US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

The_Valeyard

osarusan wrote: »

I don't think NK will do anything too drastic preemptively. Just more blustering and vague threats.

Their lack of resources and their not being a genuine threat to those around them is the only way the regime gets to survive. I'm sure the regime knows this.

Push things too far and get involved in an actual war and the only possible military outcome (apart from whatever damage they might do themselves) is the total defeat of the regime .

And that's the whole point. The regime mist survive at all costs.

Bit like 1984 "we have always been at war with East Asia"

Dubh Linn

Like I said, somebody somewhere needs to do something.

skankkuvhima

ChikiChiki wrote: »

If Trump had any sense he would just ignore NK. They are irrelevant. But the big baby has to be seen to do something aided by the fact that the investigation into his ties with Russia is getting heavy and his approval rating at home is at a woeful 40%.

Are you for real? A North Korea with nuclear missiles irrelevant?

Dubh Linn

China is now warning that a conflict could break out at any moment over N Korea:

A conflict over North Korea could break out "at any moment", China's foreign minister has said, warning there would be "no winner" in any war, as tensions increase with the US.

I think this might be a precursor to a conflict of some sort, what with the test tomorrow and everything.

The countdown begins...

The_Valeyard

Dubh Linn wrote: »

China is now warning that a conflict could break out at any moment over N Korea:

A conflict over North Korea could break out "at any moment", China's foreign minister has said, warning there would be "no winner" in any war, as tensions increase with the US.

I think this might be a precursor to a conflict of some sort, what with the test tomorrow and everything.

The countdown begins...

It's all about who blinks first.

Dubh Linn

In my humble honest opinion, NK will blink first.

Cheerful Spring

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Right, but what makes this latest threat any different. NK launches a missile test, US says this, that and the other, blah blah blah, then everything is back to square one again. Can somebody not just do something about it before NK upsets the wrong person or makes another big mistake...

Trump, is the reason it's different. Hes a President who's willing to take on a country with nukes. Nobody on this forums know's if Kim will authorize the test nuclear test this weekend? What we know about North Korea came from Intelligence sources ( can be propaganda or truth)

If it did kick off. North Korea has the capability to strike Japan and South Korea even China and surrounding countries. Could they hit America is still debated?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Trump, is the reason it's different. Hes a President who's willing to take on a country with nukes

A country that is willing​ to test nuclear bombs not necessarily have the ability to actually launch one .

Bit of a difference

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

A country that is willing​ to test nuclear bombs not necessarily have the ability to actually launch one .

Bit of a difference

Pukguksong-2, missile has passed the test already. Its medium strike missile. They have the capability to strike South Korea or Japan already, What North Korea is testing right now is newer missiles that can go further and hit Washington. If North Korea can fire one of the missiles from a submarine they could hit the Western half of the United States.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Pukguksong-2, missile has passed the test already. Its medium strike missile. They have the capability to strike South Korea or Japan already, What North Korea is testing right now is newer missiles that can go further and hit Washington. If North Korea can fire one of the missiles from a submarine they could hit the Western half of the United States.

Still haven't a nuclear armed missle or bomb several previous tests proved inconclusive for nuclear weapon

Captain Chaos

Gatling wrote: »

Still haven't a nuclear armed missle or bomb several previous tests proved inconclusive for nuclear weapon

Exactly, it's still unknown if they have managed to get a warhead or MIRVs active on a ballistic missile yet. That's the hard part of developing an ICBM.

Sure, they have the missiles and they have the warheads, have they managed to meld them together yet is another thing.

A Little Pony

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

A country that is willing to test nuclear bombs not necessarily have the ability to actually launch one .

Bit of a difference

Pukguksong-2, missile has passed the test already. Its medium strike missile.  They have the capability to strike South Korea or Japan already, What North Korea is testing right now is newer missiles that can go further and hit Washington. If North Korea can fire one of the missiles from a submarine they could hit the Western half of the United States.

America wouldn't let them.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Still haven't a nuclear armed missle or bomb several previous tests proved inconclusive for nuclear weapon

Pukguksong-2, is a nuclear capable missile it just got a lower range trajectory compared to an intercontinental missile. If North Korea is carrying out nuclear fission they are not idiots.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Pukguksong-2, is a nuclear capable missile

Still doesn't mean they have the capability to put a nuclear warhead on one it's not so simple

Captain Chaos

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Pukguksong-2, is a nuclear capable missile it just got a lower range trajectory compared to an intercontinental missile. If North Korea is carrying out nuclear fission they are not idiots.

Yeah, capable. Have they managed to scale a warhead to a missile yet is the big question, and estimates are that they are not too far off but don't yet have to ability to fire a viable nuke at anyone yet.

Cheerful Spring

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Yeah, capable. Have they managed to scale a warhead to a missile yet is the big question, and estimates are that they are not too far off but don't yet have to ability to fire a viable nuke at anyone yet.

North Korea launched satellites to space and have successfully carried out nuclear tests for years now. They have demonstrated harder science already. I think they can launch nuclear weapons, let hope they don't.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

North Korea launched satellites to space

Satellite's​ launched into space is relatively easy compared to launching​ a nuclear warhead armed missle any great distance and accuracy

A Little Pony

I hope the US has invasion plans in place like Normandy. Its a matter of time.

Laois_Man

Look, the US says Assad used chemical weapons, Assad and the Russians says its a pack of lies

Nobody here knows who's telling the truth

A bomb that cost $314 Million to develop, and costs $16 Million per unit was used to kill 36 people in Afghanistan - rather than used in Syria where there'd likely be significantly more bang for the buck. Clearly shows both sides are full of ****. You can't believe what's said about North Korea's nuclear capabilities any more than you can believe what's said about the gas attack.

cnocbui

Noddyholder wrote: »

But according to folks here a month ago putin was his friend & ally who helped get him elected

He lied to Putin too. What's another dissappointed soul when the tally is already so high?

Gatling

A Little Pony wrote: »

I hope the US has invasion plans in place like Normandy. Its a matter of time.

What ever happens​ they would need to bypass the border and military zones and try beat China to taking a large part of the north as a buffer zone from South Korea and the US

cnocbui

Laois_Man wrote: »

Look, the US says Assad used chemical weapons, Assad and the Russians says its a pack of lies

Nobody here knows who's telling the truth

A bomb that cost $314 Million to develop, and costs $16 Million per unit was used to kill 36 people in Afghanistan - rather than used in Syria where there'd likely be significantly more bang for the buck. Clearly shows both sides are full of ****. You can't believe what's said about North Korea's nuclear capabilities any more than you can believe what's said about the gas attack.

We can make an assessment of the likelihood that every major country and institution that has tested the samples have confirmed a Sarin like agent is lying. We already know that Putin lies endlessly whenever it suits him so that leaves a reasonable path to conclude Assad and Putin are lying.

cnocbui

Gatling wrote: »

Still doesn't mean they have the capability to put a nuclear warhead on one it's not so simple

Unfortunately it is all quite simple if someone who already knows how to do it is helping you.

Gatling

cnocbui wrote: »

Unfortunately it is all quite simple if someone who already knows how to do it is helping you.

Also true

A Little Pony

Gatling wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I hope the US has invasion plans in place like Normandy. Its a matter of time.

What ever happens they would need to bypass the border and military zones and try beat China to taking a large part of the north as a buffer zone from South Korea and the US

China will join the US in destroying the regime. Unless North Korea is willing to halt its nuclear 'games', then it is going to happen. China will not take the side of North Korea, they have far more to lose to do so.

Laois_Man

cnocbui wrote: »

We can make an assessment of the likelihood that every major country and institution that has tested the samples have confirmed a Sarin like agent is lying. We already know that Putin lies endlessly whenever it suits him so that leaves a reasonable path to conclude Assad and Putin are lying.

Tested what samples?

Dohnjoe

Havent had time to go through the whole thread but it's worth mentioning - The N Korea leadership is not interested in any sort of situation or war that would actually realistically threaten their comfortable lives

They use these threats and escalations to extract concessions from the rest of the world - also to quell any power struggles at home

Even if the Trump admin did launch strikes (which would be bizarre) - I wouldn't worry about anything significant from NK, likely crossborder artillery fire and lots of chest thumping, but nothing serious

Dohnjoe

A Little Pony wrote: »

China will join the US in destroying the regime. Unless North Korea is willing to halt its nuclear 'games', then it is going to happen. China will not take the side of North Korea, they have far more to lose to do so.

China would have to absorb millions of refugees. In comparison Syria is the most significant humanitarian disaster today and that is "only" 5mm refugees spread across many countries. It's unlikely China could come even close to coping with the higher volumes that would potentially come from NK

China loses nothing from the status quo as they know their is little or no realistic threat from Pyongyang

CoolHandBandit

The day NK has a missile capable of reaching US air bases in the region all bets are off. Imo i'd say we are reaching that point faster than anyone presumes. Sooner or later the world will have to deal with the problem anyway.

cnocbui

Laois_Man wrote: »

Tested what samples?

The British delegation to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said UK scientists have tested samples from Khan Sheikhun and the samples “tested positive for the nerve agent sarin, or a sarin-like substance”.

Turkish officials said they conducted post-mortems on victims and also found evidence of sarin.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-assads-implausible-claims-about-chemical-weapons

Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said Thursday that autopsy results on victims of the attack in Khan Sheikhoun, Idlib province, confirmed that a “chemical weapon was used.” A statement later Thursday by Turkey’s health ministry said the autopsy results pointed to an attack with the deadly nerve agent Sarin. Chemical weapons experts who spoke to CBS News after seeing video of the victims also said it appeared to be a likely Sarin gas attack.

Autopsies on three of those who lost their lives were carried out at a Turkish forensics institute in Adana, according to local media. The victims died after being ferried across the border for treatment with around thirty others.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/syria-chemical-attack-samples-from-site-test-positive-for-sarin

Those ones.