power to influence in my own life.
    If that community want to go at each other with their feuds I say let them at it.


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    #156
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Verpiss dich wrote: »
    This so called community or ethnic group whatever the current PC name is do not engage with the Irish state on any level.
    They don't work they commit crime unchallenged for the most part and pay for nothing.

    that is the case for a number yes. not all of them. it is fact they are an ethnic group, it's nothing to do with mythical pc. it's to do with designations based on evidence.
    Verpiss dich wrote: »
    When people express anger at their actions it is called bashing and hate

    because those who foam at the mouth usually engage in generalising all travelers, and in a number of cases, don't have the same anger for members of other groupings who engage in similar behaviour.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #157
    falinn merking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭falinn merking


    end of the road wrote: »
    that is the case for a number yes. not all of them. it is fact they are an ethnic group, it's nothing to do with mythical pc. it's to do with designations based on evidence.



    because those who foam at the mouth usually engage in generalising all travelers, and in a number of cases, don't have the same anger for members of other groupings who engage in similar behaviour.

    I can assure you I foam at the mouth with all scumbags.
    However you have to get on with life and make the best of things.


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    #158
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    end of the road wrote: »
    that is the case for a number yes. not all of them. it is fact they are an ethnic group, it's nothing to do with mythical pc. it's to do with designations based on evidence.

    because those who foam at the mouth usually engage in generalising all travelers, and in a number of cases, don't have the same anger for members of other groupings who engage in similar behaviour.

    Its seldom someone so eloquently contradicts themselves so succinctly.


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    #159
    end of the road
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    Verpiss dich wrote: »
    I can assure you I foam at the mouth with all scumbags.
    However you have to get on with life and make the best of things.


    good. i'm with you.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #160
    J.pilkington
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    Sad state of affairs. The intended victim really doesn’t care, he is happy out that he “ducked” and someone else got hit, not too bothered it was a baby and a woman.

    I just checked out “Parslickstown Gardens, Mulhuddart“ on google street maps.

    It’s a sad sight, how can people let their houses become so run down? With all the rubbish strewn about surely rats are rampant. Clothes drying on tree branches? I assume these are free houses to them so it might explain the complete lack of respect


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    #161
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    It's all fun and games until a baby gets shot.

    Perhaps the 'fun and games' are just about to start?


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    #162
    January
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    Garda are still hanging around this morning.


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    #163
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    January wrote: »
    Garda are still hanging around this morning.

    If they leave and something else happens Pavee Point will be up in arms blaming the Guards and the State


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    #164
    splinter65
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    J.pilkington wrote: »
    Sad state of affairs. The intended victim really doesn’t care, he is happy out that he “ducked” and someone else got hit, not too bothered it was a baby and a woman.

    I just checked out “Parslickstown Gardens, Mulhuddart“ on google street maps.

    It’s a sad sight, how can people let their houses become so run down? With all the rubbish strewn about surely rats are rampant. Clothes drying on tree branches? I assume these are free houses to them so it might explain the complete lack of respect

    Doing nothing all day every day, a whole bunch of adults, but not one can be bothered to do anything to keep the very small area even a little bit tidy. There’s absolutely no excuse.
    But a particular poster will be along soon to tell us why it is settled peoples fault that they are living in filthy squalor.


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    #165
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    If they leave and something else happens Pavee Point will be up in arms blaming the Guards and the State

    Travelers need to be protected from other travelers but it’s not the travelers fault it’s society.
    And we sit here and swallow it all like the numpties we’ve always been.


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    #166
    whisky_galore
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    J.pilkington wrote: »

    I just checked out “Parslickstown Gardens, Mulhuddart“ on google street maps.

    Had a look. People happy to live in their own filth.


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    #167
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    end of the road wrote: »
    it absolutely is . especially if it prevents another yesterday.

    Why should this one group get treated differently in the eyes of the law and in the allocation of resources just because the problem families are resistant to behaving themselves? What sort of precedent does that set?

    Is that not the very essence of discrimination? By refusing to hold them to the same basic standards of behavior as everyone else, are we as a society not setting them up to fail from the get-go by basically admitting that they are somehow incapable of adhering to certain standards of behavior?

    Take education for example - if a settled child was taken out of school before the age of 16, Tulsa would be all over it because it's illegal in this State. The same is completely not enforced on the travelling community, who still have a problem with children being taken out of full-time education after primary school.

    Is it not as insulting to their intelligence and the aspirations we as a society should have for every child, as it is insulting to the so-called universality of our legal system that this is allowed to go on?


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    #168
    PeterParker957
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    Doing nothing all day every day, a whole bunch of adults, but not one can be bothered to do anything to keep the very small area even a little bit tidy. There’s absolutely no excuse.
    But a particular poster will be along soon to tell us why it is settled peoples fault that they are living in filthy squalor.

    I take offence at being labelled "a settled person".

    F**k that. I'm a law abiding, hard working, constantly screwed over taxpayer.

    "Settled" implies we were once like these people.


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    #169
    Omackeral
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Had a look. People happy to live in their own filth.

    I struggle to see how anyone can defend the state of some of their dwellings. You'd be hard pressed to point the finger anywhere else in the example above. I'd actually like to see the mental gymnastics.


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    #170
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I struggle to see how anyone can defend the state of some of their dwellings. You'd be hard pressed to point the finger anywhere else in the example above. I'd actually like to see the mental gymnastics.

    Imagine having to live near it.
    Those office(?) being built overlooking the site to the right at the back.


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    #171
    [Deleted User]
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Had a look. People happy to live in their own filth.

    It's always good fun coming across a traveler site on Google maps, I recently ended up looking at the satellite view of the site on the N32 in Darndale. If you look around the back perimeter wall of the site you can see a band of shrapnel strewn around the place. I guess launching all your rubbish over your back wall to have someone else deal with it is handy.

    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.406067,-6.2016025,279m/data=!3m1!1e3


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    #172
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,865 ✭✭✭✭January


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Imagine having to live near it.
    Those office(?) being built overlooking the site to the right at the back.

    Houses and apartments were built behind them a few years back, you can see them built in the May 2014 view of the site.


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    #173
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    January wrote: »
    Houses and apartments were built behind them a few years back, you can see them built in the May 2014 view of the site.

    That the one in google street view?


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    #174
    January
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    That the one in google street view?

    Yep, you can switch between Sep 2009 and May 2014, in the Sep 2009 you can see something being built in the background which is the housing estate Avondale, completely social housing in there, it's completed in the May 2014 view.


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    #175
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Why should this one group get treated differently in the eyes of the law and in the allocation of resources just because the problem families are resistant to behaving themselves? What sort of precedent does that set?

    Is that not the very essence of discrimination? By refusing to hold them to the same basic standards of behavior as everyone else, are we as a society not setting them up to fail from the get-go by basically admitting that they are somehow incapable of adhering to certain standards of behavior?

    Take education for example - if a settled child was taken out of school before the age of 16, Tulsa would be all over it because it's illegal in this State. The same is completely not enforced on the travelling community, who still have a problem with children being taken out of full-time education after primary school.

    Is it not as insulting to their intelligence and the aspirations we as a society should have for every child, as it is insulting to the so-called universality of our legal system that this is allowed to go on?


    tusla don't have the resources to deal with children of people who can be here one minute and moved on the next. i'm sorry but that's the reality. the legislation existing applies to both traveler and settled children. mediation between groups isn't just for travelers.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #176
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    January wrote: »
    Yep, you can switch between Sep 2009 and May 2014, in the Sep 2009 you can see something being built in the background which is the housing estate Avondale, completely social housing in there, it's completed in the May 2014 view.

    Nice view!


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    #177
    eviltwin
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Nice view!

    Even better in summer when you can't go near your garden because they are burning rubbish.


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    #178
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    They dont pay bin charges or electricity.

    Why are they allowed not pay when others have too?

    One rule for them and another for settled profile.

    Hush hush now say nothing....

    Just thought id bump this to the current comments.


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    #179
    falinn merking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭falinn merking


    Remember the guy who posted on Facebook that traveler babies should be feed to sharks?
    That guy was charged and sent for trial.

    A traveler shoots a traveler baby no charge and move on nothing to see here.


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    #180
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Even better in summer when you can't go near your garden because they are burning rubbish.

    Thats a scurrilous accusation.
    It may in fact be a micro waste recovery centre, where copper is recovered from cables in specially designed shopping trolleys via exothermic processes in a Cottage industry type enterprise.


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    #181
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Verpiss dich wrote: »
    Remember the guy who posted on Facebook that traveler babies should be feed to sharks?
    That guy was charged and sent for trial.

    A traveler shoots a traveler baby no charge and move on nothing to see here.

    But there has been a man charged


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