Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

ButtersSuki

kunst nugget wrote: »

There's been no mention of Hope Solo from any of the Irish media, why are people feeling the need to blame Ciara Kelly alone for not mentioning when nobody has?

Not yet. Would she like to have a scoop?


No-one is blaming her btw - interesting choice of words you use. A few people have asked a hypothetical question about whether she will cover it or not - an entirely legitimate question given her previous coverage of topics.



I might email the show and ask her to cover it.

ButtersSuki

kunst nugget wrote: »

There's been no mention of Hope Solo from any of the Irish media, why are people feeling the need to blame Ciara Kelly alone for not mentioning when nobody has?

Now that you are aware of the allegations against Solo, do you feel it is a fair question to ask - regardless of what show, presenter or media outlet asks it? As I posited in an earlier post, if it were a male presenter against whom the same allegations had been made, do you agree there would be some degree of comment on this?

the_pen_turner

buckfasterer wrote: »

It's not that hard to find.

http://komonews.com/news/local/hope-solo-to-keep-playing-despite-domestic-violence-charge

Thanks . Didn't show up on any of my searchs

kunst nugget

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Now that you are aware of the allegations against Solo, do you feel it is a fair question to ask - regardless of what show, presenter or media outlet asks it? As I posited in an earlier post, if it were a male presenter against whom the same allegations had been made, do you agree there would be some degree of comment on this?

Probably, in all honesty, because a domestic violence charge would carry the spectre of spousal abuse with it.

I presume the announcement was made after the charges were formally dropped against her?

Drifter50

Interesting Andrea Gilligan filling in today, she came a bit unstuck with the segment about the 6th years going on boozy holidays. A lot of texters into the program suggesting the issue was`nt worthy of comment, only a bit of craic

juke

kunst nugget wrote: »

There's been no mention of Hope Solo from any of the Irish media, why are people feeling the need to blame Ciara Kelly alone for not mentioning when nobody has?

The Journal had it yesterday http://www.the42.ie/darragh-maloney-on-hope-solo-4056473-Jun2018/

The Indo had it first thing today https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/forget-dunphy-meet-the-firebrand-joining-rts-lineup-for-world-cup-36985444.html

The Bishop Basher

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Thanks . Didn't show up on any of my searchs

I wasn't aware of it either..

When you think of how Paddy Jackson has been treated, the double standards are astounding..

But it seems like this new breed of feminists lack the self awareness and emotional intelligence to spot the inconsistencies and hypocrisy of so many of their nonsensical arguments.

As a movement it's utterly irrational most of the time and on that basis it won't survive..

They will eat themselves with political correctness eventually.

In the mean time it's great fun winding them up.

kunst nugget

juke wrote: »

The Journal had it yesterday http://www.the42.ie/darragh-maloney-on-hope-solo-4056473-Jun2018/

The Indo had it first thing today https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/forget-dunphy-meet-the-firebrand-joining-rts-lineup-for-world-cup-36985444.html

Both covered by the sport sections of those sites. If people were griping about Off The Ball not covering it, I could understand that and they too would have a bias in their reporting as well.

kunst nugget

Rennaws wrote: »

I wasn't aware of it either..

When you think of how Paddy Jackson has been treated, the double standards are astounding..

But it seems like this new breed of feminists lack the self awareness and emotional intelligence to spot the inconsistencies and hypocrisy of so many of their nonsensical arguments.

As a movement it's utterly irrational most of the time and on that basis it won't survive..

They will eat themselves with political correctness eventually.

In the mean time it's great fun winding them up.

I don't think comparing Paddy Jackson to Hope Solo is comparing like with like. The reason the Paddy Jackson trial became such a shít show is because Paddy Jackson was a household name here (in rugby circles at least) and the fact that the trial was taking place in another jurisdiction with different laws in relation to the privacy of the defendant meant that the media here could report on it basically with impunity - something that couldn't have happened south of the border. That created a media circus that kept on being fed by the sensational nature of the case.

Hope Solo, an American female soccer player that most of us have never heard of before, had a drunken argument with her sister and nephew which never even made it to trial because the charges were dropped. I don't know why you think this would become a news story in Ireland.

meeeeh

Rennaws wrote: »

I wasn't aware of it either..

When you think of how Paddy Jackson has been treated, the double standards are astounding..

But it seems like this new breed of feminists lack the self awareness and emotional intelligence to spot the inconsistencies and hypocrisy of so many of their nonsensical arguments.

As a movement it's utterly irrational most of the time and on that basis it won't survive..

They will eat themselves with political correctness eventually.

In the mean time it's great fun winding them up.

So a court case on the island of Ireland, involving Irish international players being accused of rape and being guilty of despicable attitude towards women is the same as dropped allegation against a female footballer almost nobody heard of.

Oh yes let's the outrage about lack of coverage commence. How can we live with ourselves because a presenter who doesn't really cover sport probably won't dedicate whole show to alleged crimes of Hope Solo. Get the pitchforks and march to the Newstalk. It's an outrageous injustice against the men of Ireland.

Just a suggestion, I think you should all also boycott world cup since you all feel so strongly about this travesty.

artvanderlay

God, what a bunch of cry-babies, aghast at the reintroduction of college fees. It's simple, those that can afford to pay, should pay. Those that can't don't pay. People waste so much money on **** in this country, even kids waste so much money...let them pay if they can afford it. The sense of entitlement in this country sickens me. The unis need money to thrive, so if nobody pays fees then the government has to give the unis money, which comes from raising taxes. And then they'll whine about that....oh f*ck off! Unis here are sub-standard in comparison to their counterparts elsewhere. So f*ckin stupid.

ButtersSuki

artvanderlay wrote: »

God, what a bunch of cry-babies, aghast at the reintroduction of college fees. It's simple, those that can afford to pay, should pay. Those that can't don't pay. People waste so much money on **** in this country, even kids waste so much money...let them pay if they can afford it. The sense of entitlement in this country sickens me. The unis need money to thrive, so if nobody pays fees then the government has to give the unis money, which comes from raising taxes. And then they'll whine about that....oh f*ck off! Unis here are sub-standard in comparison to their counterparts elsewhere. So f*ckin stupid.

But how will Saoirse afford to run the Mini One gifted to her by her parents if she has to pay fees? What are you suggesting as an alternative - that she take public transport? She’s already mortified that the cor is a 172.

Berserker

artvanderlay wrote: »

God, what a bunch of cry-babies, aghast at the reintroduction of college fees. It's simple, those that can afford to pay, should pay. Those that can't don't pay. People waste so much money on **** in this country, even kids waste so much money...let them pay if they can afford it. The sense of entitlement in this country sickens me. The unis need money to thrive, so if nobody pays fees then the government has to give the unis money, which comes from raising taxes. And then they'll whine about that....oh f*ck off! Unis here are sub-standard in comparison to their counterparts elsewhere. So f*ckin stupid.

Don't get why we can't have a loan scheme where people can pay it back when they start working. Had to laugh and some of the comments on the show. Far too many people in this country want everything handed to them on a plate. The gentleman who spoke at the start of the piece made a very interesting point about the number of students who struggle with the learning format at third level. I used to tutor in Mathematics at an NUI and the change was too much for a good number of the students. Their parents had payed for grinds to help them with Mathematics at leaving cert level and they achieved high grades in their exams but the wheels came off when they tried to adapt Mathematics at third level. The failure rate in the Christmas exams was insane.

Drifter50

artvanderlay wrote: »

God, what a bunch of cry-babies, aghast at the reintroduction of college fees. It's simple, those that can afford to pay, should pay. Those that can't don't pay. People waste so much money on **** in this country, even kids waste so much money...let them pay if they can afford it. The sense of entitlement in this country sickens me. The unis need money to thrive, so if nobody pays fees then the government has to give the unis money, which comes from raising taxes. And then they'll whine about that....oh f*ck off! Unis here are sub-standard in comparison to their counterparts elsewhere. So f*ckin stupid.

So you think to go to university all the students should pay €10/€12k fees in addition to living expenses. What you will do with this approach is fill the universities with foreign students while a large proportion of home grown indigenous Irish students will simply not have the resources to attend. Banks won`t lend them money. In another generation you will drive all the well paid careers out of the reach of younger Irish 20/30 somethings

Berserker

Drifter50 wrote: »

So you think to go to university all the students should pay €10/€12k fees in addition to living expenses. What you will do with this approach is fill the universities with foreign students while a large proportion of home grown indigenous Irish students will simply not have the resources to attend. Banks won`t lend them money. In another generation you will drive all the well paid careers out of the reach of younger Irish 20/30 somethings

The universities here take in fee paying students as is and those who have passed through the LC still get to attend. A good number of the medicine students in the NUIs, for example, are fee paying students from abroad. As I said above, the state can sponsor the loans and the student can pay it back when he or she moves into full time employment. What is wrong with this approach?

Tin Foil Hat

ButtersSuki wrote: »

But how will Saoirse afford to run the Mini One gifted to her by her parents if she has to pay fees? What are you suggesting as an alternative - that she take public transport? She’s already mortified that the cor is a 172.

Do you really base your opinions on such cartoon characters?

Tell me how

Berserker wrote:

The universities here take in fee paying students as is and those who have passed through the LC still get to attend. A good number of the medicine students in the NUIs, for example, are fee paying students from abroad. As I said above, the state can sponsor the loans and the student can pay it back when he or she moves into full time employment. What is wrong with this approach?

In theory, I agree with it. I think it's a bit hypocritical of people to not want to pay fees for an education and 4 years later expect higher earning power because of that same education. Of course, the counter to this is that the economy needs these highly qualified individuals as much as they need the education and so they should be supported.

However, there are schemes such as you suggest in the US and UK with negative reports. Particularly in the US where a high quality education is really out of the reach of all who aren't very smart, very wealthy or willing to spend time in the forces to gain access that way.

Universities will always look for more funds so if a loan scheme was implemented, fees would continue to rise in my opinion.

artvanderlay

Drifter50 wrote: »

So you think to go to university all the students should pay €10/€12k fees in addition to living expenses. What you will do with this approach is fill the universities with foreign students while a large proportion of home grown indigenous Irish students will simply not have the resources to attend. Banks won`t lend them money. In another generation you will drive all the well paid careers out of the reach of younger Irish 20/30 somethings

Did I say all the students? I said the ones that can afford to pay. And as someone else also suggested maybe copy the UK loan scheme format, so nobody won't be able to afford third level education but you will have to pay it back eventually.



What do you suggest? The government pays for everything and ends up hiking taxes, which causes the same moaners to give out about that? Or we let the standard of the unis fall because of under-funding from the government, and they have to attract more foreign students to get their increased international fees in the coffers?

artvanderlay

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Do you really base your opinions on such cartoon characters?

Well the cartoon characters are the ones that you hear on radio phone-ins. Most normal people would be mortified to go on national radio talking such sh*t.

Tell me how

artvanderlay wrote:

Well the cartoon characters are the ones that you hear on radio phone-ins. Most normal people would be mortified to go on national radio talking such sh*t.

Can I ask, what do you think qualifies your opinion to be any more worthy than anyone else's?

artvanderlay

Plus there are also probably too many people doing degrees they don't need to get a job. Any office job I ever worked in Dublin was mostly populated by people that had degrees unrelated to their jobs. I personally wish I had done something more practical when I left school (carpentry/plumbing/sports fitness), and I got the second highest results in my year! It was never an option for me to go the practical route at that age, as I had no exposure to them, so everybody else is going to college, off with me. Bollocks! I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do, and should have taken a year or two out to just work, and find my feet as an adult. When I did go to uni, I had 10 hours a week of lectures....what a crock of ****. I could have finished a degree in a year if they taught it that way. A total waste of time. This idea that uni is a right, so you can f*ck around for 4 years at the tax-payers expense is a joke. And yes there are tough/worthy degrees, but they are not the majority.


Jeez, I'm getting very worked up this morning

artvanderlay

Tell me how wrote: »

Can I ask, what do you think qualifies your opinion to be any more worthy than anyone else's?

I'm not saying my opinion is more worthy (although I do view myself as rational, intelligent and able to use common sense!). I am expressing an opinion. If you don't like, disagree/argue with me to change my opinion, or ignore it. It's a great big world, with lots of dissenting voices. Enjoy! :P

tea and coffee

I thought the whole point of scrapping fees was to help kids whose families didn't have the financial means to send them attend. It was a laudable aim but the "registration" fees are now quite high so it's likely the reintroduction of fees wouldn't make that much difference :-(
If they do reintroduce them I hope that some thought is given to a waiver scheme for low income families.

Tell me how

artvanderlay wrote:

I'm not saying my opinion is more worthy (although I do view myself as rational, intelligent and able to use common sense!). I am expressing an opinion. If you don't like, disagree/argue with me to change my opinion, or ignore it. It's a great big world, with lots of dissenting voices. Enjoy!

That's what I thought.

Could you not apply that logic instead of getting worked up over people phoning in to radio shows?

Pretty sure they too see themselves as "rational, intelligent and able to use common sense!".

Be better for the old stress levels.

ButtersSuki

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Do you really base your opinions on such cartoon characters?

Do you really think that post was reflective of my actual thoughts on the serious elements of the subject matter? Seriously? It didn’t occur to you that I may have possibly been slightly taking the proverbial there?

artvanderlay

Tell me how wrote: »

That's what I thought.

Could you not apply that logic instead of getting worked up over people phoning in to radio shows?

Pretty sure they too see themselves as "rational, intelligent and able to use common sense!".

Be better for the old stress levels.

Yes but their opinions are wrong :pac:

Tell me how

artvanderlay wrote:

Yes but their opinions are wrong

And so it continues....

artvanderlay

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Do you really think that post was reflective of my actual thoughts on the serious elements of the subject matter? Seriously? It didn’t occur to you that I may have possibly been slightly taking the proverbial there?

But they are the people they want on radio phones ins. The cartoons, the ones that make your blood boil, the entitled, the trolls. You don't hear a sensible person talking, it's usually more and more ridiculous stuff until you get angry or change the station. Or end up on a msg board fighting! Seriously, why do I even put on Irish radio??? It just annoys me so much


F*ck this, I'm outta here!

Drifter50

Berserker wrote: »

The universities here take in fee paying students as is and those who have passed through the LC still get to attend. A good number of the medicine students in the NUIs, for example, are fee paying students from abroad. As I said above, the state can sponsor the loans and the student can pay it back when he or she moves into full time employment. What is wrong with this approach?

Really, what you are suggesting is similiar to the UK example where you can obtain a state sponsored loan to be repaid when the student obtains full time employment. Do you know what the default rate and scam rates on these loans are in the UK, its obscene according to an acquaintance of mine who is involved in this scheme in the Aylesbury area.

Sometimes we need a reality check, we are no bigger a population than the City of Manchester, ( not even greater Manchester ) and we have these lofty ideas, waken up, we can`t afford it

Berserker

Drifter50 wrote: »

Sometimes we need a reality check, we are no bigger a population than the City of Manchester, ( not even greater Manchester ) and we have these lofty ideas, waken up, we can`t afford it

So, the student will have to pay fees? If we can't afford a loan scheme then we can't afford to be paying fees for students. I'm happy with that.