All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

jr86

munsterlegend wrote: »

Ok well you are changing it to non all Ireland finals matches now. Galway have beaten Cork in non all Ireland hurling final matches In my view the all Ireland day is different to other matches with the occasion and what it brings.

I can't imagine any Galway person would prefer cork in the final over Waterford.

The last time galway played cork in a final was 2005...

Completely and utterly irrelevant to 12 years later with zero players from both current sides involved that time

I always find talk of records spanning decades bizzare in the extreme

Galway have dealt comfortably with Cork since 2008 bar the league play off.

It still remains to be seen if this Cork run is more than a false dawn... wasn't long ago that Limerick put them out of the league.

What Cork still don't have is size and strength which they've got away with in Munster.

I'm not sure they've got this much better in such a short space of time.

Waterford will let teams hang in games as well with their retreating and are prone to racking up large wide counts.

I honestly don't think either team will be a harder game than today... also none of the Waterford players have AI final experience and very few of the Cork players do either.
Most of the Galway panel were there two years ago.

Christy Browne

Doltanian wrote: »

After today we are guaranteed new All-Ireland Champions who haven't won since 2005 for Cork, 1988 for Galway and 1959 for Waterford. Galway have been the most consistent of these three over the last few years and Waterford the least.

Waterford the least consistent? This is our third semi final in a row.

Cork have been nowhere the past few years.

jr86

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Galway have dealt comfortably with Cork since 2008 bar the league play off.

It still remains to be seen if this Cork run is more than a false dawn... wasn't long ago that Limerick put them out of the league.

What Cork still don't have is size and strength which they've got away with in Munster.

I'm not sure they've got this much better in such a short space of time.

Waterford will let teams hang in games as well with their retreating and are prone to racking up large wide counts.

I honestly don't think either team will be a harder game than today... also none of the Waterford players have AI final experience and very few of the Cork players do either.
Most of the Galway panel were there two years ago.

Cork's issue the last few years has been their defence which they've sorted out hugely so that's made a massive difference. Their forwards have always been top quality

It really is impossible to speculate at all about the final before the other semi is played tho as much a cop-out as that sounds

letowski

You would have to back Galway against either team, history doesnt really come into it. Its a seasoned Galway team that has been on the road a while.

Galway would have a huge physical advantage over Cork while they have about twice as much firepower up front than Waterford.

digzy

Minderbinder wrote: »

Over the course of the summer Tipp have been very weak champions.

Completely disagree
We lost to cork by 4 points and 1 today. Both games we could've won.
Hammered Dublin and beat Clare and Westmeath.

Bonniedog

Henry couldn't resist getting a dig in against Barry Kelly !

mountgomery burns

munsterlegend wrote: »

Ok well you are changing it to non all Ireland finals matches now. Galway have beaten Cork in non all Ireland hurling final matches In my view the all Ireland day is different to other matches with the occasion and what it brings.

I can't imagine any Galway person would prefer cork in the final over Waterford.

You'd probably do well to ask them that. Consider this, they have lost three time in most of their followers memories to Waterford when favourites. I'd say you'll find plenty who would be cautious should they face them.

Who they would fear more doesn't really matter. Most people couldn't see past Tipp this year during the league after Galway lost to Wexford. Nobody saw Cork beating them, and even after that Waterford were big favourites against them (with the bookmakers.)

So I'm surprised a Cork fan is talking about favouritism as though it bears any significance. Although not really that surprised when they're favourites to beat Waterford.

Dyr

Bonniedog wrote: »

Henry couldn't resist getting a dig in against Barry Kelly !

Was up in the nosebleeds but I thought he did Galway a fair few favours today

lawred2

Bonniedog wrote: »

Henry couldn't resist getting a dig in against Barry Kelly !

A dig? Hardly. Kelly was very poor today. Galway did well out of him.

munsterlegend

jr86 wrote: »

The last time galway played cork in a final was 2005...

Completely and utterly irrelevant to 12 years later with zero players from both current sides involved that time

I always find talk of records spanning decades bizzare in the extreme

I get your point but however Galway have blown plenty all Irelands when favourites as they will be whoever they face in September.

Also there will be added pressure on them being favourites to win a first all Ireland in nearly 30 years.

The_Kew_Tour

Waterford or Cork won't fear Galway, but I would give them slight favs against either team.

Even though was not a thriller it was still miles better then most zfootball games this year.

Mokuba

Tipp man there today who has seen Waterford live 3 times, and Cork live 3 times in the Championship. And now Galway once.

That Galway side will beat either of those teams in the Final without too much danger. 4 or 5 points anyway.*

*my opinion only. Not fact.

redlead

I can't believe that people watched such an entertaining game and have come on here to knock lumps out of each other. The next couple of games are all 50/50 in my opinion but Galway have earned the favourites tag for whatever it's worth.

I would actually think it would suit Galway slightly better to play Cork than Waterford because with Cork they can take them on at their own game as such and have the firepower to win. With Waterford it's a system they aren't fully comfortable with. I'm not saying that Waterford are better than Cork, just it's a better style match up for them.

The beauty of it is we'll have a fresh all Ireland winner and no-one fears anyone either. From a Waterford point of view we always feel we have a great chance of beating both in modern times and neither team will fear us either. Hopefully next weekends game is as good.

The_Kew_Tour

Next weeks game is going to be very tight. Hard to call, I think we(Cork) can nick it but it's very close.

I think we will if you put a gun to my head.

vetinari

Great game, either side could have won it. Should stand to Galway in terms of killing some of the nerves.

The Golden Miller

I'd fancy Cork to go on and win it now. Tipp have been poor all season and the tight match probably made both teams look better than they were. Cork will have a bit more steel about them than Tipp in terms of grinding out a result, and when you add in Galway's psychological weakness at getting over the line in a final it looks good for Cork. That is providing they beat Waterford, which I'd fully expect them to do.

On another note, Canning is just brilliant. Easily the best player of the last 30 years imo, and arguably the best of all time. Does things consistently that no other player can do. Shefflin was brilliant, but simply not on Canning's level

Moggy13

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Galway have dealt comfortably with Cork since 2008 bar the league play off.

It still remains to be seen if this Cork run is more than a false dawn... wasn't long ago that Limerick put them out of the league.

What Cork still don't have is size and strength which they've got away with in Munster.

I'm not sure they've got this much better in such a short space of time.

Waterford will let teams hang in games as well with their retreating and are prone to racking up large wide counts.

I honestly don't think either team will be a harder game than today... also none of the Waterford players have AI final experience and very few of the Cork players do either.
Most of the Galway panel were there two years ago.

You're very much mistaken..Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran have that horrible 2008 AI Final experience and the likes of Austin Gleeson and Stephen Bennett have thar 2013 AI Minor Final winning experience

lawred2

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'd fancy Cork to go on and win it now. Tipp have been poor all season and the tight match probably made both teams look better than they were. Cork will have a bit more steel about them than Tipp in terms of grinding out a result, and when you add in Galway's psychological weakness at getting over the line in a final it looks good for Cork. That is providing they beat Waterford, which I'd fully expect them to do.

On another not, Canning is just brilliant. Easily the best player of the last 30 years imo, and arguably the best of all time.

Cork have a bit more steel about them? Wouldn't be so sure about that. We'll see I suppose.

But that Munster championship was full of dandy hurling with nobody laying a hand on each other. It will not be the same for whomever comes up against Galway in a final.

Cork are not a physical side.

jr86

I still find it unusual that people keep talking down cork's chances

They did also beat tipp and in all fairness won Munster the hard way beating the three better sides of the remaining four

I know they haven't done much the last two seasons but they have a lot of new talent and defence is much more solid. They've some serious momentum now. To be honest I'm sure they're delighted there's no real hype

Bar a win by 10 plus points for either team next week galway will be pretty much everyone's tip for the final. How they handle the favourite's tag will be interesting

mickmackey1

Brilliant contest but it just shows how great KK were to rack up numerous titles. People will say the opposition wasn't great but maintaining that level of hunger is the most difficult part. Tipp just didn't have the sharpness this year and most of them have just the one medal.

rgace

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'd fancy Cork to go on and win it now. Tipp have been poor all season and the tight match probably made both teams look better than they were. Cork will have a bit more steel about them than Tipp in terms of grinding out a result, and when you add in Galway's psychological weakness at getting over the line in a final it looks good for Cork. That is providing they beat Waterford, which I'd fully expect them to do.

On another note, Canning is just brilliant. Easily the best player of the last 30 years imo, and arguably the best of all time. Does things consistently that no other player can do. Shefflin was brilliant, but simply not on Canning's level

I think it will help Galway to play an inexperienced team rather then a Kilkenny/Tipp who are more used to winning All-Irelands in recent years

munsterlegend

jr86 wrote: »

I still find it unusual that people keep talking down cork's chances

They did also beat tipp and in all fairness won Munster the hard way beating the three better sides of the remaining four

I know they haven't done much the last two seasons but they have a lot of new talent and defence is much more solid. They've some serious momentum now. To be honest I'm sure they're delighted there's no real hype

Bar a win by 10 plus points for either team next week galway will be pretty much everyone's tip for the final. How they handle the favourite's tag will be interesting

People don't rate Cork due to a lot of the players being there the last couple of years and not performing. This year what Cork have is pace and a better work ethic together with the best distributor in the game in Nash.

Galway people after beating Tipp will be expecting Liam to be travelling west. The expectation will be huge and an all Ireland final has hype like no other match.

jr86

munsterlegend wrote: »

People don't rate Cork due to a lot of the players being there the last couple of years and not performing. This year what Cork have is pace and a better work ethic together with the best distributor in the game in .

as well as serious momentum. Very similar to 99 in a way. Like mushrooms and all that!

Mahony0509

As a Cork fan I don't fear Galway at all. Fairly certain Damian Cahalane could handle Joe Canning no bother, he hates being physically challenged. The player to avoid is the number 6 for Galway, Cork never go through the middle which helps massively.
Either way, Waterford is up first and I fully expect just as good a game as today.

Condenser

jr86 wrote: »

I still find it unusual that people keep talking down cork's chances

They did also beat tipp and in all fairness won Munster the hard way beating the three better sides of the remaining four

I know they haven't done much the last two seasons but they have a lot of new talent and defence is much more solid. They've some serious momentum now. To be honest I'm sure they're delighted there's no real hype

Bar a win by 10 plus points for either team next week galway will be pretty much everyone's tip for the final. How they handle the favourite's tag will be interesting

We'll see how Cork, if they beat Waterford, handle that teak tough Galway back six. Tipp have the best forwards in the country and played excellently today but the Galway back six were definitely getting the better of exchanges.

The tipp today was 2 levels above what we've seen from them all year but still lost to a Galway side with a misfiring forward line.

Cork will struggle to overcome the size disadvantage and Galway have the hurlers all over the pitch to match them for skill and speed. The big bonus for cork is their inate belief that they will win every all Ireland they play. Galway will suffer more from nerves due to the weight of history and recent past failures.

The Golden Miller

lawred2 wrote: »

Cork have a bit more steel about them? Wouldn't be so sure about that. We'll see I suppose.

But that Munster championship was full of dandy hurling with nobody laying a hand on each other. It will not be the same for whomever comes up against Galway in a final.

Cork are not a physical side.

By steel I mean a big team attitude to win when it matters when they are there or thereabouts quality wise.

Realt Dearg Sec

I dunno, Galway full back line looked iffy in the first half today I thought.

Condenser

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I dunno, Galway full back line looked iffy in the first half today I thought.

Look what they're marking. Two of the three full back line could be in for man of the match. Burke was excellent on Callanan and Touhy was absolutely fantastic today. Its not like they had to mind some mugs for 70 mins

willietherock

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I dunno, Galway full back line looked iffy in the first half today I thought.

Tuohy had a 'mere in the 1st half and Daithi Burke couldn't keep his feet. They were much better in the 2nd half. Hanbury was close to MOTM