All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Bonniedog

PTH2009 wrote: »

Odd question but is the premium type section open in the back of the lower Cusack for the semis ???

We were there for the league in March and it was pretty comfy

Is that the one down at hill end? Didn't even realise it existed until we got freebies for there a few years ago. It is much more relaxed than the other premium bars on big days.

PTH2009

Bonniedog wrote: »

Is that the one down at hill end? Didn't even realise it existed until we got freebies for there a few years ago. It is much more relaxed than the other premium bars on big days.

No but it's a pretty similar set up

Its very handy but can't get quite packed. A lot of families go there

Bonniedog

PTH2009 wrote: »

No but it's a pretty similar set up

Its very handy but can't get quite packed. A lot of families go there

Was there for a Dublin hurling/football double header and it was quieter than the feeding time at the zoo you see on the upper levels!

It's sure to be open for the rest of the games I'd say.

On subject of bars, going by the Hill on Saturday, the boycott of concessions by some Dublin supporters has been a bit of a flop.

A bit embarrassing, however, to see kids having flags taken off them while eijits standing around poking people with umbrellas!

dubcat51

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Love to see any of them scoring a point like Joe got yesterday!

have seen henry score many a pointt like that and better.many players have scored wonderfull points in big games.

PTH2009

Bonniedog wrote: »

Was there for a Dublin hurling/football double header and it was quieter than the feeding time at the zoo you see on the upper levels!

It's sure to be open for the rest of the games I'd say.

On subject of bars, going by the Hill on Saturday, the boycott of concessions by some Dublin supporters has been a bit of a flop.

A bit embarrassing, however, to see kids having flags taken off them while eijits standing around poking people with umbrellas!

Could they not get people to lay out the flags and security use a handheld scanner too scan them ???. We knw secuirty has to up there gsmr after last years Manchester attack but taking small flags off kids ???

dzer2

dubcat51 wrote: »

have seen henry score many a pointt like that and better.many players have scored wonderfull points in big games.

John Fentons goal back in the eighties

munsterlegend

dzer2 wrote: »

John Fentons goal back in the eighties

The Rock's point against Limerick was the best i ever saw. Unreal for a full back.

Canning is the best I have ever seen in the flesh. his ability to score points his second to none and I have never seen anyone hit a sideline cut like him.

BENDYBINN

dubcat51 wrote: »

have seen henry score many a pointt like that and better.many players have scored wonderfull points in big games.

Doubt it,to knock out the champions with seconds left on the clock out on the sideline with five tip lads coming at him best I ever seen.

MfMan

dubcat51 wrote: »

have seen henry score many a pointt like that and better.many players have scored wonderfull points in big games.

I've seen Canning score many better points than that too! (An effort tight on the sideline v Offaly late in the 2010 replay comes to mind). Context is important also though.

ShamoBuc

munsterlegend wrote: »

The Rock's point against Limerick was the best i ever saw. Unreal for a full back.

Canning is the best I have ever seen in the flesh. his ability to score points his second to none and I have never seen anyone hit a sideline cut like him.

I was at that match. We were still roaring on 'that' shoulder when the ball went over the bar, super stuff!

It is a real pity Canning didn't have more better players on his team like some of the other super hurlers in other counties. He would have played in way more semis and finals and we would surely have seen so much more. What we have seen, clearly illustrates how good he is and the fact that he is a real match winner. A wonderful striker of a ball, skill to burn and the sheer ability and audacity to score when he has no right to.

mullinr2

Look lads they are all great players. Who cares who is the greatest. We have been blessed to see them all in action - Joe Canning, Ollie Canning, Carey, Shefflin, Walsh, Delaney, Callinan, Kelly, Paudie Maher, Mullane, Ken McGrath, Paul Flynn and the list goes on

PTH2009

mullinr2 wrote: »

Look lads they are all great players. Who cares who is the greatest. We have been blessed to see them all in action - Joe Canning, Ollie Canning, Carey, Shefflin, Walsh, Delaney, Callinan, Kelly, Paudie Maher, Mullane, Ken McGrath, Paul Flynn and the list goes on

They all get up the next day and do there day jobs. They do as much as the rugby and soccer lads

leestone

Strange question, but which section do season ticket holders get for the all Ireland finals?

I said

Just coming right after yesterday fcuk me some finish.It takes two to tango tipp showed why they're reigning AI champs great display from them.
Galway as ever while I felt they had tipps measure a draw was the most likely result as they couldn't back up a lot of chances to get clear by 4/5 points at any stage.
The heads never dropped at all they knew the job they had to do and although some were inconsistent at times kept battling right to the end something galway have lacked or been accused of in recent years when push comes to shove.
Mcinerney was immense in the 2nd halve JC was worthy of the winner although I must confess i though the game was going to pass him by in the 1st half(luckily it didn't)
At last there appears to be a belief and resolve to this galway team.

robbiezero

The Golden Miller wrote: »

And yet still didn't have the ability of Canning

That's a bit of a wide statement. In certain skills of the game e.g. in the air he would have been better than Canning.
Lot of nonsense being spouted about Canning since Sunday, undoubtedly one of the best strikers of the ball the game has ever seen, but has been anonymous plenty of times too and has often been comfortably marked out of games. One of the reasons for his and Galways resurgence is that they have found a way to play him that allows him to drop deep and drift into space and bring that enormous ball-striking talent to bear on the game, which they were unable to do using him in a conventional forward role.
He has been a joy to watch at times and undoubtedly one of the finest players of his generation, but I wouldn't have him as one of the "best ever".

keeponhurling

spideyman92 wrote: »

Thought Gleeson should have seen red after that charge out of goal and Tipp had a chance to equalise at the end which they put wide so I'm not sure I agree with the people saying Barry Kelly gave it all Galways way.

Interesting that some Tipp players and the County Board felt a bit hard done by the ref. It was also mentioned on the Sunday Game by Henry Shefflin who said it too.

As a neutral I didn't really see a lot wrong with the refereeing.
Glynn should have gotten a free in as he was fouled before his effort which was saved by Glesson. Also Gleeson a lucky boy not to get red.
There seemed to be an incident with Dwyer and Bonner Maher's helmet, but think the ref just didn;t see it.
What do other posters think, were Tipp hard done by?

leestone

keeponhurling wrote: »

Interesting that some Tipp players and the County Board felt a bit hard done by the ref. It was also mentioned on the Sunday Game by Henry Shefflin said it too.

As a neutral I didn't really see a lot with the refereeing.
Glynn should have gotten a free in as he was fouled before his effort which was saved by Glesson. Also Gleeson a lucky boy not to get red.
There seemed to be an incident with Dwyer and Bonner Maher's helmet, but think the ref just didn;t see it.
What do other posters think, were Tipp hard done by?

If Tipp can say that then Galway can say they were hard by the ref in 2001 final when the ref clearly was biased against Joe Rabbitte.

lawred2

keeponhurling wrote: »

Interesting that some Tipp players and the County Board felt a bit hard done by the ref. It was also mentioned on the Sunday Game by Henry Shefflin who said it too.

As a neutral I didn't really see a lot wrong with the refereeing.
Glynn should have gotten a free in as he was fouled before his effort which was saved by Glesson. Also Gleeson a lucky boy not to get red.
There seemed to be an incident with Dwyer and Bonner Maher's helmet, but think the ref just didn;t see it.
What do other posters think, were Tipp hard done by?

Galway were awarded over twice as many frees as Tipperary. Did you watch the game and think that Tipperary were twice as offensive in the tackle as Galway?

I wouldn't think too many did. In fact most people would probably have thought that both teams gave as good as they got. It was a great physical battle. However I think the count was something like 18 to 8.

Over twice as many frees is a bit of an inexplicable discrepancy.

Also Tipp could very strongly argue for a free for over carrying at the death - instead a free out went to Galway which led to Canning's sublime winner. Also Canning scored from a sideline which was the result of a Tipp lad (was it Bonner Maher?) being on the receiving end of a frontal charge - should have been a free one way instead of a sideline given to Galway. Bonner Maher's helmet being pulled off was not seen by a ref, a linesman and an umpire. Should have been a free in. I'd say Tadgh De Burca is far from impressed with how that situation was wholly ignored.

Small things but in a game of margins - crucial things.

I suppose Gleeson could have got a red card but I'd say you'd go a decade of championship hurling and not see a red card for what happened. It wasn't a stamp as some people claimed and stopping a 'goal scoring' opportunity is not a thing like it is in soccer - so calling for a red card there is a bit weak in the context of hurling.

It's for the record books now anyway. Complaining about a referee's performance is ultimately pointless. Personally I hope Galway go on to seal the deal. Would be great scenes.

Robson99

leestone wrote: »

If Tipp can say that then Galway can say they were hard by the ref in 2001 final when the ref clearly was biased against Joe Rabbitte.

Exactly not to mention John Denton in 89.
Some others complaining that the free count was 18 -8. Maybe there was a reason for that. Ref was fine Sunday. Made a couple of mistakes both sides but balanced out. Gleeson was lucky. No attempt what so ever to play the ball

lawred2

Robson99 wrote: »

Exactly not to mention John Denton in 89.
Some wrestler complaining that the free count was 18 -8. Maybe there was a reason for that. Ref was fine Sunday. Made a couple of mistakes both sides but balanced out. Gleeson was lucky. No attempt what so ever to play the ball

Was that aimed at myself?

Robson99

lawred2 wrote: »

Galway were awarded over twice as many frees as Tipperary. Did you watch the game and think that Tipperary were twice as offensive in the tackle as Galway?

I wouldn't think too many did. In fact most people would probably have thought that both teams gave as good as they got. It was a great physical battle. However I think the count was something like 18 to 8.

Over twice as many frees is a bit of an inexplicable discrepancy.

Also Tipp could very strongly argue for a free for over carrying at the death - instead a free out went to Galway which led to Canning's sublime winner. Also Canning scored from a sideline which was the result of a Tipp lad (was it Bonner Maher?) being on the receiving end of a frontal charge - should have been a free one way instead of a sideline given to Galway. Bonner Maher's helmet being pulled off was not seen by a ref, a linesman and an umpire. Should have been a free in. I'd say Tadgh De Burca is far from impressed with how that situation was wholly ignored.

Small things but in a game of margins - crucial things.

I suppose Gleeson could have got a red card but I'd say you'd go a decade of championship hurling and not see a red card for what happened. It wasn't a stamp as some people claimed and stopping a 'goal scoring' opportunity is not a thing like it is in soccer - so calling for a red card there is a bit weak in the context of hurling.

It's for the record books now anyway. Complaining about a referee's performance is ultimately pointless. Personally I hope Galway go on to seal the deal. Would be great scenes.

So the ref should keep the free count fairly similar in the interest of fairness????? Thats not having a go at you but he seemed fairly even with what was a free and what's not
Breen got a perfect hit from JC. No foul in it. Same as Mahers hit on JC last year in practically the same area. Karma
Helmet pull off was accidental and in fact one of the other Tipp forwards hadn't even his strap closed in the same caption. In fairness to Bonner Maher he made nothing of it unlike the whingy Wexford player. Admire Maher for that

Robson99

lawred2 wrote: »

Was that aimed at myself?

No. Had it posted before I read yours

lawred2

Robson99 wrote: »

So the ref should keep the free count fairly similar in the interest of fairness????? Thats not having a go at you but he seemed fairly even with what was a free and what's not
Breen got a perfect hit from JC. No foul in it. Same as Mahers hit on JC last year in practically the same area. Karma
Helmet pull off was accidental and in fact one of the other Tipp forwards hadn't even his strap closed in the same caption. In fairness to Bonner Maher he made nothing of it unlike the whingy Wexford player. Admire Maher for that

Yeah that's not really what I said at all is it? In the context of Sunday's game did you consider Tipperary to have been over twice as offensive in the tackle than Galway?

Although I think I know how you're going to answer.

Doesn't matter if the helmet being pulled off is accidental. It's in the rules as an automatic red card.

I don't agree with that rule myself - I think there should be some discretion but that's the rule. Not even a free was awarded. I'm not sure what Bonner making anything of it has anything to do with anything - frees shouldn't be awarded on the strength of the player's appeal or whinging as you put it. As it was he had no option but to get on with it.

cathal99h

lawred2 wrote: »

Doesn't matter if the helmet being pulled off is accidental. It's in the rules as an automatic red card.

That's actually incorrect.
The rule states: "To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent, including to deliberately pull on, take hold of a faceguard or any other part of an opponent’s helmet"

So, it actually does matter if it being pulled off was accidental.
To me, the ref made the correct decision; accidental helmet grab, stopped the play because the game cannot continue if anyone is not wearing a helmet. Got the player to fix his helmet, continued play.

lawred2

cathal99h wrote: »

That's actually incorrect.
The rule states: "To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent, including to deliberately pull on, take hold of a faceguard or any other part of an opponent’s helmet"

So, it actually does matter if it being pulled off was accidental.
To me, the ref made the correct decision; accidental helmet grab, stopped the play because the game cannot continue if anyone is not wearing a helmet. Got the player to fix his helmet, continued play.

I stand corrected on the letter of the law... (even if it is a little ambiguously worded)

Do you think Tipperary were generally speaking in the context of that game over twice as offensive in the tackle than Galway?

Robson99

lawred2 wrote: »

Yeah that's not really what I said at all is it? In the context of Sunday's game did you consider Tipperary to have been over twice as offensive in the tackle than Galway?

Although I think I know how you're going to answer.

Doesn't matter if the helmet being pulled off is accidental. It's in the rules as an automatic red card.

I don't agree with that rule myself - I think there should be some discretion but that's the rule. Not even a free was awarded. I'm not sure what Bonner making anything of it has anything to do with anything - frees shouldn't be awarded on the strength of the player's appeal or whinging as you put it. As it was he had no option but to get on with it.

So players can go around with the straps open and when one comes off with an arm over the shoulder or similar then its a red card... I think the rule is more defined than that.
Clearly the Wexford player brought it to the linesman attention and hence TDB got an unwarranted red. If Maher made a meal out of it its hard to know how the ref would have reacted. Look at Cooper sat evening rolling around as if he had been beheaded

Joe_ Public

Robson99 wrote: »

So players can go around with the straps open and when one comes off with an arm over the shoulder or similar then its a red card... I think the rule is more defined than that.
Clearly the Wexford player brought it to the linesman attention and hence TDB got an unwarranted red. If Maher made a meal out of it its hard to know how the ref would have reacted. Look at Cooper sat evening rolling around as if he had been beheaded

No real interest in wading into this debate, but I don't agree with that statement in bold. How do you know this is the case? Did the linesman himself admit to this? Why would he call for a red card on the mere say so of one player? Did he then lie to the referee and claim he had clearly seen it when in fact he hadn't?

From the footage we've seen, I think it's entirely plausible and most likely the linesman saw what he believed was a clear helmet pull. Whether a red card and suspension was then the correct decision is another matter entirely.

Robson99

Joe_ Public wrote: »

No real interest in wading into this debate, but I don't agree with that statement in bold. How do you know this is the case? Did the linesman himself admit to this? Why would he call for a red card on the mere say so of one player? Did he then lie to the referee and claim he had clearly seen it when in fact he hadn't?

From the footage we've seen, I think it's entirely plausible and most likely the linesman saw what he believed was a clear helmet pull. Whether a red card and suspension was then the correct decision is another matter entirely.

It looked from the replays shown that the Wexford player went to the linesman though maybe he had his mind made up anyway
What irritates me most in all this is the worst foul of the lot was the Wexford player completely trying to take TDB out of the American and it going unpunished
Then Gleeson takes Cooney out of it and gets away with a yellow card.
Them two offending incidents are worse than either helmet infringement

blue note

Joe_ Public wrote: »

No real interest in wading into this debate, but I don't agree with that statement in bold. How do you know this is the case? Did the linesman himself admit to this? Why would he call for a red card on the mere say so of one player? Did he then lie to the referee and claim he had clearly seen it when in fact he hadn't?

From the footage we've seen, I think it's entirely plausible and most likely the linesman saw what he believed was a clear helmet pull. Whether a red card and suspension was then the correct decision is another matter entirely.

It is strange that Waterford were in possession of the ball, he saw a Waterford player commit a red card offence and didn't signal for a free until the Wexford player went over to him. Unless of course he spoke to the ref but didn't signal with the flag? Possibly.

But I would say that he saw something out of the corner of his eye and when the Wexford player went over to him and he saw that the helmet was undone he convinced himself that he clearly saw deBurca pull on his faceguard. And now it's too late and he can't admit that he made a mistake.

That's what I honestly think happened. It makes more sense to me than deBurca actually pulling intentionally on the players faceguard. Of course I could be wrong.

I said

keeponhurling wrote: »

Interesting that some Tipp players and the County Board felt a bit hard done by the ref. It was also mentioned on the Sunday Game by Henry Shefflin who said it too.
Barry did enough for KK in the 2012 drawn game