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RIP Martin McGuinness
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FrancieBrady wrote: »It seems to be becoming a habit you guys can't avoid - shooting yourself in the foot - inadvertently calling attention to the gulf between how far republican communities have come and their loyalist counterparts in your efforts to point the finger at one side.
The whole mural project in Derry is focused on removing the provocative elements they had during the conflict.
Instead of noticing how this commemorative mural is devoid of 'RA symbolism and is instead an overt statement about peace and the tragedy of conflict/war you think instead of a cheap joke about Bobby Sands.
In your 'extensive' research take a look at the murals still proudly displayed in loyalist areas and get back to us about 'propaganda'.
*As far as I know she was the first child to die in Derry, if that is wrong, spit out why it wrong, it is too depressing to trawl through the names of civillian children killed on any side.
Who?
Anyway, better to be shot in the foot than the knees
Btw, the murals, as statements whether political, social or cultural, have always impressed me - even if the sentiment in a lot of them, especially the loyalist ones, are viscerally objectionable.
Btw, I take it the answer to my original question is 'no' - given the amount of distraction that has gone on since I asked it.0 -
Who?
Anyway, better to be shot in the foot than the knees
Btw, the murals, as statements whether political, social or cultural, have always impressed me - even if the sentiment in a lot of them, especially the loyalist ones, are viscerally objectionable.
Btw, I take it the answer to my original question is 'no' - given the amount of distraction that has gone on since I asked it.
I think somebody who would use the death of a child, no matter how long ago it was, to make a joke and then try to cheaply and sadistically capitalise on it again to be frankly in need of some help.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »I think somebody who would use the death of a child, no matter how long ago it was, to make a joke and then try to cheaply and sadistically capitalise on it again to be frankly in need of some help.
Well, if you want to interpret as a joke, be my guest - personally I saw it as a joke at Bobby Sands' expense.....and I'm getting enough help at the moment 0 -
Well, if you want to interpret as a joke, be my guest - personally I saw it as a joke at Bobby Sands' expense.....and I'm getting enough help at the moment
Yeh, you seem to like making jokes about the dead of one side and it isn't important to you whose memory you defile.
Carry on Jawgap, you will soon have no feet left.0 -
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The mural is of Annette McGavigan and you did make a joke of Annette McGavigan. No amount of smileys is going to change that for you.Well, if you want to interpret as a joke, be my guest - personally I saw it as a joke at Bobby Sands' expense.....and I'm getting enough help at the moment0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »I would advise you just to leave it Jawgap. Seriously, not classy.
Well I never claimed to be classy
- classy where I'm from is using a spoon for your soup!
But yes, I understand why shinners like to shut down debate and discussion - it's there natural reaction to 'memory defilement' (as if memories can only ever be pure and singular) 0 -
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Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »The mural is of Annette McGavigan and you did make a joke of Annette McGavigan. No amount of smileys is going to change that for you.
No, I thought it was a Bobby Sands mural - that's why I asked about the skirt.
Until her name was mentioned I had no idea it was the Annette McGavigan so how could I have made a joke about her
Between this and the concept of "memory defilement" Shinners really are into the whole concept of thought crime........0 -
Well I never claimed to be classy - classy where I'm from is using a spoon for your soup!
But yes, I understand why shinners like to shut down debate and discussion - it's there natural reaction to 'memory defilement' (as if memories can only ever be pure and singular)
Well, forgive me for thinking that the memory of a child is still pure and singular (she was an innocent child)
No Jawgap, you used an image that everyone could see was a young girl and made a cheap connection to an image of a hunger striker in his last days.
Now you want to deflect to other issues you say you were trying to raise.
You weren't. Full stop.
And no, I don't want to debate the extra issues you subsequently raised to deflect from your revealing gaff.
Start a new thread if you want to 'debate and discuss'.0 -
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No, I thought it was a Bobby Sands mural - that's why I asked about the skirt.
Until her name was mentioned I had no idea it was the Annette McGavigan so how could I have made a joke about her
Between this and the concept of "memory defilement" Shinners really are into the whole concept of thought crime........
Let me get this straight.
You thought there was a mural, of Bobby Sands, wearing a skirt, on Free Derry Corner.
C'mon now.0 -
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Well, not the first time I'ever been found out to completely unoriginal, given I wasn't the first one to make a joke on this thread.......
......but once again we find Shinners are selective in their outrage :rolleyes:
I had no idea what that post meant at the time and still don't tbh.
Keep deflecting Jawgap.
Sometimes it is better just to apologise or even delete the post.
* It is always evident that Jawgap has boxed himself into a corner when he starts using the 'Shinner' tag. Priceless really.
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Alf Stewart. wrote: »Let me get this straight.
You thought there was a mural, of Bobby Sands, wearing a skirt, on Free Derry Corner.
C'mon now.
Well I dind't know it was Free Derry Corner (how would I from the photo?) - I do now having gone off and read a bit about the mural.
Why wouldn't Sands be celebrated in vicinity of Free Derry Corner anyway? I'm sure there's some tribal reason that makes perfect sense up there, but totally defies logic for any other society that has progress beyond 1800.0 -
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inreresting, as i got a pm and a wrap on the knuckles for useing that term, does the same justice apply to allFrancieBrady wrote: »I had no idea what that post meant at the time and still don't tbh.
Keep deflecting Jawgap.
Sometimes it is better just to apologise or even delete the post.
* It is always evident that Jawgap has boxed himself into a corner when he starts using the 'Shinner' tag. Priceless really.0 -
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