Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

enzo roco

Fuzzytrooper wrote: »

Boo. The title changes cheesy as they may be are what AH should be. Now if I could only find my Atari Jaguar...

Well according to another thread AH is not a place for jokes.
And brexit is nothing to joke. Some people in this thread are insane.


Breixt: Blast it with Piss

enzo roco

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Actually I found today's quite good.

Pay no heed to the haters mod. You be you!

Well as per usual, many love to lick the inside of a mod's horrible hairy ****ty crusty anus... Get your tongue out of there.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

In my hypothetical conference there is no direct threat to sovereignty either. Just a forum to synergize a piece of foreign policy after the British PM raised the possibility of Ireland rejoining the UK.

No harm in dialogue right? It would be bigoted to refuse dialogue after all.

Doesnt the fact you have to invent a preposterous notion tell you something here?

If it was a century held aspiration that everyone knew about and there was a value in a united cohesive approach to a crisis to be found, why wouldn't he attend?

The UUP aren't getting in a huff and are attending and they heard Enda as loud as Arlene did.

Iwasfrozen

enzo roco wrote: »

Well as per usual, many love to lick the inside of a mod's horrible hairy ****ty crusty anus... Get your tongue out of there.

If you knew how many infractions I had you wouldn't say that.

I don't have any particular sycophantic tendencies towards mods I just find the title charges mildly funny and see no need for the hate. Certainly no need to put other people down.

Is that OK with you your Majesty?

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Doesnt the fact you have to invent a preposterous notion tell you something here?

If it was a century held aspiration that everyone knew about and there was a value in a united cohesive approach to a crisis to be found, why wouldn't he attend?

The UUP aren't getting in a huff and are attending and they heard Enda as loud as Arlene did.

It's a thought experiment to turn the tables.

To test of your position is balanced it's helpful to inverse the situation and ask how that logic would stand up.

So you do believe he should attend? Oh jolly good then. "Is maith sinn, Ms. PM" "Smashing Mr. PM"

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's a thought experiment to turn the tables.

To test of your position is balanced it's helpful to inverse the situation and ask how that logic would stand up.

So you do believe he should attend? Oh jolly good then.

I gave you my answer, if there is no threat to sovereignty and there was a crisis approaching then he should attend.
The UUP are attending, they see no problem.

Crisis time for somebody who favours progressive unionism (allegedly) but again he comes down on Arlene's side......hmmmmm I say.

Grayson

So the UK has told Nissan that they will fight to get access to the single market for cars

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/30/nissan-eu-tariff-free-brexit-sunderland

I guess the rest of the financial benefits they gave Nissan outweigh access to the single market because the EU have made it clear they can't get benefits like single market access without accepting the rest.

Grayson

enzo roco wrote: »

Is it just me or is the mod that changes this thread's name everyday very very unfunny??? Such a wreck the head.

Please stop trying to be a comedian, you are failing. Thanks.

It's just you.

Ted111

Brexit is Brexit. Is Brexit.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I gave you my answer, if there is no threat to sovereignty and there was a crisis approaching then he should attend.
The UUP are attending, they see no problem.

Crisis time for somebody who favours progressive unionism (allegedly) but again he comes down on Arlene's side......hmmmmm I say.

1. There is a threat to sovereignty, particularly after Kenny's comments.

2. There is nothing inherently progressive or regressive about attending or refusing to attend this conference.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

1. There is a threat to sovereignty, particularly after Kenny's comments.

2. There is nothing inherently progressive or regressive about attending or refusing to attend this conference.

Where is the threat to sovereignty? And how come the UUP didn't spot it?

The aspiration to unite the island is a legitimate one and enshrined in the GFA

P.s the bigoted playing to the gallery is regressive.

Christy42

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's a thought experiment to turn the tables.

To test of your position is balanced it's helpful to inverse the situation and ask how that logic would stand up.

So you do believe he should attend? Oh jolly good then. "Is maith sinn, Ms. PM" "Smashing Mr. PM"

The situation is not the inverse. Anyone suggesting that the UK parliament be in Glasgow would be laughed off. Yet that is the "inverse" of what the Scots have according to you.

Your inverse, like the one I propose misses out on a load of the key details and so is not the same at all. There will be all British Isles conferences held the Mr Kenny will attend which would be a more direct inverse. Thesee will be of a similar nature to the all Ireland conference proposed and not simply talk about uniting the countries under Dublin/London.

An all Ireland conference would not be solely about uniting Ireland but it could help with some of the issues the British are intent on causing at the border. Of course the unionists will simply blame someone else after they attempt to do nothing but make the problem worse and the problem gets worse.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where is the threat to sovereignty? And how come the UUP didn't spot it?

The aspiration to unite the island is a legitimate one and enshrined in the GFA

P.s the bigoted playing to the gallery is regressive.

I've explained this in my long post.

The threat to sovereignty comes through the passive acceptance of Kenny's comments that a UI would be on the table during Brexit negotiations. The onus is on unionists to send a very clear signal to Ireland and the UK that a UI is not to be considered under any circumstance. This has to be an absolute red line issue.

I can't comment on what the UUP can or can't see. You'd have to ask them.

The aspiration to remain in the UK is also legitimate. Neither is more legitimate then the other. A rejection of one in.favor of the other is not bigoted.

Iwasfrozen

Christy42 wrote: »

The situation is not the inverse. Anyone suggesting that the UK parliament be in Glasgow would be laughed off. Yet that is the "inverse" of what the Scots have according to you.

Your inverse, like the one I propose misses out on a load of the key details and so is not the same at all. There will be all British Isles conferences held the Mr Kenny will attend which would be a more direct inverse. Thesee will be of a similar nature to the all Ireland conference proposed and not simply talk about uniting the countries under Dublin/London.

An all Ireland conference would not be solely about uniting Ireland but it could help with some of the issues the British are intent on causing at the border. Of course the unionists will simply blame someone else after they attempt to do nothing but make the problem worse and the problem gets worse.

The difference is Britain has no irredentist intent towards Ireland. But an attendance of the all Ireland conference after Kenny's comments would have been seen as a passive acceptance of Ireland's irredentist claims.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I've explained this in my long post.

The threat to sovereignty comes through the passive acceptance of Kenny's comments that a UI would be on the table during Brexit negotiations. The onus is on unionists to send a very clear signal to Ireland and the UK that a UI is not to be considered under any circumstance. This has to be an absolute red line issue.

I can't comment on what the UUP can PR can't see. You'd have to ask them.

The aspiration to remain in the UK is also legitimate. Neither is more legitimate then the other. A rejection of one in.favor of the other is not bigoted.

You can speak for the DUP but not the UUP and you favour progressive unionism (which implies there is a regressive unionism BTW) Mad Ted!

There was no threat to sovereignty or the UUP would not have attended or they are confident enough in their own politics to repudiate the notion if it arises.

A healthy situation demeaned by the rabble rousers who have once again isolated themselves because of bigotry and a belief in stagnant and regressive policies that depend on Paisley style belligerence.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The difference is Britain has no irredentist intent towards Ireland. But an attendance of the all Ireland conference after Kenny's comments would have been seen as a passive acceptance of Ireland's irredentist claims.

You invented an irredentist scenario for them in your nonsense analogy.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can speak for the DUP but not the UUP and you favour progressive unionism (which implies there is a regressive unionism BTW) Mad Ted!

There was no threat to sovereignty or the UUP would not have attended or they are confident enough in their own politics to repudiate the notion if it arises.

A healthy situation demeaned by the rabble rousers who have once again isolated themselves because of bigotry and a belief in stagnant and regressive policies that depend on Paisley style belligerence.

I don't speak for the DUP, I've offered you my opinion on why I think this was the right idea.

You can't say there was no threat to sovereignty or the UUP wouldn't have attended. Just because a particular party doesn't see something doesn't mean it isn't there

I don't favor isolationism but case every n point isolationism towards Ireland =/ isolationism. The world is much bigger than Ireland.

Grayson

Jesus, we should just have a NI thread that you guys can go and waffle on about. Over the last week actual brexit news has been swallowed up in this thread because of bickering about NI.

Politics in NI is bat**** crazy. It's rarely based on what is best economically for the place but rather based on narrow sectarian politics. This is true for both sides although I will say that republicans are slightly better than unionists. That's because republicans see "progression" as helping them. Trying to rationalise their politics is pointless for us since for them it is more often about point scoring against each other. And now it's turned into the same here. Arguing about tiny little crap trying to score points.

Rather than bring up who bombed/shot who 20 years ago we (and they) should be looking at the practical implications of brexit. Brexit is coming. We don't know what it is exactly just that it will bring big changes.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't speak for the DUP, I've offered you my opinion on why I think this was the right idea.

You can't say there was no threat to sovereignty or the UUP wouldn't have attended. Just because a particular party doesn't see something doesn't mean it isn't there

I don't favor isolationism but case every n point isolationism towards Ireland =/ isolationism. The world is much bigger than Ireland.

The person who claims to be a progressive unionist can't interpret the actions of the more progressive unionist party and decides instead to defend the actions of the DUP. Seen worldwide to be religiously bigoted ultra conservatives.

Keep digging them holes.

Anita Blow

Grayson wrote: »

So the UK has told Nissan that they will fight to get access to the single market for cars

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/30/nissan-eu-tariff-free-brexit-sunderland

I guess the rest of the financial benefits they gave Nissan outweigh access to the single market because the EU have made it clear they can't get benefits like single market access without accepting the rest.

I think this sums up nicely the negotiating positions of the EU and Britain. It's not the EU suffering markedly increased inflation, it's not the EU who has had its currency collapse, it's not the EU making sweetheart deals behind closed doors to stop businesses moving to the UK.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The person who claims to be a progressive unionist can't interpret the actions of the more progressive unionist party and decides instead to defend the actions of the DUP. Seen worldwide to be religiously bigoted ultra conservatives.

Keep digging them holes.

I never claimed to be a unionist. I'm not from the UK. I lamented the lack of a progressive unionist party.

The DUP are extreme social conservatives. Does that mean I can't agree with them on anything? Of course not.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I never claimed to be a unionist. I'm not from the UK. I lamented the lack of a progressive unionist party.

The DUP are extreme social conservatives. Does that mean I can't agree with them on anything? Of course not.

Sure.

FrancieBrady

Anita Blow wrote: »

I think this sums up nicely the negotiating positions of the EU and Britain. It's not the EU suffering markedly increased inflation, it's not the EU who has had its currency collapse, it's not the EU making sweetheart deals behind closed doors to stop businesses moving to the UK.

What is there to keep anyone in the EU if you can function outside taking advantage of all the beneficial stuff?

I don't get it at all.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is there to keep anyone in the EU if you can function outside taking advantage of all the beneficial stuff?

Control.

catbear

All that's happening is the nation that had the most opt-outs when it was in wants the most opt-ins while out.

The Rape of Lucretia

catbear wrote: »

All that's happening is the nation that had the most opt-outs when it was in wants the most opt-ins while out.

Tailormade European relationship in either case, to suit yourself rather than the one size fits all option. Looks like the British are the smart guys all along.

A Little Pony

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

In my hypothetical conference there is no direct threat to sovereignty either. Just a forum to synergize a piece of foreign policy after the British PM raised the possibility of Ireland rejoining the UK.

No harm in dialogue right? It would be bigoted to refuse dialogue after all.

Doesnt the fact you have to invent a preposterous notion tell you something here?

If it was a century held aspiration that everyone knew about and there was a value in a united cohesive approach to a crisis to be found, why wouldn't he attend?

The UUP aren't getting in a huff and are attending and they heard Enda as loud as Arlene did.

The UUP supported staying in the EU. Of course they will attend, the UUP needs to gain as much traction as possible right now seeing as the DUP are dominating the Unionist vote.

A Little Pony

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't speak for the DUP, I've offered you my opinion on why I think this was the right idea.

You can't say there was no threat to sovereignty or the UUP wouldn't have attended. Just because a particular party doesn't see something doesn't mean it isn't there

I don't favor isolationism but case every n point isolationism towards Ireland =/ isolationism. The world is much bigger than Ireland.

The person who claims to be a progressive unionist can't interpret the actions of the more progressive unionist party and decides instead to defend the actions of the DUP. Seen worldwide to be religiously bigoted ultra conservatives.

Keep digging them holes.

Most of the world probably doesn't know the DUP exist or give a sh*t about Northern Ireland. You flatter us too much.

tomwaterford

A Little Pony wrote: »

Most of the world probably doesn't know the DUP exist or give a sh*t about Northern Ireland. You flatter us too much.

The British certainly don't give a sh1t about the north.....they've no strategic interest there

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

The UUP supported staying in the EU. Of course they will attend, the UUP needs to gain as much traction as possible right now seeing as the DUP are dominating the Unionist vote.

A Little Pony wrote: »

Most of the world probably doesn't know the DUP exist or give a sh*t about Northern Ireland. You flatter us too much.

Oh dear, where to start.
The forum is not about support for the EU, it is about the consequences of leaving it.
The people who thought that was a marvellous idea for NI won't be there to give us their plan to survive it.

And I think it isn't brain of 'Britain' territory to work out I was talking about people around the world who know of the DUP and NI. :rolleyes: