Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And you have argued against every criticism of the decision or against those who promoted it and have railed against anyone voicing a negative implication.

Just what convinced you not to vote for Brexit?

I didn't vote because I don't have one.

If you mean why wouldn't I have voted for Brexit then simple, I believe in an interconnected globalist Europe, I value the freedom to live and work in any EU country and I fear Brexit will weaken an already unstable EU. Ultimately I don't want to see the European project fail but that's a very realistic scenario now.

steddyeddy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

oops

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/13/standard--poors-warns-on-uk-reserve-currency-status-as-brexit-ha/

They're fecked TBH.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I didn't vote because I don't have one.

If you mean why wouldn't I have voted for Brexit then simple, I believe in an interconnected globalist Europe, I value the freedom to live and work in any EU country and I fear Brexit will weaken an already unstable EU. Ultimately I don't want to see the European project fail but that's a very realistic scenario now.

And why one wonders would somebody who believes in an 'interconnected Europe' so trenchantly defend the bigoted isolationist Arlene Foster, whose actions may have contributed to your vision of a failed European project? i.e. Brexit.

You defend even to the point of positing the idea that nobody should dare mention the word 'reunification' around her even though it is supposed to be a long cherished aspiration of the party the man who mentioned it?

A Little Pony

swampgas wrote: »

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Both groups have said they don't want a hard border. That is a united front. What else do you want?

I, personally, don't really care. But in most other walks of life neighbours with common problems tend (at the very least) to discuss what can be done about it.

Letting the EU and UK make all the decisions about the future of NI seems a bit short-sighted, and not in NI's best interest either, tbh.

An unwillingness to even discuss an issue speaks volumes about the levels of suspicion and hostility that persist.

We have been suspicious of you lot for 400 years, not going to change any time soon. Arlene Foster is entitled to her view and as leader of the DUP she has decided not to attend, I don't blame her. Her voters certainly aren't in uproar about it.

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

We have been suspicious of you lot for 400 years, not going to change any time soon. Arlene Foster is entitled to her view and as leader of the DUP she has decided not to attend, I don't blame her. Her voters certainly aren't in uproar about it.

Her voters are knuckle draggers mate.

A Little Pony

steddyeddy wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

We have been suspicious of you lot for 400 years, not going to change any time soon. Arlene Foster is entitled to her view and as leader of the DUP she has decided not to attend, I don't blame her. Her voters certainly aren't in uproar about it.

Her voters are knuckle draggers mate.

Plenty of them, actually enough to make them the largest party in Stormont. I voted UUP last May.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And why one wonders would somebody who believes in an 'interconnected Europe' so trenchantly defend the bigoted isolationist Arlene Foster, whose actions may have contributed to your vision of a failed European project? i.e. Brexit.

You defend even to the point of positing the idea that nobody should dare mention the word 'reunification' around her even though it is supposed to be a long cherished aspiration of the party the man who mentioned it?

Arlene isn't pro isolationist. On the contrary she's a unionist.

By mentioning the prospect of unification before the all Ireland congress Kenny doomed it from the start. Even if she had been amicable to the idea (which I highly doubt) his negligence would have forced her to refuse.

A Little Pony

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And why one wonders would somebody who believes in an 'interconnected Europe' so trenchantly defend the bigoted isolationist Arlene Foster, whose actions may have contributed to your vision of a failed European project? i.e. Brexit.

You defend even to the point of positing the idea that nobody should dare mention the word 'reunification' around her even though it is supposed to be a long cherished aspiration of the party the man who mentioned it?

Arlene isn't pro isolationist. On the contrary she's a unionist.

By mentioning the prospect of unification before the all Ireland congress Kenny doomed it from the start. Even if she had been amicable to the idea (which I highly doubt) his negligence would have forced her to refuse.

If Enda Kenny mentioned unification then what an absolute naive fool. Should keep his nose out of NIs affairs frankly.

Junkyard Tom

Arlene's consumed by her pseudo-British nationalism and hatred of the notion that anything happens on an all Ireland basis - she's about as useful as Anne Frank's drum kit to the case of the northeast.

I hope the British screen all people travelling from Ireland as possible migrants. The thought of unionists having to prove their residency when they travel to Britain fills me with schadenfreude.

Anita Blow

A Little Pony wrote: »

If Enda Kenny mentioned unification then what an absolute naive fool. Should keep his nose out of NIs affairs frankly.

As long as NI is incapable of supporting itself and is dependent on funding from the south for infrastructure (such as that used to build the A5 and A8), Enda Kenny is more than entitled to have a say in the running of the region.

Iwasfrozen

Anita Blow wrote: »

As long as NI is incapable of supporting itself and is dependent on funding from the south for infrastructure (such as that used to build the A5 and A8), Enda Kenny is more than entitled to have a say in the running of the region.

Eh, no. That's not how that works.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

Plenty of them, actually enough to make them the largest party in Stormont. I voted UUP last May.

Her supporters are still idiots.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

Should keep his nose out of NIs affairs frankly.

Educate yourself.

North/South Ministerial Council

Article 3 of the Constitution of Ireland

It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland

A Little Pony

Anita Blow wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

If Enda Kenny mentioned unification then what an absolute naive fool. Should keep his nose out of NIs affairs frankly.

As long as NI is incapable of supporting itself and is dependent on funding from the south for infrastructure (such as that used to build the A5 and A8), Enda Kenny is more than entitled to have a say in the running of the region.

Sinn Fein has a mandate, that idiot certainly doesn't have one in NI. How is he still the taoiseach, and he earns nearly 200k!

A Little Pony

Grayson wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Plenty of them, actually enough to make them the largest party in Stormont. I voted UUP last May.

Her supporters are still idiots.

Why are they idiots? Are Sinn Fein voters idiots? They vote for what they believe in.

A Little Pony

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Should keep his nose out of NIs affairs frankly.

Educate yourself.

North/South Ministerial Council

Article 3 of the Constitution of Ireland

It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland

Not worth the paper it is written on. The Irish state gave up the claim to the land of Northern Ireland with the Belfast agreement.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

Not worth the paper it is written on. The Irish state gave up the claim to the land of Northern Ireland with the Belfast agreement.

It remains codified in the constitution. Also when the Assembly is suspended:

devolved matters revert to the Conference's remit. The latest meeting of the British Irish Intergovernmental Conference took place in Dundalk, 26 February 2007. The BIIGC guarantees the Government of Ireland a say in areas of bilateral co-operation and on those matters not yet devolved to the Northern Ireland Assembly or the North/South Ministerial Council.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British/Irish Intergovernmental Conference

You can pretend all you like that you live in some far off colony of Britain's in the 17th Century but you live in Ireland surrounded by Irish people and places with Irish derived names. You'll probably not have noticed the osmotic movement of workers, goods, services, sporting teams/fans, medical patients etc that happens more-and-more too that tends to blur that imaginary line somewhat. Even you can claim Irish citizenship. Yours is the mentality that, rather than push unification down the road, will help bring the date closer.

Well done.

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

If Enda Kenny mentioned unification then what an absolute naive fool. Should keep his nose out of NIs affairs frankly.

Unfortunately dude NI will always be our business whether you like it or not.

catbear

Ask any English person how'd they feel if France occupied Kent and they'd say its wrong. Same applies to the UK occupying ulster and that's that.

steddyeddy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Eh, no. That's not how that works.

Well actually it is.

RDM_83 again

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

oops

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/13/standard--poors-warns-on-uk-reserve-currency-status-as-brexit-ha/

So sterling stayed as a reserve currency even through an IMF bailout but Brexit is likely to knock it from it? Doesn't seem to make that much sense

Iwasfrozen

catbear wrote: »

Ask any English person how'd they feel if France occupied Kent and they'd say its wrong. Same applies to the UK occupying ulster and that's that.

If kent was inhabited by French people you'd have a point.

tomwaterford

A Little Pony wrote: »

Not worth the paper it is written on. The Irish state gave up the claim to the land of Northern Ireland with the Belfast agreement.

Sure if we're to ignore parts what don't suit us of the GFA can't the state reclaim ownership of the north???


Or does stupid logic only work when it suit's you??


Either way....much like Russia looked out for its citizens in Ukraine.....Ireland should look out for the 1 and 1/2 million people in the north who can claim irish citizenship

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If kent was inhabited by French people you'd have a point.

You do know almost everyone in the north is irish

Ergo born in ireland

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Sure if we're to ignore parts what don't suit us of the GFA can't the state reclaim ownership of the north???


Or does stupid logic only work when it suit's you??


Either way....much like Russia looked out for its citizens in Ukraine.....Ireland should look out for the 1 and 1/2 million people in the north who can claim irish citizenship

Funny you should mention that because Russia's ownership of Crimea has historical parralels with UK and Ireland.

Both lands were conquered by a powerful country and both were planted in the modern period with people from that country.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

You do know almost everyone in the north is irish

Ergo born in ireland

The GFA gives them the right to identify as Irish.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The GFA gives them the right to identify as Irish.

Well they are born in ireland.....this is hardly earth shattering news :pac: :pac:

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Funny you should mention that because Russia's ownership of Crimea has historical parralels with UK and Ireland.

Both lands were conquered by a powerful country and both were planted in the modern period with people from that country.

Funny you should ignore the more valid point of a million and half irish people being trapped in brexit worlD and the Irish state has a duty to look after their interests?

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Funny you should ignore the more valid point of a million and half irish people being trapped in brexit worlD and the Irish state has a duty to look after their interests?

That would be interfering in another country's democractic process.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Well they are born in ireland.....this is hardly earth shattering news :pac: :pac:

Only in the geographic sense. In a purely geographic sense they were also born in the wait for it.. "British Isles"

Oowwwwwohh... Scarier than 12 Halloweens.