Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Rosahane

Birdnuts wrote: »

Ciarian Cuff the D4 green MEP was wittering away about air travel 2day on the radio and then had to admit he flies at least once a week to Brussels:rolleyes:

And Eamonn Ryan was on this morning wittering on about how China has whole cities predominantly running electric buses, trains and cars; of course he failed to mention that they are opening hundreds of coal powered generating stations to provide the electricity!

Grizzly 45

oldgit1897 wrote: »

The Green wallys have just got their feet under the table at the eu parliament and are already planning to increase taxes. First on the agenda is a carbon tax.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-carbon-tax-back-on-commissions-agenda/

Abit out of date that article? 4/12/2014...;):p

oldgit1897

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Abit out of date that article? 4/12/2014...;):p

Yes, but its back on the table, and i think they are talking about doubling the carbon tax. You'll have to save up to take a 20 mile trip in your jeep soon, or sit shivering in your house because the oil is so expensive.

BattleCorp

oldgit1897 wrote: »

Yes, but its back on the table, and i think they are talking about doubling the carbon tax. You'll have to save up to take a 20 mile trip in your jeep soon, or sit shivering in your house because the oil is so expensive.

It's cold, throw another Green Party politician on the fire there BattleCorp.

Grizzly 45

Green party...The Water Melon fruit is an ideal fruit to demonstrate the Green party movement globally.
Thin Green agenda outer skin.
Communist Red inside.At the core there are Black Anarchist and Brown Fascist Pits.
Anti gun in extremis...UK,Germany,New Zealand US and Austrailia GPs have always been pushing anti gun and hunting legislation.We had a few mumbles from Greenie Sen,now MEP Grace O Sullivan on this after the Christchurch shooting.So expect more of that in the future.

Anyone want to see how utter crap they are at running a city?I'd suggest a visit to "Mogadishu -on-sea" AKA Brighton/Hove UK.A liberal nest of chaos and anarchy,and thats just the council chambers!The towns are such a mess that even hard core liberals are quitting and moving to London!

Cass

I see on the news that people have a new fad. An app that ages you, and all you have to do it upload your facial biometrics.

How dumb are people. Not enough they broadcast EVERY aspect of their lives on every possible form of social media, but incase that is not enough you give them this too. Then the article said that Facebook doesn't keep the information and deletes it within 48 hours. Yeeeaaahhhh.............. its dead safe.

BattleCorp

Cass wrote: »

I see on the news that people have a new fad. An app that ages you, and all you have to do it upload your facial biometrics.

Are dumb are people. Not enough they broadcast EVERY aspect of their lives on every possible form of social media, but incase that is not enough you give them this too. Then the article said that Facebook doesn't keep the information and deletes it within 48 hours. Yeeeaaahhhh.............. its dead safe.

If you have a smartphone, I'd say you've already signed away your rights ages ago. WhatsApp, FB etc. get permission to access your pics, microphone and sh1tloads of other stuff too.

Grizzly 45

Dumber are those who put an "Alexa" device in their house and connect that to the Net.Anything that has a loudspeaker in it can be turned into a microphone.Alexa has both!!That thing listens,records and logs any questions you might ask of it.T

The next step is wiring that to your domestic appliances as well for "energy conservation" and healthier living...So if you fancy a midnight snack,your fridge locks down and refuses you access ,as this will go above your daily calorire intake.:pac:

Couple that with as some have mooted in the EU's more darker corners of adding the Chinese plan of "good citizen ratings" IE you score a certain rating as a "good citizen" you get more privilidges of travel,freer internet usage etc.Critique the regime and you become virtually a social outcast. Imagine that here...I doubt anyone of us would still have a gun liscense to our names!:p

Not to mind the push for a cashless society,and the idiot Swedes millenials leading the charge on this too,by getting themselves "chipped" like sheep!

It seems we want to live willingy in Orwell's Oceania on Airstrip 1 no matter what,and the Govts are only too happy to oblige us.:(

Cass

Reading this today and wonder would it have anything to do with the slow down in some areas of paperwork, admin, and licenses?

Grizzly 45

That NI new broom sure does sweep clean alright.

"He’s letting go of Assistant Commissioners, Chief Superintendents and Superintendents, all of whom have a wealth of knowledge and know how the system operates"

Yeah it's called a purge of ranks where most of the problems usually lie in any army or police.Coup plotters and corruption are mostly found in the rank of Colenels.[IE middle/high rank] Big enough to cause problems,and have the ability to cover it up,small enough to go unnoticeable.

oldgit1897

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

That NI new broom sure does sweep clean alright.

"He’s letting go of Assistant Commissioners, Chief Superintendents and Superintendents, all of whom have a wealth of knowledge and know how the system operates"

Yeah it's called a purge of ranks where most of the problems usually lie in any army or police.Coup plotters and corruption are mostly found in the rank of Colenels.[IE middle/high rank] Big enough to cause problems,and have the ability to cover it up,small enough to go unnoticeable.

All overdue by decades. The police here were like the church, they thought they had a god given right to do exactly what they wanted to do and no one should be able to say BOO about it.

oldgit1897

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dumber are those who put an "Alexa" device in their house and connect that to the Net.Anything that has a loudspeaker in it can be turned into a microphone.Alexa has both!!That thing listens,records and logs any questions you might ask of it.T

The next step is wiring that to your domestic appliances as well for "energy conservation" and healthier living...So if you fancy a midnight snack,your fridge locks down and refuses you access ,as this will go above your daily calorire intake.:pac:

Couple that with as some have mooted in the EU's more darker corners of adding the Chinese plan of "good citizen ratings" IE you score a certain rating as a "good citizen" you get more privilidges of travel,freer internet usage etc.Critique the regime and you become virtually a social outcast. Imagine that here...I doubt anyone of us would still have a gun liscense to our names!:p

Not to mind the push for a cashless society,and the idiot Swedes millenials leading the charge on this too,by getting themselves "chipped" like sheep!

It seems we want to live willingy in Orwell's Oceania on Airstrip 1 no matter what,and the Govts are only too happy to oblige us.:(

Yes, ever do a search on Google and notice that you are offered videos on that subject the next time you log onto to youtube ? I use duckduckgo now.

My phone contract is up early next year, i will not be renewing it and if i do have a phone, it will be a dumb brick from 10 years ago. What pissed me off was messing around on google maps i came across a log where every trip and journey i made was logged, all on the map, the times, dates and from where i left and where i went. Who else knows this info ? All too big brother for me.

oldgit1897

Colorado state university refusing to use the term "America" and "American", because they are not "Inclusive". Has the world gone absolutely raving mad ?


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/colorado-state-dont-use-the-word-america-because-its-not-inclusive/

Grizzly 45

Thats what happens when you smoke too much weed! Colarado is one of the legal weed states...And it shows .

Grizzly 45

I see the Russians have legalised hunting with bow&arrow this week.
Something I could see Vladimir doing in his days off.:)

https://news.ru/en/society/russians-are-allowed-to-hunt-with-bows/

oldgit1897

Russia, despite all, seems to be one of the few countries left that has a low threshold for BS and nonsense. Its legal and quite common to bowhunt in the states, as well as having a muzzleloading season for large game there. But we would never allow that here as we irish know everything and are above all that.

Cass

oldgit1897 wrote: »

Russia, despite all, seems to be one of the few countries left that has a low threshold for BS and nonsense. .

Yeah cos they're a model of how things should be done. :rolleyes:

Cass

Cannot understand of believe the news article about the guy int he states that "forgot" his twin babies were in the car. He left them in 31 degree heat (which was 10-15 degrees higher in the car) for 8 hours, and both, tragically, died.

Don't want to speculate on the reasons or causes, but how do you forget your babies are in the car? Absolutely tragic and completely preventable.

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

Yeah cos they're a model of how things should be done. :rolleyes:

And Ireland is ? Bertie handing away our gas deposits in the west for a euro fer instance ? A half pissed Biffo telling Merkel how to run the German economy (the fourth biggest in the world) ? But yet the Irish reckon we know better than everyone else. Other examples ? Practical shooting, muzzleloading, reloading (with the exception of the midlands), bowhunting, things that cause no huge issues in other countries, but yet we cannot do here, because we know better than the Americans, Germans etc.

yubabill

I really hate to see those mass shootings in the US. Every time they come on the news I get annoyed.

Thought about this a lot over the years and my opinion is that the Americans have an immense sense of entitlement, probably because so many of them are single children.

Having never been there, this is pure speculation but I cannot understand what makes someone feel so aggrieved that they go out and shoot people.

I'm not just saying this because it makes sports shooters look bad - although it is a big part of it - I genuinely do not understand the mentality.

The recent guy in California yesterday seems to be a white supremacist, the NZ mosque shooter seems to be an extreme Leftist so go figure.

Cass

oldgit1897 wrote: »

And Ireland is ?

Can't argue with anything you said, but i meant it more in gest although there is a serious aspect to it.

Political assassinations, jailing of rivals, essentially a dictatorship, rampant poverty, imprisonment for views, etc.

My point is while no country is perfect i wouldn't be holding Russia up as the poster child for how things should be done simply because they use brutal and violent means to eliminate minority views.

Cass

yubabill wrote: »

Having never been there, this is pure speculation but I cannot understand what makes someone feel so aggrieved that they go out and shoot people.

I don't know, or more accurately, don't know ALL the conditions that create a mass shooter however you need to look at what has changed in the last 30 to 40 years.

I say that because up until the 70s children had access to firearms, but mass shootings, while they existed, were not nearly as prevalent.

The welfare state, high single Mother rate, lack of Fathers in the home, HUGE increase in prescription medication especially to children, the introduction of "gun free Zones", the (as you said) sense of entitlement, the "everyone is a winner" mentality all can cause these shootings.

There is a huge increase in children being medicated with strong drugs from an early age.This has to have an effect on the person. Throwing pills at someone without discussing the underlying cause of their mental health illness will solve nothing. It's like relying on your TV to entertain and raise your kids then wonder why they are disassociated from other people when they're adults.

This ties in with the current trend of allowing/forcing children to take chemical altering medication that "turns" them form a boy to a girl or vice versa. There is a reason why the age off consent, drink, drive, vote, etc. is 16 to 18 years of age. They are too immature before that age (and possibly at that age) to make an informed decision but the minority kick up such a stink labeling anything that goes against this ethos as racist, bigotry, sexist, etc. that no one dare challenge it.

The same lack of upbringing has created the millennial issue. This notion that everyone is a winner is ridiculous. The world needs ditch diggers and no matter what any parent may believe some children are destined for mediocrity. That is not a bad thing, but to never tell a child no, to give them trophies for participating, for never introducing them to failure means they expect to always get their way and when they face a situation in later life that does no conform to this they lash out, violently.

Again coupled with prescription drugs this can increase the "lash out" effect ten fold.

Lastly gun free zones. I don't personally believe everyone should have a gun, but the 2nd amendment in the US says you can (given the obvious exclusions). A good guy with a gun does not always prevent a bad guy with a gun, in fact statistics from the FBI says it accounts for less than 5% of them, but i'm not arguing for everyone to be armed merely the point that creating these zones and advertising their existence creates an opportunity for someone that is intent on doing harm.

This issue is far too complex for me to accurately diagnose and to think i have an adequate understanding of not only the causes and solutions is arrogant. I can have an opinion though and for me to understand why these events happen i try to look at what changed and like when something goes wrong with my rifle (excuse the simplistic analogy) i look to the last things i changed to figure out what has caused the problem.

Grizzly 45

yubabill wrote: »

I really hate to see those mass shootings in the US. Every time they come on the news I get annoyed.

Thought about this a lot over the years and my opinion is that the Americans have an immense sense of entitlement, probably because so many of them are single children.

Having never been there, this is pure speculation but I cannot understand what makes someone feel so aggrieved that they go out and shoot people.

I'm not just saying this because it makes sports shooters look bad - although it is a big part of it - I genuinely do not understand the mentality.

The recent guy in California yesterday seems to be a white supremacist, the NZ mosque shooter seems to be an extreme Leftist so go figure.

You'll proably find that this guy was off his meds...Again! The pharma and head shrinking industry in the US has alot more to answer for than the NRA in these cases.
America and especially California has some serious societial issues these days.That it must be a miserable time to be a kid over there.Between being pushed,depending on how fuked up your parents might be, to change your gender,because your dad is now your mum and your mum is now your dad,but was your actual mum when she,at the time got the AI man in with her single sex partner,and they are giving you hormone blockers to prevent you developing naturally into your true sex and gender.Or you actually DO have normal parents,but hardly ever see them as they are working every God given hour to keep a roof over your heads and are trying to make over 350k a year in California,as you are considerd breadline material there if you make under 150K PA. So you might have "issues" in what the US education system calls "high schools" but are literally a combination of a detention centre, gang turf,and jungle.where any sign of problems is sorted out with medication and anti depressants.

Usually Lithium based!!This seems to be the main thread in 95% of these shootings,and one of the side effects of coming off these anti depressants is apprently uncontrollable anger,and rage at everything and nothing. The shooter said to one victim according to witnesses "I feel very,very angry"

Huberty,before he shot up the Mc Donalds in San Yisidro,San Diego in 1984. Was taken off anti depressants,and knew himself that he wasn't right and literally begged to be put in an institution before he did harm....

Good luck with that over there. America has had an utterly appaling record of mental health treatment for the last 160 years. Think "One flew over the Cuckoos nest" type asylums just run even worse. Why do you think most American horror films have either a mental hospital,a escaped mental patient, or a creepy doctor working in one in their plot line somewhere? Or doing some kind of lobotomy experiment?Plus it cost the state millions in keeping people locked up every month.So keeping people who relly do need to be in institutions,in a chemical straight jacket of drugs is much more friendlier,and cheaper for the taxpayer.
Its why there are so many crazies walking around pushing shopping trollies with all their possesions in them in every US city.Or finding the occasional skeleton of a single old woman in an apartment surround by skeletons of a dozen cats,that no one had seen in some cases ,years.

It's only one of the multiple factors as to why people let their dogs off the leash and hitch up their UZI and head off for a Mc Donalds.But mental issues,not treating them properly and dangerous meds has a lot to play in these incidents.But somehow it's an inanimate objects fault!

BattleCorp

Cass wrote: »

Cannot understand of believe the news article about the guy int he states that "forgot" his twin babies were in the car. He left them in 31 degree heat (which was 10-15 degrees higher in the car) for 8 hours, and both, tragically, died.

Don't want to speculate on the reasons or causes, but how do you forget your babies are in the car? Absolutely tragic and completely preventable.

Happened in Ireland a few years ago. Well, not twins but same scenario.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/family-tragedy-after-baby-dies-after-being-left-in-car-on-hottest-day-35757623.html

oldgit1897

The thing is Canada has huge gun ownership too, but doesn't seem to have anything like the amount of mass shootings, murders, gang violence etc that the Americans have. I was on another forum which is mainly American, one old boy was saying he was ill, his health insurance premium is over 900 dollars a month ! If he was suffering with a mental health issue and had not got that insurance, he would not get treatment or get very little. Maybe thats the issue ?

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

Can't argue with anything you said, but i meant it more in gest although there is a serious aspect to it.

Political assassinations, jailing of rivals, essentially a dictatorship, rampant poverty, imprisonment for views, etc.

My point is while no country is perfect i wouldn't be holding Russia up as the poster child for how things should be done simply because they use brutal and violent means to eliminate minority views.

Essentially a dictatorship ? Sounds like ff/fg, the guards and the church here for about 70 years, now its the eu commission dictating. Rampant poverty, oh we had a bit of that here and still do, plenty of people kipping down in doorways in dublin city centre and i presume the rest of Ireland.

Brutal and violent means to eliminate minority views ? Oh a bit of that went on here too, especially during the troubles.

But point taken, you were taking the wizz

Cass

BattleCorp wrote: »

Happened in Ireland a few years ago. Well, not twins but same scenario.

Absolutely tragic.

I know its not widespread and happening weekly, but i just don't understand how anyone can forget their child is in the car. I don't mean to stick the boot in to anyone that has had this happen to them and i'm not seeking to apportion blame (what can i say that will change or make them feel worse than they do), but for me it's beyond fathoming how this can happen.

I know this is too simplistic to be used as a proper comparison but how many times per day do people have thoughts running through their mind like did i lock the back door, did i leave the light on, what have i to collect on my way home. Why in this quagmire of random thoughts did their children not enter their mind once. Even if they were sure they'd dropped them off it's your kids and a trip to the car to verify would have prevented it.

Anywho, just pondering after seeing the news.

Cass

oldgit1897 wrote: »

But point taken, you were taking the wizz

Being sarcastic/smart arse really, but not aimed towards you, just in general.

I'm not going to attempt to get into the social, political and financial comparisons/differences between Ireland and Russia because i'm woefully uneducated in the matter.

Cass

oldgit1897 wrote: »

The thing is Canada has huge gun ownership too, but doesn't seem to have anything like the amount of mass shootings, murders, gang violence etc that the Americans have.?

They also have gun registration, limits on what you can own, and no second amendment.

In fact some of our laws are based on Canadian ones.

Americans are utterly opposed to any form of gun registration/control and the second amendment does not require it. Some states implement gun registration for certain types or all types of firearms, but in general it's opposed. However Americans have thad this for over 240 years whereas places like Ireland have always had gun control and it's what we grew up with.

It's also down to our thought processes. Having had this freedom along with the first amendment that allows them to discuss anything they want including combatting the Government they can speak freely and without fear of oppression. We don't have this. Ireland has a free speech in our constitution (article 40.6) but its not like the American one in that it limits that speech up to the point of sedition or anything that contravenes the security/safety of the state. IOW it's limited and i don't know any other country in the world that has true freedom of speech. Look at the UK. You write the wrong thing on Facebook and it's jail.

We're a fairly new country being just 100 years old. Our attitudes have been shaped by our descendants and the hundreds of years as being a ruled nation. It's why we are slow to adopt to renting a property for a lifetime instead of buying it like people do in other countries. As a result we tend to follow the rules/laws regardless of whether we agree with them or not. It's the cap in hand attitude that we see daily. We controversy or scandal occurs we are outraged, but not quite enough to anything about it.

As i said above i'm not an expert, and in fact not even well versed on the issues, but there are some obvious enough differences that could be slightly related to the causes of these tragedies.

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

They also have gun registration, limits on what you can own, and no second amendment.

In fact some of our laws are based on Canadian ones.

Americans are utterly opposed to any form of gun registration/control and the second amendment does not require it. Some states implement gun registration for certain types or all types of firearms, but in general it's opposed. However Americans have thad this for over 240 years whereas places like Ireland have always had gun control and it's what we grew up with.

It's also down to our thought processes. Having had this freedom along with the first amendment that allows them to discuss anything they want including combatting the Government they can speak freely and without fear of oppression. We don't have this. Ireland has a free speech in our constitution (article 40.6) but its not like the American one in that it limits that speech up to the point of sedition or anything that contravenes the security/safety of the state. IOW it's limited and i don't know any other country in the world that has true freedom of speech. Look at the UK. You write the wrong thing on Facebook and it's jail.

We're a fairly new country being just 100 years old. Our attitudes have been shaped by our descendants and the hundreds of years as being a ruled nation. It's why we are slow to adopt to renting a property for a lifetime instead of buying it like people do in other countries. As a result we tend to follow the rules/laws regardless of whether we agree with them or not. It's the cap in hand attitude that we see daily. We controversy or scandal occurs we are outraged, but not quite enough to anything about it.

As i said above i'm not an expert, and in fact not even well versed on the issues, but there are some obvious enough differences that could be slightly related to the causes of these tragedies.

I thought the registration was gone in canada ? Or is it only registration for shortarms ? I do remember an attempt was over turned a few years back and it wasted a huge amount of taxpayers money.

I also thought son of castro would have tried again, him being such a sjw.