Man and woman shot dead, two others injured in Dublin gangland shooting

scoey

Uriel. wrote: »

When are we going to start to get real about gangland crime in terms of laws and sentencings.

Never.

ChikiChiki

Spider Web wrote: »

But nobody is going out of their way at all. You're zoning in on gangland violence, which is certainly an extremely dangerous world, whereas people who say Ireland is a safe country are not just looking at gangland violence - they're looking at a much bigger picture: Ireland in its entirety. The vast vast majority of people in Ireland are not connected to gangland violence - a dangerous yet minority world.

Your average person does not have to worry about being attacked or shot.

There are countries, like Venezuela, where the general populace are constantly in fear that they could be killed. It's utterly dishonest to suggest Ireland is such a country.

I'm not suggesting Ireland is such a country. What annoys me is people still make excuses and bring out that line "one of the safest countries in the world" everytime something like this happens.

These gangs are running amok in Dublin and there is a huge heroin crisis on the streets of the city that is not being addressed. Instead of settling for less we should be expecting more otherwise it will get worse. The guards know exactly who is involved. Not enough is being done imo from a force that jumps from crisis to crisis.

Lets not settle for less ffs as we tend to do.

scoey

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm not suggesting Ireland is such a country. What annoys me is people still make excuses and bring out that line "one of the safest countries in the world" everytime something like this happens.

These gangs are running amok in Dublin and there is a huge heroin crisis on the streets of the city that is not being addressed. Instead of settling for less we should be expecting more otherwise it will get worse. The guards know exactly who is involved. Not enough is being done imo from a force that jumps from crisis to crisis.

Lets not settle for less ffs as we tend to do.

As long as we can compare Ireland's crime rate favourably to the USA and third world countries, most people are content to do the usual empty moaning and shrug their shoulders and there certainly won't be any widespread call for clamping down on criminality.

The problem is that some of these problems don't have softly softly solutions and require harsh responses from authorities to put back in their boxes, and that is something that isn't going to happen in any western European country.

Zebra3

We need to decide on a course of action and there's a straight choice:

Massive crackdown on drug dealers and drug users;

Or,

Legalise drugs.

The current situation ain't working and our cowardly political classes don't mind. Terrified of losing a few votes if they go for the later, yet not willing to fund the former.

scoey

Zebra3 wrote: »

We need to decide on a course of action and there's a straight choice:

Massive crackdown on drug dealers and drug users;

Or,

Legalise drugs.

The current situation ain't working and our cowardly political classes don't mind. Terrified of losing a few votes if they go for the later, yet not willing to fund the former.

What are we to legalise? All drugs?

And then, when all drugs are legal, what if criminals don't just shrug their shoulders and get jobs packing shelves down the local supermarket. What if they move on to killing each other and innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time over some other lucrative area of criminality.

Oh but then we can just make prostitution, burglary, car jacking, bank robbery, extortion, illegally imported cigarettes, people smuggling, protection rackets, sale of illegal weapons and every other crime legal.

What if they then proceed to killing each other and their relatives/associates over turf wars in the areas outside Ireland in which they are already highly active.

Well then we just have to go around the world convincing every other country to make all crime legal too.

BillyBobBS

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm not suggesting Ireland is such a country. What annoys me is people still make excuses and bring out that line "one of the safest countries in the world" everytime something like this happens.

These gangs are running amok in Dublin and there is a huge heroin crisis on the streets of the city that is not being addressed. Instead of settling for less we should be expecting more otherwise it will get worse. The guards know exactly who is involved. Not enough is being done imo from a force that jumps from crisis to crisis.

Lets not settle for less ffs as we tend to do.

People don't care as long as it doesn't effect their leafy Dublin communities. "Sure they are all scum", "single mums'", "dole heads" etc.. you see that attitude in spades on this website when it comes to discussions about people from disadvantaged areas. The same kind of people are only to happy to pick up a bag of white off a dealer though to bring to a party this weekend.

These people are the real scum and like i said they have blood on their hands today.

Rumpy Pumpy

Zebra3 wrote: »

We need to decide on a course of action and there's a straight choice:

Massive crackdown on drug dealers and drug users;

Or,

Legalise drugs.

The current situation ain't working and our cowardly political classes don't mind. Terrified of losing a few votes if they go for the later, yet not willing to fund the former.

The political class? Who might they be?

There's a very loud group of Marxists sitting up in the extremities of the Dail. Legalising the herb is one of their mantras. Not a priority for the 'political class' though. Most people have concerns that extend beyond scumbag users and dealers getting their fix.

A Dub in Glasgo

The Irish Times are reporting that

1. Derek Devoy was driven to the house so that he could drop off a child
2. Gunmen were waiting nearby
3. They opened fire killing his sister Annette and injuring others in the house
4. They shot dead the driver of the car that brought Derek Devoy to the house
5. Derek Devoy escaped through the back of the house

pilly

tomofson wrote:

Certain sections of paris,marseille,Barcelona and cities in italy have gun murders on a daily basis.

Those places are a lot bigger than Dublin.

pilly

Rumpy Pumpy wrote:

The Traveller culture is one that is in utter crisis at the moment.

What has that got to do with this story?

Spider Web

BillyBobBS wrote: »

People don't care as long as it doesn't effect their leafy Dublin communities. "Sure they are all scum", "single mums'", "dole heads" etc.. you see that attitude in spades on this website when it comes to discussions about people from disadvantaged areas. The same kind of people are only to happy to pick up a bag of white off a dealer though to bring to a party this weekend.

These people are the real scum and like i said they have blood on their hands today.

Yeah I'm no fan of the types you describe, but... I'ma go with saying the people who terrorise their communities are first and foremost "the real scum".

optogirl

MysticMonk wrote: »

His name wasn't bottler. Bottler is a term used to describe somebody who loses thier courage or "bottle".

Somebody who runs away could be called a bottler by someone unkind.

His nickname was Bottler

optogirl

what I couldn't believe was TV3 News interviewing a neighbour/witness with her head badly pixelated...if you were from the area you would absolutely know who this person was & it could put her in danger. Thought it was pretty unprofessional of the journalist/TV3. Surely she should have been told to go immediately to the Gardai rather than telling TV3 News what she saw.

major bill

Disgusting attack on a family home with kids about, RIP to the victims

and how bad are hitmen in this country? time and time again we see these clowns (more likely in drug debt themselves) kill the wrong or innocent people.

City needs a cull of these scum!

Amirani

scoey wrote: »

And how exactly is that the logical conclusion of what the poster you quoted said?

Is legalisation the only possible option?

I am going to name two wealthy countries which have a low streetcrime/murder rate/visible use of illegal drugs. Japan and Singapore.
Neither have achieved this through legalisation or a public acceptance of either soft or hard drug use, in fact quite the opposite.

Have you considered that people who push for legalisation may be pushing an agenda because they like drugs?

No, I agree it's not the only option and in large part yes, many who push for legalisation do have an agenda.

With regard to the other poster's point - they said that those who use illegal drugs have blood on their hands. By the same reasoning, those who allow drugs to remain illegal and just remain the mainstay of gangland criminals also "blood on their hands". Legalisation would likely cause issues, but would drastically reduce the power of gangland criminals.

That said, I absolutely don't agree with that logic and am merely pointing it out to refute what the previous poster said. It's a massive stretch to say that users of recreational drugs are responsible for these deaths.

Zebra3

scoey wrote: »

What if they then proceed to killing each other and their relatives/associates over turf wars in the areas outside Ireland in which they are already highly active.

You really should follow the news.

mikeybrennan

major bill wrote: »

Disgusting attack on a family home with kids about, RIP to the victims

and how bad are hitmen in this country? time and time again we see these clowns (more likely in drug debt themselves) kill the wrong or innocent people.

City needs a cull of these scum!

Whoever ordered the hit won't be too happy today

Intended target missed and possible wider retaliation for female family member being shot

scoey

Zebra3 wrote: »

You really should follow the news.

I do.

Anyway, so what you're implying is that one of your 2 options (drug legalisation in Ireland) is something you are already aware won't stop anything in relation to criminals shooting each other as you are aware that the big players are involved in criminality on turf outside Ireland?

If so, glad we agree.

MysticMonk

For those who howl out for the government to build "social housing"..take a good look at this incident.

optogirl

MysticMonk wrote: »

For those who howl out for the government to build "social housing"..take a good look at this incident.

what?

scoey

Amirani wrote: »

No, I agree it's not the only option and in large part yes, many who push for legalisation do have an agenda.

With regard to the other poster's point - they said that those who use illegal drugs have blood on their hands. By the same reasoning, those who allow drugs to remain illegal and just remain the mainstay of gangland criminals also "blood on their hands". Legalisation would likely cause issues, but would drastically reduce the power of gangland criminals.

That said, I absolutely don't agree with that logic and am merely pointing it out to refute what the previous poster said. It's a massive stretch to say that users of recreational drugs are responsible for these deaths.

Some people are in favour of much harsher enforcement of drug laws, both for users and dealers.
Properly punish illegal drug use to damage demand while also going after the supply.

You know, the approach used by the very few developed countries who don't have major drug and crime issues.

The idea that if you legalise drugs criminals will stop acting like criminals would be laughably naive, if I actually believed it was an argument made in good faith and not just a BS argument by middle class people who want to buy hash and coke freely.

mikeybrennan

scoey wrote: »

Some people are in favour of much harsher enforcement of drug laws, both for users and dealers.
Properly punish illegal drug use to damage demand while also going after the supply.

You know, the approach used by the very few developed countries who don't have major drug and crime issues.

Which countries?

Sounds more like the US where this approach hasn't worked

PistolsAtDawn

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Think it's important to remember and acknowledge anyone who uses cocaine or any illegal drug has blood on their hands this evening.

No, it's the people who keep certain drugs illegal who have blood on their hands.

Just legalise the stuff already!

kerry cow

I think users should be targeted more by the law .say for example any of the middle to upper class of this country who by their usage pedal the system .
Bring in legislation or what ever , open a special court and prosecute them ,name them daily in the papers and fine them heavily , say a grand each time they are caught , let that be minimum fine, apply it through revenue like property tax is done or from their dole payments .
Hit the pocket and name and shame .
Don't take this Bull siht , about human right and all that crap .
Drugs are killing this country and the government need to step up .

We have speed limits and , if we didnt we would all drive reckless and kill all aroumd , if we drive and drive we proscuted .if there is no drug demand then there will be no need for supply .
Demand and supply .

Wanderer78

Where are people going with all this, 'we must be hard on drug users'! There's no evidence globally that shows hardening drug related sentences etc has any sort of positive reduction in supply and use. As other have said, just legalise everything already, as all we 're doing is wasting time, money and resources fighting it. It's a health issue not a legal one.

hatrickpatrick

MysticMonk wrote: »

For those who howl out for the government to build "social housing"..take a good look at this incident.

Irrelevant. If the government knew what it was doing across the board, we would have more social housing, and scumbags like these wouldn't be involved because they'd be serving actual life sentences for their scumbaggery.

I can't wait to find out how many previous convictions both the gunman and the intended target had. I'll bet that it's in the double digits and potentially in the latter half of a hundred.

Ally Dick

Are they cream crackers?

Hermy

Uriel. wrote: »

When are we going to start to get real about gangland crime...

When we stop using silly terms like 'gangland' for these murderers.

DEFTLEFTHAND

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Whoever ordered the hit won't be too happy today

Intended target missed and possible wider retaliation for female family member being shot

Has probably signed his own death warrant whoever he is.

NIMAN

Scum will be scum.

Can't believe there are people using this as a chance to slag off the Government and Gardaí.

Kids, just say no. Nothing good ever comes from drug use.