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Mellor

pone2012 wrote: »

Had mayweather wanted to finish that fight early he could have...the difference in skills was huge... Mcgregor couldn't fase Floyd one bit

It's the only smart option....if you want to include idiotic options then yes..he could have attempted to finish early... But why risk it?

The fact that he didn't does not change the fact that he could have.. He had complete control over that fight from start to finish.. Everything was planned as such

If the fight went a few seconds longer, she'd have lost a $130k bet. Finishing in the 10 wasn't remotely the plan.

Mellor

pone2012 wrote: »

Had mayweather wanted to finish that fight early he could have...the difference in skills was huge... Mcgregor couldn't fase Floyd one bit

It's the only smart option....if you want to include idiotic options then yes..he could have attempted to finish early... But why risk it?

The fact that he didn't does not change the fact that he could have.. He had complete control over that fight from start to finish.. Everything was planned as such

If the fight went a few seconds longer, she'd have lost a $130k bet. Finishing in the 10 wasn't remotely the plan.

Subcomandante Marcos

Mellor wrote: »

If the fight went a few seconds longer, she'd have lost a $130k bet. Finishing in the 10 wasn't remotely the plan.

To be fair though, that's like you or I dropping a fiver.

Billy86

Mellor wrote: »

If the fight went a few seconds longer, she'd have lost a $130k bet.

I think you and some close family members need to sit down and have a serious discussion with your wife.

everlast75

walshb wrote: »

Too respectful of the boxing rules? Did you see the lumps on the back of Floyd's head?

Being honest, no.

But you know the point I am making. He was never going to win this fight with Queensbury Rules.

He was not docked one point by way of penalty. He could never win on points so why wasn't the strategy "**** the points, rough him up as much as I can and stop short of being disqualified". He did not do that, hence my view he showed too much respect for boxing rules.

mdwexford

Is there anywhere to see the full replay with American commentary?

Watched it live on Sky but have no desire to listen to that Froch Knob again.

walshb

everlast75 wrote: »

Being honest, no.

But you know the point I am making. He was never going to win this fight with Queensbury Rules.

He was not docked one point by way of penalty. He could never win on points so why wasn't the strategy "**** the points, rough him up as much as I can and stop short of being disqualified". He did not do that, hence my view he showed too much respect for boxing rules.

But you need to factor in his tiring and maybe his own choice not to waste more scarceful energy by breaking rules, some that may require amounts of energy. You said roughing up..when you are already breathing heavy, trying to find energy to rough up is not that easy.

Sofiztikated

everlast75 wrote: »

Being honest, no.

But you know the point I am making. He was never going to win this fight with Queensbury Rules.

He was not docked one point by way of penalty. He could never win on points so why wasn't the strategy "**** the points, rough him up as much as I can and stop short of being disqualified". He did not do that, hence my view he showed too much respect for boxing rules.

I thought he'd push the rules a lot more as well.

A bit more bullying and ragging about in clinches. More visible cheap digs. He dropped hands behind him once, to goad Floyd into a swing at him, for the counter, but he hadn't done enough to antagonise Floyd at that point.

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

To be fair though, that's like you or I dropping a fiver.

Pfft, as least a $50 for me, :pac::pac::pac:



He waned to place, 400k. Still a tiny amount overall. But he's obsessed with money. There's no way he tries to makes a bad bet for 6 figures.
If he was backing under 9.5, he was expecting it to last 6 imo.

Billy86 wrote: »

I think you and some close family members need to sit down and have a serious discussion with your wife.

Be grand, we'll talk when she stops winning.

gormdubhgorm

backspin. wrote: »

No way. Conor will run a mile from boxing now I'd say. A relatively weak but highly skilled 40 year old schooled him. A young fresh powerful boxer would knock conor out no problem.

If I remember correctly one of Conor's first comments about Mayweather I overheard straight after the the fight.

'He has no power in his punches....he just has composure'

It made me laugh.

.ak

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If I remember correctly one of Conor's first comments about Mayweather I overheard straight after the the fight.

'He has no power in his punches....he just has composure'

It made me laugh.

I'd say that's correct. Mayweather is not a power puncher. He has a natural boxer's power, and a sweet hook, but he's not a heavy hitter. When McGregor was gassed I could've gotten in there and floor him I reckon, Mayweather was unloading at will in the 10th and couldn't knock him down.

Outlaw Pete

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It made me laugh.

You never got me down, Ray.

Sofiztikated

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If I remember correctly one of Conor's first comments about Mayweather I overheard straight after the the fight.

'He has no power in his punches....he just has composure'

It made me laugh.

Isn't that what everyone, including boxing fans, are saying?

By composure, I took it as meaning "He ate my shots, and didn't look fazed."

xtal191

gormdubhgorm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Isn't that what everyone, including boxing fans, are saying?

By composure, I took it as meaning "He ate my shots, and didn't look fazed."

Sorry I didn't clarify it was just the irony of it because Mcgregor had no composure and no craft.

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/ChaseShermanUFC/status/902357679183724545

EagererBeaver

Sherman obviously joking but does anyone think that the ref was in any way unfair towards McGregor in that fight? He let him away with a lot and warned Mayweather plenty too.

Zero-Cool

Ha that was brilliant!!!

I thought the ref was fair, let them both away at it but yeah I remember watching the ref talk and thinking Jesus, Floyd is fighting too ref.

everlast75

McGregor and Kavanagh were saying before the fight that Conor would be coming at Floyd with stuff he had never seen before, as in unconventional punches/movement etc. Obviously regular boxing was never gonna do it.

But I didn't see any of that predicted approach. Did anyone else? Was it all a ruse to get the fight, or sell the fight, or did Conor not utilise it?

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

McGregor and Kavanagh were saying before the fight that Conor would be coming at Floyd with stuff he had never seen before, as in unconventional punches/movement etc. Obviously regular boxing was never gonna do it.

But I didn't see any of that predicted approach. Did anyone else? Was it all a ruse to get the fight, or sell the fight, or did Conor not utilise it?

Whatever they came up with probably seemed unconventional to Kavanagh because he has no idea about boxing.

The only thing I can think of is the illegal hammerfists to back of head in the clinch. If that was his 'outside the box' shots that were going to KO Floyd then Conor should get himself a new coach.

Watching him talk like boxers were constrained by their conventional approach and he had figured out a 'new approach' to boxing was cringe worthy. Would be like Floyd with zero BJJ experience saying that he had come up with some new submissions that would catch out a black belt because they'd never thought of them.

http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-column-august-2017-3560539-Aug2017/

MagicIRL

I have seen a lot of posts online of people saying that Floyd gave the first rounds to Conor to tire him out then take him out in the late rounds and it did indeed seem to play out that way.

My question is - if Conor had've taken the same approach, that is, not chased the KO/thrown many punches in those opening rounds, does anyone think he doesn't get so tired and has a better chance of winning, or at the very least, lasting 12 rounds?

Conor was landing on Mayweather when he was fresh. If Mayweather is playing defense, and Conor is playing defense, does Mayweather come forward, aggressive, as he has his legacy to protect? Does that give Conor a better chance at scoring the KO, as opposed to trying to dismantle Floyd's incredible defensive game?

walshb

MagicIRL wrote: »

I have seen a lot of posts online of people saying that Floyd gave the first rounds to Conor to tire him out then take him out in the late rounds and it did indeed seem to play out that way.

My question is - if Conor had've taken the same approach, that is, not chased the KO/thrown many punches in those opening rounds, does anyone think he doesn't get so tired and has a better chance of winning, or at the very least, lasting 12 rounds?

Conor was landing on Mayweather when he was fresh. If Mayweather is playing defense, and Conor is playing defense, does Mayweather come forward, aggressive, as he has his legacy to protect? Does that give Conor a better chance at scoring the KO, as opposed to trying to dismantle Floyd's incredible defensive game?

It's quite sad to say, but who knows if the novice pro could have gotten the win against the ATG had the novice pro had a solid cardio engine...

I would have to guess that Floyd would have stepped it up, figured out the novice pro, made the adjustments, countered Conor's offence and scored more freely on Conor mid to late rds. Taking a lot less in return.

Conor may have well made the full 12, but maybe not, seeing as Floyd would not have been fighting like he actually did as regards his kind of inaccurate and weak offence (employed it seems due to him not caring about Conor's return fire from rd 6 onwards) I think he would have been landing more thought out, precise and clean shots, that would have hurt Conor and possibly stopped him.

So, Conor is fit as a fiddle throughout, but his offence is what is is. His technique is what it is, his speed and power are what they are....not near good enough for me. Floyd gets the job done via stoppage.

That's my take.

Frank Bullitt

So its estimated that almost 3,000,000 people streamed this illegally.

Billy86

I would have actually expected more for an event like this, other really high profile fights, World Cup/CL finals, Superbowls, etc.

walshb

Billy86 wrote: »

I would have actually expected more for an event like this, other really high profile fights, World Cup/CL finals, Superbowls, etc.

I thought it very bland....

It began with the ridiculous forced/contrived pressers. It went downhill from there.

All manufactured hype and fook all substance. It's the world today.

This "biggest fight ever" is absolute crap....in terms of financials and pay to the two men absolutely. I tend to judge things not solely on money or global awareness/appeal.

eagle eye

Conor McGregor figured out a way to get paid huge money and imo he deserves huge plaudits for that.

He has helped UFC too because his fight with Mayweather has increased the awareness of the sport.

In a couple of years I'd expect to hear the top mma fighters talk about how their earnings increased massively because of Conor McGregor.

Subcomandante Marcos

Gintonious wrote: »

So its estimated that almost 3,000,000 people streamed this illegally.

I'd imagine that's on the low side...

walshb

Anyone know fight night weights?

Billy86

walshb wrote: »

I thought it very bland....

It began with the ridiculous forced/contrived pressers. It went downhill from there.

All manufactured hype and fook all substance. It's the world today.

This "biggest fight ever" is absolute crap....in terms of financials and pay to the two men absolutely. I tend to judge things not solely on money or global awareness/appeal.

Oh it completely was, and that's all it was ever going to be, it was an amateur boxer with explosive athleticism and a lack of a stamina going up against one of the best ever whose main strengths are his technique, ability to not get hit and in ring intelligence.

...which is why I've been getting some laugh from some who are so shocked and offended that it wasn't all-out action for every second, with each fighter going neck-and-neck throughout.

It was never going to be that or even anything resembling that (as one sided as it was, McGregor did even better than I expected - to put my expectations into perspective), it was always going to be a marketing exercise where the 'main event' was more the build up than the fight itself. But hey, it worked and they both made insane money from it as well as each of the their staffs, the promoters, etc. Can't really say I blame them or wouldn't have done the same in their shoes!

Still, for as hyped an event it was and all the buys etc I just expected to see higher dodgy streaming numbers.

EagererBeaver

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Gintonious wrote: »

So its estimated that almost 3,000,000 people streamed this illegally.

I'd imagine that's on the low side...

Yeah, I'd guess you could increase that by a factor of ten comfortably.