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Dublin North Quays - now double bus lane
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All mild and most just a shot of realty -- not worth your grandstanding.
And I can see why you opted for grandstanding -- your direct replies don't add up to much of a debunk of what was said.
A lot of the posts I was replying to are "Father Ted" like shot's of reality. Some of them come across as simple-minded, childish and brudgery driven given that they are clearly reveling at the inconvenience being caused to motorists.
Also, that comment there of "not worth your grandstanding" comes across as an attack the poster type response. However, I won't report it as I amn't a coward. I know we've never seen eye-to-eye on matters such as this.Most of the current holiday goers will be going back to buses, trams, and bicycles -- but very nice try to imply the good working people are all motorists.
It wasn't me who implied it. I was just replying to a comment that did. May I remind you that I only came in on the chat after 11 pages. The below post was one of the first ones in the thread:The traffic coming back after the summer holidays will cause mayhem all by itself
You know in more half the location along the quays bicycles outnumber cars at peak times?
I wasn't talking about bicycles was I?
Or are you trying to stir-up your misunderstanding that I am anti-cyclist?The person's work commute isn't the reason for using the quays. Tons of gyms close to the person's work place.
Currently, the quays forms or is part of a more direct route to work for some people. That's a fairly valid reason. So, yes, they will be rightly irritated by the prospect that their journey is going to be made more awkward. Finally, since when is a persons choice of gym location anyone else's business?
A better way to do this would be (at the very least) to find out where people are driving from with a view to identifying gaps in the transport network. Then, use this information to introduce new bus routes to soften the blow of inconvenience. However, this very crucial step in the process is not registering with people on this thread.Nothing, just:
-- a new more direct rail service with extra capacity and connectivity
-- a new tram extension adding to connectivity and capacity
-- new buses across the bus network
Millions in investment in Luas, the tunnel service and new buses but to you it's nothing?
Well, given that other cities in the developed world (with similar populations I might add) are doing many times the above, I would certainly consider them the bare minimum requirements.What do you want Dart and Metro to displace well under 800 people per hour? ...800 is the estimate of number of people in around 500 cars per hour on the quays.
Did I say DART or Metro? No!
You're really trying to put words in my mouth that aren't really there.
I said that new bus routes could be introduced to accommodate the aforementioned 800 people. This is something that could be done overnight by a public or private organization if it wasn't for the bureaucratic process of applying for bus licenses.
So, in an ideal world, instead of inconveniencing them with forced diversions and very likely lengthened journeys, the new routes would capitalize on the new bus lane.Is that a joke? Do you ever be in the city centre at rush hour? The share volume of traffic is the problem and a result of it is usually inevitably low-level law breaking.
You may have misunderstood me when you wrote this response. Whether or not that was intentional is another matter. Anyway, I was saying that motorists who occupy space dedicated to another class of road user are incredibly inconsiderate in this precise example. That includes parking on cycle lanes, driving in bus lanes, blocking trams etc.
Other than that, if people are driving around in the city in a safe, law-abiding manner, there is nothing inconsiderate about that. This goes for all other classes of road users.
What exactly do you mean by low-level law breaking?Let's get this right -- it's "incredibly inconsiderate" to make priority and space for the tens of thousands of people who will be using the current and newly diverted buses on the quays plus Luas Cross City and millions in public transport investment is "all take and no give".
Right...
You see, in this country when we come up with schemes, they are often half baked. For example, the plaza on College Green is all very well. Yet, we still haven't implemented Metro North or DART Underground. So, it's a case of inconvenience motorists without a solution or attractive alternative. I guess what I am saying is that once you have a more inclusive contingency plan in place, only then, are you in a position to inconvenience people.
Perhaps, use of the phrase "incredibly inconsiderate" was a tad emotive.0 -
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