RIP Martin McGuinness

thee glitz

Former Deputy First Minister of NI Martin McGuinness has died. May he RIP.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/

Fiery mutant

He has done a lot of good that some people won't give recognition for. RIP.

tomwaterford

RIP


Worked for the better good of the country upto a matter of weeks before he died


He had no retirement

bnt

Just popped up on the BBC too. He sure went downhill fast.

Autonomous Cowherd

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/former-deputy-first-minister-of-northern-ireland-martin-mcguinness-has-died-35550616.html

It's sad. I don't know much about him, in truth, the doings of his earlier years, I mean, but thought that in the latter part of his life he strove tirelessly to be a peacemaker and force for good in an entrenched place.

retalivity

Rip mairtin, worked hard for peace in his later years and for derry all his life

Now watch the DUP make a complete mess of being respectful in his passing.

Witchie

Rest in the peace that you gained for us. Thank you Mr McGuinness.

It has been one rough week for the Donegal/Derry area. Danielle McLoughlin being murdered in Goa, Ryan McBride dying so young and now Martin McGuinness. So very sad for all their families and friends but also sad for our country to have lost such a hardworking man to whom we owe so much.

iDave

For those who see things in black and white his life was the awkward grey that challenges us all.

RIP to him

LordSutch

A life of two half's. The latter half should be seen in a positive light, in that it was a shift towards politics & peace. Sixty six is too young for anybody to die nowadays!

PS; no need for that comment No 8.

The_Valeyard

RIP


Definitely a Saul on the road to Damascus change in his life.

Did great work for the peace process and the love branch to Unionists.

Controversial past, but history will judge that.


RIP

Sciprio

He always stood out and was never as backward as some of the opposition he was facing. What sucks now is you'll read about many pepple gloating about his death on various media especially abroad. RIP Mr. Guinness. You served your people well.

Mint Sauce

Very interesting contrasts on Facebook. London's Evening Standard followers are all good riddance, murdering bastard, etc etc. The Journal, is all mostly praise for him.

Growing up in London, especially in the 90's, IRA threats were an often occurrence, and weather or not Mr McGuinness was directly involved, ie. pulling the trigger, either then or back in heights of the troubles in NI in the 80s, the work he has did tirelessly for the peace process since, and his popularity during the most recent presidential elections, has shown I think the change in people's views of him.

RIP Martin McGuinness.

Mr.Crinklewood

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Always HAS to be one in AH....?

Sometimes it's best to check some posters previous posts to determine if they deserve a reply. (Test it yourself on this person )

I was going to reply to the OP, after checking their history I chose not to.

Blazer

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Always HAS to be one in AH....?

I have no time for Sinn Fein and especially the lying piece of **** Adams, but you have to give McGuinness credit for being forward looking and willing to move on for the sake of the peace process. That fact that he never denied his involvement in the IRA stands to him and demonstrated that all is not black or white when it comes to people.
You only have to see the impact the peace process has done as regards other terrorist organisations such as FARC and ETA who have finally recognised that the policital process is the way forward towards peace and their goals and this is in no small part to people like McGuiness, Hume and Major.
Yes the IRA still exists but nowadays they're really only the Neanderthal scum who only care about lining their pockets from drug dealers etc.
RIP Martin McGuinness

Noddyholder

RIP, A statesman in every sense of the word.

Autonomous Cowherd

I grew up safe in the south, as I think many commenting on here did, where there was no occupation, no soldiers on the streets. I lived north of the border for a while before the Peace Process, and saw the heavy pervasive machinery of occupation and felt the threat of guerrilla terrorism, of which I am no supporter. But i know that my good brothers might have taken up arms had they lived in Derry in the 70s, so I cannot in all honesty deny that i recognise part of my soul in the Republican Martin McGuinness. What he did later, working with Ian Paisley (often joyfully, it seemed), managing to rub along with Peter Robinson, shaking the Queen's hand, the symbol of the forces who had killed his fellow city men, chiseling out peace in a land where neighbours loathed each other not so long ago, was brave and symbolic and powerful.

Tipsy McSwagger

You have to laugh at the British establishment being interviewed and calling McGuiness a coward and a murderer when the Brits were sending death squads to NI to murder innocent Catholics. McGuinness must have done something right to upset so many horrible people who were stuck up Thatchers hole.

Tipsy McSwagger

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You have to laugh at the British establishment being interviewed and calling McGuiness a coward and a murderer...

Link?

steddyeddy

He was honest about his past, he brought more of the more hardline republicans into the peace process and he made a lot of efforts to reach out to the unionist community. History will judge him kindly and I bet we'll be surprised at the people coming out of the woodwork to give him praise. Don't forget Nelson Mandela led a bombing campaign, was called a terrorist and later acted as a peacemaker.

Tipsy McSwagger

Deleted User wrote: »

Link?

Lord Tibbett or whatever his name is was just on GMB


-edit - in fairness his wife was crippled by a bomb so understandable he hates MM

ThisRegard

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Always HAS to be one in AH....?

While I don't agree with how he put it, his point is correct given how the other death threads mentioned went.

lawred2

Genuinely saddened by this

RIP Martin

Tipsy McSwagger

https://twitter.com/joberry9/status/844086745322938368

R P McMurphy

Slan Martin, ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam

Ferrari3600

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Always HAS to be one in AH....?

Oh, there'll be more than one, I can assure you. Look on the bright side, it gives one an indication of how to put on one's block list. There is no reasoning with the Cruiserite foaming-at-the-mouth brigade.

Jawgap

Terrorist, murdering scumbag?

Yeah, definitely - but he always struck me as someone you could trust - that if he gave his word he'd honour it.

He also struck me as one of the very few politicians on the island who had some core of truth about him - whether you agreed with his central beliefs or not at least you could guarantee he'd remain faithful to them and not ditch them for reasons of political expediency........unlike the rest of the slieveens in his party.

He'll be lionised beyond what is both decent and right, but I'd say the Irish political landscape just became a lot duller for his passing.

FrancieBrady

RIP Martin, worked unselfishly and tirelessly for lasting peace all his life and achieved it.
A huge miss.

Annasopra

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You have to laugh at the British establishment being interviewed and calling McGuiness a coward and a murderer when the Brits were sending death squads to NI to murder innocent Catholics. McGuinness must have done something right to upset so many horrible people who were stuck up Thatchers hole.

Huh? What are you talking about?

steddyeddy

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Huh? What are you talking about?

Well I live in England and some of the papers are making vile comments TBH.

Annasopra

His early life and the IRA campaigns were reprehensible but his achievements in working towards peace and working alongside his foes to achieve that are admirable. His warm personal relationship with Ian Paisley humanised Paisley.

LordSutch

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Lord Tibbett or whatever his name is was just on GMB

-edit - in fairness his wife was crippled by a bomb so understandable he hates MM

Well indeed most of us hated MMG with a passion (back then) in the former half of his life . . . but that was then.

FTA69

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Huh? What are you talking about?

Norman Tebitt was on Twitter whinging about him. I imagine you'll have a few in the British gutter Press as well up to the same.

FrancieBrady

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

His early life and the IRA campaigns were reprehensible but his achievements in working towards peace and working alongside his foes to achieve that are admirable. His warm personal relationship with Ian Paisley humanised Paisley.

When he began his public life Irish people were living in oppression and inequality when he died they were in joint government and had full equality. That is a massive achievement.

Like any soldier or general you could view their times carrying out violence in isolation I suppose.
Do you do that with all soldiers?

steddyeddy

FTA69 wrote: »

Norman Tebitt was on Twitter whinging about him. I imagine you'll have a few in the British gutter Press as well up to the same.

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

jimgoose

You mightn't necessarily agree with where he came from, but where he ended up going, and - with a little help - bringing others, was rather impressive. I thought well of his last political act, to wit making it quite clear where "Chuckles" Foster could hide her Thermos. RIP Yer Maun.

FTA69

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

Stop they'd break your heart at times. Most of them regard the British Empire as a benign or even positive thing, they haven't a bloody clue.

smelly sock

Rip big man. He done what needed to be done at different times.

Peace maker.

AudreyHepburn

While I can't condone the things he was involved with in his early years I do recognize and commend his work for peace later on. I also view it as a form of atonement for him, and Paisely etc for that matter.

I just wish people would take off their rose tinted glasses and see both sides of the man, not just the one of recent years. Praise his work for peace all you want but don't let it cloud over the heinous events he was involved in during his youth.

RIP Martin.

A few posters seem to be hijacking his death to vent anti British sentiment.

Lord Tebbit is not a spokesperson for "the Establishment". And as McGuinness was part of an organisation that tried to blow him up, and put his wife in wheelchair, it's laughable that people expect him to be nice about it.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

Considering Norman tebbit and his wife were both injured in the Brighton bombing, I'd cut him some slack here.
Not sure i could ever forgive anyone involved in an organisation that did that to me.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

In Martin's memory I intend to enjoy the bitterness with a wry smile.
The press of a nation - with one of the world's most belligerent and violent history's and that is still engaged in violent swaggering to achieve it and others aims - having a problem with a part of the life of Martin McGuinness is a true joy to behold.

selwyn froggitt

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

If you have so much distain for them, why don't you do yourself a favour and **** off back to Ireland then.

Everyones a winner.

ThisRegard

FTA69 wrote: »

Norman Tebitt was on Twitter whinging about him. I imagine you'll have a few in the British gutter Press as well up to the same.

Well he was caught up and trapped in the rubble after the Brighton bombing.

Bubbaclaus

A true Irish patriot.

RIP

smelly sock

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Nobody that wasn't living in the north at the time can understand what was going on.

Paratroopers murdering peaceful civil rights campaigners. A police force colluding with unionists. Catholics unable to gain employment.

People like Martin mcguinnes were needed.

FrancieBrady

smelly sock wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Nobody that wasn't living in the north at the time can understand what was going on.

Paratroopers murdering peaceful civil rights campaigners. A police force colluding with unionists. Catholics unable to gain employment.

People like Martin mcguinnes were needed.

You can understand it like any conflict/war. All you need is open eyes and mind and the facts.

AudreyHepburn

smelly sock wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Nobody that wasn't living in the north at the time can understand what was going on.

Paratroopers murdering peaceful civil rights campaigners. A police force colluding with unionists. Catholics unable to gain employment.

People like Martin mcguinnes were needed.

None of that in any way justifies planting bombs under innocent people, dragging British policemen out a car and beating them to death in front the media just because they drove the wrong through a funeral, kidnapping innocent young men, and one mother of ten, killing and burying them in unknown graves not be found for decades or the many other horrific things the IRA did and still do.

There's no point pretending atrocities didn't take place on BOTH sides of the Troubles, it does no-one any favors.

AudreyHepburn

Deleted User wrote: »

A few posters seem to be hijacking his death to vent anti British sentiment.

Lord Tebbit is not a spokesperson for "the Establishment". And as McGuinness was part of an organisation that tried to blow him up, and put his wife in wheelchair, it's laughable that people expect him to be nice about it.

This is what worries me about the reaction McGuinness's passing - people are just short of hero worshiping him and seem to think it's acceptable to turn a blind eye to the horrific things he was involved in.

They then lambaste anyone who dares to see McGuinness as anything but a modern day Michael Collins fighting for Irish freedom.

Double Standards of the highest order imo

steddyeddy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A few posters seem to be hijacking his death to vent anti British sentiment.

Lord Tebbit is not a spokesperson for "the Establishment". And as McGuinness was part of an organisation that tried to blow him up, and put his wife in wheelchair, it's laughable that people expect him to be nice about it.

I live in England Conor. I didn't see the Tebbit interview but I have to listen to uneducated Englanders with one side of the conflict in mind.

In May 1996, the Sunday World newspaper published a series of candid holiday photographs showing [Sammy] Wilson and his girlfriend naked. Wilson subsequently sued the paper for damages, which were settled out of court. After the incident, Martin McGuinness of Sinn Féin addressed the Northern Ireland Assembly by saying "It is also very good to come across someone like Mr Sammy Wilson, whom I have never met, and it is great to see him today with his clothes on." [7](Source)

hehe. Go ndéana Dia grásta air.

Junkyard Tom

The Father of one of the kids killed in that horrific bombing in Warrington was interviewed on BBC Radio about MMcG (who actually went to Warrington to speak to the people there) and had a much more conciliatory tone than Norman Tebbit.

Here is a bit more from Colin Parry whose son Tim died in a IRA bomb in Warrington in 1993.

“I don’t forgive the IRA, nor does my wife, nor do my children,” he told the BBC. “But, setting aside forgiveness, the simple fact is I found Martin McGuinness an easy and pleasant man to talk to – a man who I believe was sincere in his desire for peace, for maintaining the peace process at all costs.

“And I think he deserves great credit for his most recent life rather than more than his earlier life, for which I don’t think anything in his most recent life can atone. That said, he was still a brave man, who put himself at some risk within some elements of his own community in Northern Ireland.”

theguardian.com