Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not hard to do, if his family business trades along the border, he is likely seeing a good effect right now.
If his business is importing stock then it isn't hard to see an effect there too due to currency fluctuations.
I buy some stock from NI and was seeing some great value for a while but only this week the company upped it's prices because they buy their stock in Germany and the Netherlands and have warned of further increases. So not such a good effect there.

You do know that sterling has been lower than it is now, right? and that lots of businesses have not noticed any change at all.

I know it doesn't sit well with you, but the UK didn't suddenly fall in to deep recession the minute the referendum results were announced.

besides, as has already been said, you won't believe what he says any way.

steddyeddy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You do know that sterling has been lower than it is now, right? and that lots of businesses have not noticed any change at all.

I know it doesn't sit well with you, but the UK didn't suddenly fall in to deep recession the minute the referendum results were announced.

besides, as has already been said, you won't believe what he says any way.

Well when I asked I was asking about the unionist community. Not his family.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You do know that sterling has been lower than it is now, right? and that lots of businesses have not noticed any change at all.

I know it doesn't sit well with you, but the UK didn't suddenly fall in to deep recession the minute the referendum results were announced.

besides, as has already been said, you won't believe what he says any way.

Yes I do know that about sterling, I trade on the border after all. :rolleyes:

The recent falls in sterling are an 'effect of Brexit' i.e. Ordinarily they would not have fallen the way they have. Is that clear enough for you?

The poster said his family business has not seen any effect. I am interested in what this 'family business' does.

I am not sure (but can guess) why you are being so protective. It's a simple clarifying question.

steddyeddy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes I do know that about sterling, I trade on the border after all. :rolleyes:

The recent falls in sterling are an 'effect of Brexit' i.e. Ordinarily they would not have fallen the way they have. Is that clear enough for you?

The poster said his family business has not seen any effect. I am interested in what this 'family business' does.

I am not sure (but can guess) why you are being so protective. It's a simple clarifying question.

Well here's the answer. If it's unionist it's not likely a thriving economy.

Iwasfrozen

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sour grapes? About what? I'm on a decent wage and funded by the US government. My flatmate and some of my friends here are already struggling as it is. I think Brexit will make people who are already struggling a lot poorer.

Science in the UK will suffer and our industry will suffer from lack of new funds from the EU in 2020. I can move. Many people here cannot. I think that a lot of the UK's strengths will diminish if they go through with this. I hope they don't go through with this.

Soir grapes about Arlene refusing to attend the all Ireland conference. Why on earth would she?

Dyr

No sleep till brexit

swampgas

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Soir grapes about Arlene refusing to attend the all Ireland conference. Why on earth would she?

I dunno, maybe to promote and protect the interests of the people of NI?

Or is dialogue always a waste of time?

FrancieBrady

swampgas wrote: »

I dunno, maybe to promote and protect the interests of the people of NI?

Or is dialogue always a waste of time?

I think we can save ourselves a lot of pointless discussion and questioning.
The world and it's mother knows why Arlene went for a Brexit stance and why she won't countenance meeting on an all island basis.

But quietly she is ****ting herself and looking for 'special' treatment. :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

Bambi wrote: »

No sleep till brexit

the best one so far

Dyr

Fratton Fred wrote: »

the best one so far

Problem is that people will think the reference is no sleep till Brooklyn when's it's actually no sleep till brixton

catbear

swampgas wrote: »

I dunno, maybe to promote and protect the interests of the people of NI?

Or is dialogue always a waste of time?

The only thing Arlene is interested in is her communities union with the mother ship. Remember the DUP were against the GFA even though London signed up to it.

Do they really think London won't let them down again?

Iwasfrozen

swampgas wrote: »

I dunno, maybe to promote and protect the interests of the people of NI?

Or is dialogue always a waste of time?

What interests? Trade will be negotiated on the EU level.

R P McMurphy

catbear wrote: »

The only thing Arlene is interested in is her communities union with the mother ship. Remember the DUP were against the GFA even though London signed up to it.

Do they really think London won't let them down again?

Arlene would be completely out of her depth at a county council meeting. How she is left in the position of first minister is a mystery

Junkyard Tom

You'll say we've got nothing in common
No common ground to start from
And we're falling apart
You say the world has come between us
Our lives have come between us
Still I know you just don't care

So I said 'what about Brexit antipathies'
May said, 'I think I can handle it, thanks'
If I recall we both thought is wasn't a good thing?
She said, 'no that was just London's banks'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ClCpfeIELw

catbear

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Arlene would be completely out of her depth at a county council meeting. How she is left in the position of first minister is a mystery

Because when your party politics draws its base support from an attachment to a Britain that's betrayed you, then all your energy is spent shoring up the remnant believers.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What interests? Trade will be negotiated on the EU level.

A joint position on a border would make the forum worthwhile in itself.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A joint position on a border would make the forum worthwhile in itself.

There already is a joint position.

A Little Pony

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Yes, family business is fine. Not seen any difference.

Let's drill down into this.
What does the business do?
Where does it source stock/raw materials?

Local gardening business which involves concrete and ornaments etc.

A Little Pony

FrancieBrady wrote: »

swampgas wrote: »

I dunno, maybe to promote and protect the interests of the people of NI?

Or is dialogue always a waste of time?

I think we can save ourselves a lot of pointless discussion and questioning.
The world and it's mother knows why Arlene went for a Brexit stance and why she won't countenance meeting on an all island basis.

But quietly she is ****ting herself and looking for 'special' treatment. :rolleyes:

UUP went for remain. Maybe, just maybe she didn't agree with EU membership, like millions of other UK citizens. It isn't a conspiracy.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

There already is a joint position.

No there isn't.
There are similar statements about a 'hard border'.
There has been no discussion about what a border will be.

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

Local gardening business which involves concrete and ornaments etc.

And where are your raw materials/stock sourced?

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

UUP went for remain. Maybe, just maybe she didn't agree with EU membership, like millions of other UK citizens. It isn't a conspiracy.

She went for Brexit because she believed it wouldn't pass and she would have some petty political gain. She gambled and lost.
If she believed what you say, why would NI need special treatment.

Christy42

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And where are your raw materials/stock sourced?

As against Brexit as I am I fail to see what one business doing well or badly out of this proves.

The sterling has fallen so anyone that can supply their services to the south and source a reasonable amount of their materials from the UK will do fine. Any that are nearly entirely internal (i.e. nearly everything sold and bought in the UK) will do ok as long as they don't have a taste for foreign products in their personal lives or like foreign holidays too much as they should get a similar wage which is worth less abroad.
Anything with a heavy amount of materials sourced from abroad will do badly. Businesses will fit into all 3 categories.

A fall in the price of a currency isn't a bad thing itself for everyone. It is usually brought on by bad things happening but in this case it is still just the prediction of the bad thing happening.

His business doing fine after the referendum is very believable. Especially in the period before brexit.

R P McMurphy

catbear wrote: »

Because when your party politics draws its base support from an attachment to a Britain that's betrayed you, then all your energy is spent shoring up the remnant believers.

I was thinking more along the lines of her actual capabilities to hold the position she does. She is on the wrong side of mediocrity. Even lately. getting caught up in being accused of letting internet trolls shape policy regarding same sex marriage. I doubt that the criticism from people on twitter towards her actually had a hand in developing party policy but for her to say that it does and not be able to put forward a coherent argument shoes she is incapable of getting the basics right

FrancieBrady

Christy42 wrote: »

As against Brexit as I am I fail to see what one business doing well or badly out of this proves.

The sterling has fallen so anyone that can supply their services to the south and source a reasonable amount of their materials from the UK will do fine. Any that are nearly entirely internal (i.e. nearly everything sold and bought in the UK) will do ok as long as they don't have a taste for foreign products in their personal lives or like foreign holidays too much as they should get a similar wage which is worth less abroad.
Anything with a heavy amount of materials sourced from abroad will do badly. Businesses will fit into all 3 categories.

A fall in the price of a currency isn't a bad thing itself for everyone. It is usually brought on by bad things happening but in this case it is still just the prediction of the bad thing happening.

His businesgs doing fine after the referendum is very believable. Especially in the period before brexit.

He said his business had seen no difference.

catbear

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I was thinking more along the lines of her actual capabilities to hold the position she does. She is on the wrong side of mediocrity. Even lately. getting caught up in being accused of letting internet trolls shape policy regarding same sex marriage. I doubt that the criticism from people on twitter towards her actually had a hand in developing party policy but for her to say that it does and not be able to put forward a coherent argument shoes she is incapable of getting the basics right

She's pretty weak as a leader but do the DUP have anyone to replace her with. Jeffrey Donaldson seemed well focused on the economic importance of keeping the border free flowing.
I suspect if in power he would be more open to an all island discussion on the impact of Brexit without getting all thumpy about it.

Fratton Fred

Bambi wrote: »

Problem is that people will think the reference is no sleep till Brooklyn when's it's actually no sleep till brixton

This is probably more appropriate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4HRD01Qy5w

130Kph

Daily express Brexit headlines (a little paraphrased)

“May: Get us out of the EU before Halloween”
“Let’s get out now”
“Tomorrow is too late”

“Boris: I will get us out today – after I finish this bottle of Blue Nun”
“Redmond: I know how to get us out before 10pm”
“We’ll be out before the cock crows”

“all other 27 members want out: We’ve valiantly led the way”
“Hang the bre-moaners on Parliament Square”

It makes Russia Today look like a credible & respectable news agency :eek:

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No there isn't.
There are similar statements about a 'hard border'.
There has been no discussion about what a border will be.

What the border will be is a matter for the EU and the UK.

What do you want Foster and Kenny to do?

Iwasfrozen

catbear wrote: »

She's pretty weak as a leader but do the DUP have anyone to replace her with. Jeffrey Donaldson seemed well focused on the economic importance of keeping the border free flowing.
I suspect if in power he would be more open to an all island discussion on the impact of Brexit without getting all thumpy about it.

Again. Whether or not we have an open border is up to the EU and UK. Ireland give up those rights.