US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Cheerful Spring

The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

North Korea has warned that a "big event" is near, and U.S. officials say signs point to a nuclear test that could come as early as this weekend.
The intelligence officials told NBC News that the U.S. has positioned two destroyers capable of shooting Tomahawk cruise missiles in the region, one just 300 miles from the North Korean nuclear test site.

American heavy bombers are also positioned in Guam to attack North Korea should it be necessary, and earlier this week, the Pentagon announced that the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group was being diverted to the area.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366

Will North Korea keep calm on Saturday or will they test the resolve of Trump?

Fiery mutant

A pre emptive strike against the North would have to be big, very big. I don't know if we're there yet. As much as I dislike Kim and Trump, I don't see this happening, maybe if they launch a missile test it might be taken out.

But I don't know about a pre emptive strike.

nice_guy80

Could the ships not take out a rocket if one was launched from North Korea?
Or is it a nuclear test that is feared?

Seeing as there is no 'peace' between the north and south surely any bombing would mean a resumption of war

netherlands15

BEST KOREA SCHEDULE NUKE TEST SATURDAY,

Silane

Seems very strange to me that America dropped it's first MOAB yesterday, on caves in Afghanistan. Those things are ridiculously expensive, why bother wasting it on a few terrorists on Afghanistan?, it's basically playing the worlds most expensive game whack-a-mole.
I think they were testing it out before dropping them on North Korea, possibly as a follow up to bunker buster attacks on the nuclear facilities.

ChikiChiki

This is what happens when two maniacs clash. Given all indications, it would not surprise me in the slightest at this stage if we seen a nuclear warhead fired by the end of the weekend.

Trump is steamrolling towards several conflicts at once with his ego. Why is he even bothering with North Korea ffs. Absolute moron.

netherlands15

also full moon weekend

Silane

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This is what happens when two maniacs clash. Given all indications, it would not surprise me in the slightest at this stage if we seen a nuclear warhead fired by the end of the weekend.

Trump is steamrolling towards several conflicts at once with his ego. Why is he even bothering with North Korea ffs. Absolute moron.

I think Trump is playing his hand pretty well, he's essentially forcing China to act on North Korea, China can't afford a US invasion of North Korea, if the US does attack, China will own the ground attack.
Something has to be done, they can't be allowed to launch Missiles towards Japan, and test nuclear weapons, the US are Treaty bound to defend Japan.

Dubh Linn

N Korea is remaining defiant over this.

North Korea will not "keep its arms crossed" in the face of a US pre-emptive strike, Pyongyang's vice foreign minister has said.
He also called Trump's tweets about the issue "aggressive" and said that he was "making trouble".

What is the world coming to?

Jim Bob Scratcher

Am I the only person rooting for mr Kim ?

Dubh Linn

Probably.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Probably.

He's the better of two evils to be fair

Dubh Linn

Quite a lot of people would disagree with you on that one.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Quite a lot of people would disagree with you on that one.

At least he doesn't dye his hair and wear makeup. Give him some credit :pac:

ChikiChiki

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

He's the better of two evils to be fair

Explain how someone who keeps millions of people in labour camps and does nothing to better the situation of their own populace is the better of two evils?

Dubh Linn

I know Trump is no angel himself, but Kim is threating nuclear war for God's sake.

netherlands15

just supposing trump and kim are the main actors,

neither will back down,

guaranteed mutual destruction

Silane

netherlands15 wrote: »

just supposing trump and kim are the main actors,

neither will back down,

guaranteed mutual destruction

Mutual Destruction?? Haha, seriously doubt that. You're grossly overestimating North Korea's force projection capability.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I know Trump is no angel himself, but Kim is threating nuclear war for God's sake.

Kim is all talk, his bark is worse than his bite, he's being making threats for yonks. In fact Mr Kim is a big fan of american basketball. :pac:

Dubh Linn

If the US does launch a strike on N Korea, which, given their "successful" mission in Afghanistan yesterday, could work out, what would happen in the immediate aftermath. Nuclear war, maybe? How likely is it at this moment that the US will hit North Korea?

Your Face

Pair of ****

Jim Bob Scratcher

Dubh Linn wrote: »

If the US does launch a strike on N Korea, which, given their "successful" mission in Afghanistan yesterday, could work out, what would happen in the immediate aftermath. Nuclear war, maybe? How likely is it at this moment that the US will hit North Korea?

You need to relax, why are you so worried about it ? it won't affect you. Just sit back and light a ciggie and enjoy the tit for tat. Nothings gonna to happen.

GIT SUM

CoolHandBandit

netherlands15 wrote: »

BEST KOREA SCHEDULE NUKE TEST SATURDAY,

I think we are past the stage of jokes tbh. Iv'e a friend who works in Seoul and she tells me there is a very strong noticeable increase in tension in the city over what's to come. The South Koreans aren't laughing about Kim Un Fats intentions anymore. As far as im aware even leaving nuclear missiles aside the North have enough artillary pointed at Seoul to kill thousands within hours.

I do hope somehow North Korean military leaders can organise a coup to overthrow their leader before it all goes pear shaped.

netherlands15

Your Face wrote: »

Pair of ****

don;t say that to their face, they might nuke ya

archer22

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Am I the only person rooting for mr Kim ?

You most certainly are not...judging by posts I have seen on foreign websites, it looks like a large proportion of humanity hopes he gives the orange clowns thugs a hiding.

Dubh Linn

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

You need to relax, why are you so worried about it ? it won't affect you. Just sit back and light a ciggie and enjoy the tit for tat. Nothings gonna to happen.

What makes you so sure?

Kim has played a clever hand so far. All the sanctions etc haven't stoped him reaching his goal of developing nuclear missiles capable of reaching the US. In fact he has made remarkable progress. Of all the nuclear powers, Kim is the one today that is capable of pressing the button and for that reason Trump knows that he must be stopped now, before he has the capability of wiping out Los Angeles.

Trump does appear to have China finally on board. If he attacks Kim it wont be just his nuclear facilities that he will hit, he will go after Kim personally and all their command and control systems. It will be really messy as the North Koreans are so indoctrinated and they have so many conventional artillary pieces that they will cause huge damage to the south. Fixing North Korea afterwards, either as part of the south or as a Chinese statelet will be expensive.

But the bottom line is Kim, won't and can't be allowed possess the ability to nuke the US.

netherlands15

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

I think we are past the stage of jokes tbh. Iv'e a friend who works in Seoul and she tells me there is a very strong noticeable increase in tension in the city over what's to come. The South Koreans aren't laughing about Kim Un Fats intentions anymore. As far as im aware even leaving nuclear missiles aside the North have enough artillary pointed at Seoul to kill thousands within hours.

I do hope somehow North Korean military leaders can organise a coup to overthrow their leader before it all goes pear shaped.

i agree with you and was not joking,

a test is scheduled for saturday,

Jim Bob Scratcher

Dubh Linn wrote: »

What makes you so sure?

How many times before have we heard about NK making threats against the yanks ?

geotrig

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

I do hope somehow North Korean military leaders can organise a coup to overthrow their leader before it all goes pear shaped.

Im not sure the military leaders are what you want to launch a coup against Kim ,they seem worse than him for wanting to show some force !

CoolHandBandit

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

I do hope somehow North Korean military leaders can organise a coup to overthrow their leader before it all goes pear shaped.

No chance. Kim has been ruthless in executing any who even think of opposing him. And apparently nobody knows where he hangs out.
Ever notice that when he visits a facility all the generals have little notebooks to write down every word Kim says?

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

You most certainly are not...judging by posts I have seen on foreign websites, it looks like a large proportion of humanity hopes he gives the orange clowns thugs a hiding.

Posts on foreign websites?

Snigger.

North Korea is the sick man of the world. Friendless, sitting in the corner, everyone else thinks it's weird. And worst of all, one of those weirdoes with a misplaced superiority complex.

Dubh Linn

Right, but what makes this latest threat any different. NK launches a missile test, US says this, that and the other, blah blah blah, then everything is back to square one again. Can somebody not just do something about it before NK upsets the wrong person or makes another big mistake...

Noddyholder

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Am I the only person rooting for mr Kim ?

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

He's the better of two evils to be fair

No I would say you would have many supporters here, On boards its like anything but America, even if its a fecking lunatic who has been screaming and test firing rockets & missiles for years now, Its about time someone put this Mad monk to bed.

netherlands15

Deleted User wrote: »

Posts on foreign websites?

Snigger.

North Korea is the sick man of the world. Friendless, sitting in the corner, everyone else thinks it's weird. And worst of all, one of those weirdoes with a misplaced superiority complex.

as kim jong il once said,

all criticism is self-criticism

ChikiChiki

netherlands15 wrote: »

i agree with you and was not joking,

a test is scheduled for saturday,

So tomorrow it is. Neither side will back down. How can anybody state it won't affect us? That's a very narrow minded view. Nuclear war would be catastrophic for the whole planet. Destruction, death, destroyed economies. I believe we are now at the closest point to all out nuclear war since the cuban missile crisis.

It seems hyperbolic writing that, but I am taking into account we do not have rational thinking people in power.

Noddyholder

Silane wrote: »

Seems very strange to me that America dropped it's first MOAB yesterday, on caves in Afghanistan. Those things are ridiculously expensive, why bother wasting it on a few terrorists on Afghanistan?, it's basically playing the worlds most expensive game whack-a-mole.
I think they were testing it out before dropping them on North Korea, possibly as a follow up to bunker buster attacks on the nuclear facilities.

The price or expense of war does not enter into it, Sure hasn't India & Pakistan got nuclear weapons & quite big armed forces yet they find it hard to feed there populations.

Silane

ChikiChiki wrote: »

So tomorrow it is. Neither side will back down. How can anybody state it won't affect us? That's a very narrow minded view. Nuclear war would be catastrophic for the whole planet. Destruction, death, destroyed economies. I believe we are now at the closest point to all out nuclear war since the cuban missile crisis.

How will there be a nuclear war? North Korea don't have ICBM's, there's nothing to suggest they have miniaturised warheads to launch against anybody.

Noddyholder

ChikiChiki wrote: »

So tomorrow it is. Neither side will back down. How can anybody state it won't affect us? That's a very narrow minded view. Nuclear war would be catastrophic for the whole planet. Destruction, death, destroyed economies. I believe we are now at the closest point to all out nuclear war since the cuban missile crisis.

You could be right, but what can one do ? NK has to be brought down, Every month there dear leader is getting more brazen & crazy,he murdered his own brother last month for being disloyal, Its now or never with him, I rather it now.

Dubh Linn

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Right, but what makes this latest threat any different. NK launches a missile test, US says this, that and the other, blah blah blah, then everything is back to square one again.

Except that they are making very rapid progress and having nuclear missiles capable of striking California is coming up fast.

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Can somebody not just do something about it before NK upsets the wrong person or makes another big mistake...

This was Obama's strategy. He hoped China would do this, but Kim basically ignored them.

Dubh Linn

What N Korea needs is a coup. A coup that will actually work this time. Turkey was a lot less harsh than NK with their coup, and even now a Turkish referendum might change all that...

Back to NK, the soldiers and the people need to rise up and do it now.


Come to think of it, now that I have posted this, I probably will never get into NK ever, not that I ever intended to go there. However, that might change if the dictatorship is overthrown, which is unlikely to ever happen!

ChikiChiki

Silane wrote: »

How will there be a nuclear war? North Korea don't have ICBM's, there's nothing to suggest they have miniaturised warheads to launch against anybody.

Syria is a hotbed at the minute too. Trump is picking too many fights.

Caparison

Nothings gonna happen lads . Shettle down hye . Be grand . There just havin the craic

archer22

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Explain how someone who keeps millions of people in labour camps and does nothing to better the situation of their own populace is the better of two evils?

Try reading out America's charge sheet...genocide, slavery, imperial wars, concentration camps, wars of aggression, nuclear attacks, chemical weapons use on a vast scale (agent orange), using depleted uranium, using phosphorous, more wars of aggression, supporting genocide of Palestinians both by weapons supplies and at UN.

Sorry what's that you said North Korea had done again? :rolleyes:

Dubh Linn

Let's see, Trump's hit list at the moment:

Assad
Kim
Putin
ISIS

What else?

Silane

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Syria is a hotbed at the minute too. Trump is picking too many fights.

He made a point in Syria, that chemical weapons wouldn't be tolerated. It was a measured response, Russia were warned in advance to avoid casualties, I think that was a smart, reasonable thing to do. It made the point effectively, drew attention to the issue, but didn't draw the US into the wider conflict.

Here again with NK, now is the time to stop this lunatic, and the US response is drawing China in to correct it. There's a carrier strike group heading to NK, not an invasion force, maybe nothing will come of it, but the point is made that China need to act one way or another now.

Silane

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Let's see, Trump's hit list at the moment:

Assad
Kim
Putin
ISIS

What else?

CNN

ChikiChiki

archer22 wrote: »

Try reading out America's charge sheet...genocide, slavery, imperial wars, concentration camps, wars of aggression, nuclear attacks, chemical weapons use on a vast scale (agent orange), using depleted uranium, using phosphorous, more wars of aggression, supporting genocide of Palestinians both by weapons supplies and at UN.

Sorry what's that you said North Korea had done again? :rolleyes:

Whats the craic with the rolly eyes? I'm by no means a big fan of the United States in fact quite the opposite. I'm aware of all that you have mentioned.

Kim wants to keep his populace enslaved in 2017. They deserve better.

archer22

Silane wrote: »

He made a point in Syria, that chemical weapons wouldn't be tolerated. It was a measured response, Russia were warned in advance to avoid casualties, I think that was a smart, reasonable thing to do. It made the point effectively, drew attention to the issue, but didn't draw the US into the wider conflict.

Here again with NK, now is the time to stop this lunatic, and the US response is drawing China in to correct it. There's a carrier strike group heading to NK, not an invasion force, maybe nothing will come of it, but the point is made that China need to act one way or another now.

China does not give a fock about America and will not be dictated to by them..if it comes to war they will support North Korea.

And China has the technology to sink that piddly little carrier group in a few hours

Noddyholder

archer22 wrote: »

Try reading out America's charge sheet...genocide, slavery, imperial wars, concentration camps, wars of aggression, nuclear attacks, chemical weapons use on a vast scale (agent orange), using depleted uranium, using phosphorous, more wars of aggression, supporting genocide of Palestinians both by weapons supplies and at UN.

Sorry what's that you said North Korea had done again? :rolleyes:

For all its faults & mistakes I would rather be on the US side then NK, China, & Russia any day of the week.