Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

swampgas

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What the border will be is a matter for the EU and the UK.

What do you want Foster and Kenny to do?

I suppose a united front against a hard border might be too much to ask? :pac:

Never mind - I can see that there is too much suspicion that a discussion on an issue where there is genuine common ground might lead to overnight reunification. Better to shut down any talks at all just in case.

Perhaps you would prefer a hard border after all?

Iwasfrozen

swampgas wrote: »

I suppose a united front against a hard border might be too much to ask? :pac:

Never mind - I can see that there is too much suspicion that a discussion on an issue where there is genuine common ground might lead to overnight reunification. Better to shut down any talks at all just in case.

Perhaps you would prefer a hard border after all?

Both groups have said they don't want a hard border. That is a united front. What else do you want?

A Dub in Glasgo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Both groups have said they don't want a hard border. That is a united front. What else do you want?

and how do you think a lack of hard border will come about?

swampgas

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Both groups have said they don't want a hard border. That is a united front. What else do you want?

I, personally, don't really care. But in most other walks of life neighbours with common problems tend (at the very least) to discuss what can be done about it.

Letting the EU and UK make all the decisions about the future of NI seems a bit short-sighted, and not in NI's best interest either, tbh.

An unwillingness to even discuss an issue speaks volumes about the levels of suspicion and hostility that persist.

FrancieBrady

swampgas wrote: »

I suppose a united front against a hard border might be too much to ask? :pac:

Never mind - I can see that there is too much suspicion that a discussion on an issue where there is genuine common ground might lead to overnight reunification. Better to shut down any talks at all just in case.

Perhaps you would prefer a hard border after all?

It has nothing to do with 'suspicion' it has everything to do with bigotry and playing to the unionist gallery.
She thought it wouldn't pass and took a contrary position to SF.
When that went tits up she hotfooted it to Westminster pleading for special treatment.
Now she is playing to the unionist bigots again probably to survive politically. There many a unionist farmer and businessman still reeling from the shock of losing survival money.

The Rape of Lucretia

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

and how do you think a lack of hard border will come about?

By a hard border between Northern Ireland and the mainland.

FrancieBrady

swampgas wrote: »

I, personally, don't really care. But in most other walks of life neighbours with common problems tend (at the very least) to discuss what can be done about it.

Letting the EU and UK make all the decisions about the future of NI seems a bit short-sighted, and not in NI's best interest either, tbh.

An unwillingness to even discuss an issue speaks volumes about the levels of suspicion and hostility that persist.

The notion that Ireland won't be consulted about border arrangements is unionist wishful thinking. I wouldn't pay much heed tbh.

swampgas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It has nothing to do with 'suspicion' it has everything to do with bigotry and playing to the unionist gallery.
She thought it wouldn't pass and took a contrary position to SF.
When that went tits up she hotfooted it to Westminster pleading for special treatment.
Now she is playing to the unionist bigots again probably to survive politically. There many a unionist farmer and businessman still reeling from the shock of losing survival money.

That I can understand, I'm more curious why Iwasfrozen doesn't see any merit in it.

Iwasfrozen

swampgas wrote: »

I, personally, don't really care. But in most other walks of life neighbours with common problems tend (at the very least) to discuss what can be done about it.

Letting the EU and UK make all the decisions about the future of NI seems a bit short-sighted, and not in NI's best interest either, tbh.

An unwillingness to even discuss an issue speaks volumes about the levels of suspicion and hostility that persist.

It's not a case of letting the UK and EU make the decisions. They are the two sovereigns in question.

Again, what would Irelnd and NI have to talk about? They both oppose a hard border.

What benefit is there to NI meeting with the republic?

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's not a case of letting the UK and EU make the decisions. They are the two sovereigns in question.

Again, what would Irelnd and NI have to talk about? They both oppose a hard border.

What benefit is there to NI meeting with the republic?

Begin the process to reunication and bringing the million or so people there back into the eu??



Unless you don't want them in the eu now??

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The notion that Ireland won't be consulted about border arrangements is unionist wishful thinking. I wouldn't pay much heed tbh.

Merkal has said Ireland would have an equal voice to all other 26 member states. Ireland has less voice in the EU than they did in the UK.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Begin the process to reunication and bringing the million or so people there back into the eu??

Unless you don't want them in the eu now??

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

You're a funny guy Tom!

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Merkal has said Ireland would have an equal voice to all other 26 member states. Ireland has less voice in the EU than they did in the UK.

But they have a veto as opposed to being a permenant minority in the UK and opinions ignored

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

But they have a veto as opposed to being a permenant minority in the UK and opinions ignored

A veto to what? Ireland is a permenant minority in the EU.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Merkal has said Ireland would have an equal voice to all other 26 member states. Ireland has less voice in the EU than they did in the UK.

The EU is Ireland in this instance. Dream on if you think Dublin's voice won't be heard. It will be Arlene jumping up and down looking for attention.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

You're a funny guy Tom!

What's funny about that???


Do you think in the event of renunciation that the north and south should meet?



You've quite the odd outlook on how the world works?

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The EU is Ireland in this instance. Dream on if you think Dublin's voice won't be heard. It will be Arlene jumping up and down looking for attention.

Did you see my post?

Merkel has said Ireland will have an equal voice to the other 26 member states.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

What's funny about that???


Do you think in the event of renunciation that the north and south should meet?



You've quite the odd outlook on how the world works?

What's funny is you think reunification is on the table.

How's that push for a border poll coming along?

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

A veto to what? Ireland is a permenant minority in the EU.

You do realise that any country whigh deosnt ratify any eu treaties....effectively vetoes it????



Another misinformed Brexiters :rolleyes:

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What's funny is you think reunification is on the table.

How's that push for a border poll coming along?

Where have I said it's on the table??


You using your insecurities to put words in ppls mouths again??




Now do you think in the event of renunciation that the north and south should meet


Or what way deos it work in Brexiters world??

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

You do realise that any country whigh deosnt ratify any eu treaties....effectively vetoes it????

Another misinformed Brexiters :rolleyes:

We were talking about borders in the context of Brexit.

What do treaties have to do with a veto on brexit borders? Ireland gave up this sovereignty through treaties.

*also I'm not a brexiter thanks.

swampgas

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's not a case of letting the UK and EU make the decisions. They are the two sovereigns in question.

Again, what would Irelnd and NI have to talk about? They both oppose a hard border.

What benefit is there to NI meeting with the republic?

If there's a willingness to cooperate, then a discussion can determine if there are any benefits to be had. Maybe there are none. I simply don't know.

If there isn't even the willingness to simply find out though, I guess there really isn't any point trying.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

We were talking about borders.

What do treaties have to do with a veto on borders?

You don't expect the eu to have a treaty to finalise brexit negotiations???

Yawn

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Where have I said it's on the table??


You using your insecurities to put words in ppls mouths again??




Now do you think in the event of renunciation that the north and south should meet


Or what way deos it work in Brexiters world??

I asked what would they have to talk about.

You wrote

Begin the process to reunication and bringing the million or so people there back into the eu??

Unless you don't want them in the eu now??

It's cute you think unification is on the table. Well funny actually, hence the laugh.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

You don't expect the eu to have a treaty to finalise brexit negotiations???

Yawn

Oh my Lord.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Oh my Lord.

Agh yes....I know Ya don't like democracy (poor poor Scotland )



But welcome to the real world

Iwasfrozen

swampgas wrote: »

If there's a willingness to cooperate, then a discussion can determine if there are any benefits to be had. Maybe there are none. I simply don't know.

If there isn't even the willingness to simply find out though, I guess there really isn't any point trying.

Grand then.

But come on there are very smart people working for both governments. If there was a benefit to cooperation it wouldn't require a talk to determine what said benefit is.

If the republic of Ireland was genuine about making friends with NI Enda Kenny wouldn't have brought up reunification. They're like a guy holding out one hand to shake and clutching a kitchen knife in the other.

swampgas

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Grand then.

But come on there are very smart people working for both governments. If there was a benefit to cooperation it wouldn't require a talk to determine what said benefit is.

If the republic of Ireland was genuine about making friends with NI Enda Kenny wouldn't have brought up reunification. They're like a guy holding out one hand to shake and clutching a kitchen knife in the other.

The issue of reunification is always going to be there in the background. Enda has his domestic audience to think about just like Arlene.

FrancieBrady

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Did you see my post?

Merkel has said Ireland will have an equal voice to the other 26 member states.

She was talking about Brexit negotiations. If you think Dublin won't be a primary party in discussions about the new border arrangements...dream on.

Iwasfrozen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She was talking about Brexit negotiations. If you think Dublin won't be a primary party in discussions about the new border arrangements...dream on.

Border arrangements are Brexit negotiations.