All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

PTH2009

Waterford beat Galway too win the 2013 AI minor title and 2016 AI Under 21 title. Can we add the 2017 AI senior title to that ???. Imo prob not but a Galway vs Waterford final would be a great occasion and the nuteral is guaranteed too witness one hell of a celebration no matter who wins. I think Cork will shade it against us next Sunday and be found out big time in the final.

Any team can freeze in a final but I think Cork or Waterford are more prone to do so compared too Galway who were there in 2012 twice and 2015. One thing we knw is this time 4 weeks Liam is going to a new home and i would ****ing love if it was Waterford

C__MC

Django99 wrote: »

Just to add one more who I hope you forgot, JJ Delaney. In my opionion the best defender of all time, remarkably consistent for over a decade and you could count on one hand the amount of bad performances he's had, while you could sit all day thinking of games where he was brilliant.

Plus 1. His block on eoin Kelly in 2013 and 2014 hook on Callahan were legendary

spideyman92

Thought Gleeson should have seen red after that charge out of goal and Tipp had a chance to equalise at the end which they put wide so I'm not sure I agree with the people saying Barry Kelly gave it all Galways way.

Hoki

I may be wrong here but I felt Galway had another gear in them if it was needed. Granted, the game was very close but i never really believed Tipp was going to win it. Conditions weren't the best for hurling and there was lots of basic errors on both sides. Galway had a lot of wides, Tipp had their share as well but on another day i think Galway could have had another 7/8 points and won a bit easier.

I think this game will stand to Galway massively - a 5 week break going up against a team who was scoring for fun twice in the last month and who just happened to be the reigning All Ireland champs was always going to be a close game imo. Galway didn't play great and still got over the line in a tough game, they'll have that in their locker for the big day out.

The Golden Miller

PTH2009 wrote: »

Any team can freeze in a final but I think Cork or Waterford are more prone to do so compared too Galway who were there in 2012 twice and 2015. One thing we knw is this time 4 weeks Liam is going to a new home and i would ****ing love if it was Waterford

I agree with your last sentence, it would be nice to see Waterford win it. Great hurling county who have been there or thereabouts for a very long time yet continually starved of the ultimate success. I know a few Waterford people and it would mean so much to them, aswell as everyone else in the county I'm sure!

But as for your point in freezing in the final, surely it would be the opposite? The fact Galway have been in the final in the recent past would make them more prone to freeze as the uncertainty grows and in their heads getting over the line becomes a bigger and bigger obstacle to climb like the Mayo footballers? You could be right about Waterford, again the weight of history. Don't see any problems with Cork freezing though, they are notorious for playing their best hurling in the final. No mental blocks there

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Waterford beat Galway too win the 2013 AI minor title and 2016 AI Under 21 title. Can we add the 2017 AI senior title to that ???. Imo prob not but a Galway vs Waterford final would be a great occasion and the nuteral is guaranteed too witness one hell of a celebration no matter who wins. I think Cork will shade it against us next Sunday and be found out big time in the final.

Any team can freeze in a final but I think Cork or Waterford are more prone to do so compared too Galway who were there in 2012 twice and 2015. One thing we knw is this time 4 weeks Liam is going to a new home and i would ****ing love if it was Waterford

I wouldnt begrudge Waterford an All ireland but i honestly do not think ye will win it playing Dereks muck. Play 15 on 15 and go for it. Ye have an athletic young panel and its well within their capabiliities

ForestFire

Hoki wrote: »

I may be wrong here but I felt Galway had another gear in them if it was needed. Granted, the game was very close but i never really believed Tipp was going to win it. Conditions weren't the best for hurling and there was lots of basic errors on both sides. Galway had a lot of wides, Tipp had their share as well but on another day i think Galway could have had another 7/8 points and won a bit easier.

I think this game will stand to Galway massively - a 5 week break going up against a team who was scoring for fun twice in the last month and who just happened to be the reigning All Ireland champs was always going to be a close game imo. Galway didn't play great and still got over the line in a tough game, they'll have that in their locker for the big day out.

There was only 1 point in it from the 60th min on and tipp were level in extra time.

At what point do you use this extra gear? Are you really suggesting they held back in such a close game, while leaking goal chances to tipp.

I think both teams gave it all out there today.

ForestFire

ForestFire wrote: »

There was only 1 point in it from the 60th min on and tipp were level in extra time.

At what point do you use this extra gear? Are you really suggesting they held back in such a close game, while leaking goal chances to tipp.

I think both teams gave it all out there today.

Oh Absolutely. It was ferocious out there today. I always felt that Galway shaded it and had a an edge being completely honest but couldnt make their dominance count on the scoreboard.

blackcard

Hoki wrote: »

I may be wrong here but I felt Galway had another gear in them if it was needed. Granted, the game was very close but i never really believed Tipp was going to win it. Conditions weren't the best for hurling and there was lots of basic errors on both sides. Galway had a lot of wides, Tipp had their share as well but on another day i think Galway could have had another 7/8 points and won a bit easier.

I think this game will stand to Galway massively - a 5 week break going up against a team who was scoring for fun twice in the last month and who just happened to be the reigning All Ireland champs was always going to be a close game imo. Galway didn't play great and still got over the line in a tough game, they'll have that in their locker for the big day out.

Game near its end. Draw game. Why did Galway wait this long to find this extra gear? Nonsense.

windy shepard henderson

great win for galway today , the most consistent team in the country without an all ireland

i personally hope they win the big one this year as they deserve it and are the best team in the country but....... its 29 years and counting and the last time galway won an all ireland without cyril farrell in charge was 1923 :eek:

although wexford were the last team from the second tier to win the all ireland back in 1996 so not that daunting .....

Hoki

ForestFire wrote: »

There was only 1 point in it from the 60th min on and tipp were level in extra time.

At what point do you use this extra gear? Are you really suggesting they held back in such a close game, while leaking goal chances to tipp.

I think both teams gave it all out there today.

Game near its end. Draw game. Why did Galway wait this long to find this extra gear? Nonsense.

From 40 mins on Galway never went behind in the game. I just felt from watching, that if Tipp had gone ahead in the latter stages of the 2nd half that Galway would have had an answer for it (obviously not in injury time).

windy shepard henderson

Hoki wrote: »

From 40 mins on Galway never went behind in the game. I just felt from watching, that if Tipp had gone ahead in the latter stages of the 2nd half that Galway would have had an answer for it (obviously not in injury time).

cant fault either side today , it was superb stuff , scrappy at times yes but direct and everything left on the field , i dont think there was any gears left on either side but galway were the better side , defended a little better then tipp and created more chances , i would even consider them very wasteful at times between the 40th minute and the end of the game

reality it took an impossibly brilliant score at one end and a lucky break down the other end to get them over the line

MfMan

Patww79 wrote: »

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No, but how many great or iconic scores can you think of when recalling Shefflin's career? Not dissing the man, but Canning as correctly stated has quite simply done things on a field that Shefflin has never came near doing. Shefflin's greatness came in his organising of the team around him, playing so consistently well for so long (even though he had plenty of quiet days too you know), making others lift their standards. Shefflin was never a genius though in the way Canning, Whelehan, Tommy Walsh, Carey, maybe even Eoin Kelly was, just didn't have that innate natural ability.

DEFTLEFTHAND

That second half was some hurling. Two class sides.

I'm a Tipp man but I'd love to see Galway go on and win it now.

I really want to see Joe Canning get his hands on a AI medal. Class hurler

xl500

what is the rule re Hand pass can you throw it or do you have to strike it with the hand

https://youtu.be/kTZby8OuuKY

OldMrBrennan83

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Joe_ Public

I don't know 50% but quite a few seem to be thrown these days, a tendency that's crept in more and more over the last 10-15 years. Refs dont police it stringently, so players know they can get away with it.

As a tipp man, though, I'm not crying foul over it, though it's clearly a throw. It's the way it is. Another area refs don't police is when a player in possession goes to ground, clearly touches ball on the ground, but it's rarely, if ever, blown up.

Edit: the referee is in no position to see that pass/throw anyway. And while it's right under the linesman's nose, if refs are generally reluctant to police the handpass rule, then there's no way we can expect a linesman to intervene.

hunter164

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I should clarify what I mean when I said Canning was easily the best player of the last 30 years. In terms of pure natural ability, and regularly reproducing that ability at a pretty consistent level to do things on the pitch I've never seen others do. When he's at his best and in full flight there is simply no one on his level, nor has there been for as long as I can remember. Can't remember the likes of Christy Ring playing so hard to compare that far back

I'm sorry but Joe Canning might be extremely talented but he can never match up to Tommy Walsh.

A man that could play in any position on a pitch, take a ball out of situations that seemed near impossible, always on form, struck the fear of god into men twice his size, and could score for fun too.

xl500

hunter164 wrote: »

I'm sorry but Joe Canning might be extremely talented but he can never match up to Tommy Walsh.

A man that could play in any position on a pitch, take a ball out of situations that seemed near impossible, always on form, struck the fear of god into men twice his size, and could score for fun too.

Struck is the word all right

https://youtu.be/NOzOdPGBz-0

hunter164

xl500 wrote: »

hunter164 wrote: »

I'm sorry but Joe Canning might be extremely talented but he can never match up to Tommy Walsh.

A man that could play in any position on a pitch, take a ball out of situations that seemed near impossible, always on form, struck the fear of god into men twice his size, and could score for fun too.

Struck is the word all right

https://youtu.be/NOzOdPGBz-0

Hurling's a tough game and I'm pretty sure I've seen 'precious' Joe do worse than that.

xl500

hunter164 wrote: »

Hurling's a tough game and I'm pretty sure I've seen 'precious' Joe do worse than that.

I am From neither Galway or Kilkenny but "precious" Joe Canning as you call him is definitely one of the Greatest Hurling Players I have seen

OldMrBrennan83

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xl500

Patww79 wrote: »

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Maybe But Tommy was surrounded by Great Players I have seen Joe winning matches almost Single handed at club and County Level

That point he scored yesterday to win the match only one of many equally good scores

https://youtu.be/a-t9RDhLZ-g

Realt Dearg Sec

xl500 wrote: »

Patww79 wrote: »

Tommy Walsh would have to be too though.

Maybe But Tommy was surrounded by Great Players I have seen Joe winning matches almost Single handed at club and County Level

That point he scored yesterday to win the match only one of many equally good scores

https://youtu.be/a-t9RDhLZ-g

Have you seen Tommy play at club level? Didn't exactly spend his career surrounded by all Stars. Saved them from relegation on many an occasion.

xl500

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Have you seen Tommy play at club level? Didn't exactly spend his career surrounded by all Stars. Saved them from relegation on many an occasion.

I have seen him and not saying he is not a great player But I and its only my opinion I would not put him at the same as Joe Canning taking every aspect of his Game into Account Skill Level,Temprement,etc

dubcat51

Canning is no doubt a great player.but the best of the last 30 years (your having a laugh).tommy jj henry nicky english ken mcgrath to name few I would rate above joe.

jr86

What relevance Tommy walsh plucking balls out of the sky above lads about a foot taller than him has to quality players playing around him is beyond me

It's the sort of cliche you generally hear about a corner/full forward "getting good service"

BENDYBINN

dubcat51 wrote: »

Canning is no doubt a great player.but the best of the last 30 years (your having a laugh).tommy jj henry nicky english ken mcgrath to name few I would rate above joe.

Love to see any of them scoring a point like Joe got yesterday!

The Golden Miller

hunter164 wrote: »

I'm sorry but Joe Canning might be extremely talented but he can never match up to Tommy Walsh.

A man that could play in any position on a pitch, take a ball out of situations that seemed near impossible, always on form, struck the fear of god into men twice his size, and could score for fun too.

And yet still didn't have the ability of Canning

PTH2009

Odd question but is the premium type section open in the back of the lower Cusack for the semis ???

We were there for the league in March and it was pretty comfy