Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

demfad

catbear wrote: »

I coming to the opinion that there there may an economic reunification of sorts before there's a political solution. I envisage more businesses straddling the border for NI workers with Irish passports. That will pull the economic power from the northeast of Ulster, the traditional unionist powerbase.

The problem will be with a hard brexit. No Customs union means any industry straddling the border is sliced in two due to country of origin issues.
E.g the majority of Tesco chickens are Irish. But 40% (from memory) of chickens grown in ROI are produced in NI. Nightmare.

The Rape of Lucretia

demfad wrote: »

Your posts are bordering on trolling now.

Its hard to tell. Cross border trolling may be subject to regulations or tariffs depending on negotiations. It is one of the most contentious areas in this whole Brexit business.

Iwasfrozen

steddyeddy wrote: »

The BBC reports that British politician Arlene Foster acts in a surprising way by reacting to anything Irish in the negative.

Christopher Hitchen's used to say there's an element of the British government that treats the Republic of Ireland as separate to Northern Ireland as Bogota is. A bigoted imperialistic attitude that's alive and well in Brits like Foster. She referred to the Irish government as remoaners. We haven't had a referendum Arlene.

I'll make my views clear on people like this. Unionists have fecked up the North part of the Ireland for a while now. Arlene needs to remember that nearly 40% of NI's exports go to the rep. The Irish government offered a constructive all island talk on how to handle trade and the rest post Brexit. Arlene, hating all things Irish and belonging to the imperial tradition that all things Northern Ireland have nothing to do with the republic, rejected them.

Now I'll make myself clear in case people are thinking I'm hinting at something rather than spelling it out. I hope the people who voted for people like Arlene get significantly poorer post brexit and find life very difficult. Arlene rejected economics based on hate and if you voted for that a good dose of economic reality would suit you.

Don't be so sour grapes. What do you expect this conference to achieve? What's the point?

A Little Pony

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

The BBC reports that British politician Arlene Foster acts in a surprising way by reacting to anything Irish in the negative.

Christopher Hitchen's used to say there's an element of the British government that treats the Republic of Ireland as separate to Northern Ireland as Bogota is. A bigoted imperialistic attitude that's alive and well in Brits like Foster. She referred to the Irish government as remoaners. We haven't had a referendum Arlene.

I'll make my views clear on people like this. Unionists have fecked up the North part of the Ireland for a while now. Arlene needs to remember that nearly 40% of NI's exports go to the rep. The Irish government offered a constructive all island talk on how to handle trade and the rest post Brexit. Arlene, hating all things Irish and belonging to the imperial tradition that all things Northern Ireland have nothing to do with the republic, rejected them.

Now I'll make myself clear in case people are thinking I'm hinting at something rather than spelling it out. I hope the people who voted for people like Arlene get significantly poorer post brexit and find life very difficult. Arlene rejected economics based on hate and if you voted for that a good dose of economic reality would suit you.

Don't be so sour grapes. What do you expect this conference to achieve? What's the point?

Nothing, just an echo chamber for the whiners.

Iwasfrozen

A Little Pony wrote: »

Nothing, just an echo chamber for the whiners.

That's essentially what of will be. Let alone an echo chamber in a foreign country.

I can't envision any problems the Irish government can't solve through bilateral talks with the UK government.

demfad

A Little Pony wrote: »

Can't say I disagree with her. Let the moaners go down South to moan about it in some poxy political forum.

I think people need to grow up a little.
The complexity and vast implications for Ireland, North and South of a Brexit are of the most serious nature for the whole country.
A forum covering affects to business and industry North and South would be of huge benefits and provide direction to where weaknesses and strenghts are, oppurtunities and threats and provide key areas of cooperation.
It would mean that NI for example could have an influence on Irish negotiations with the EU. It is disingenious for Foster to claim that this can all be sorted in a North South ministerial council.
She is playing the populist with her Unionist voters as are the other Unionist parties. Economically they have everything to gain by attending. It is they that are playing politics.
Claiming that people trying to identify and address real consequences of Brexit are remoaners is clueless. I am pretty sure many of her voters in business and farming would wish a voice at that forum.

catbear

demfad wrote: »

The problem will be with a hard brexit. No Customs union means any industry straddling the border is sliced in two due to country of origin issues.
E.g the majority of Tesco chickens are Irish. But 40% (from memory) of chickens grown in ROI are produced in NI. Nightmare.

I'm not talking about produce crossing borders, I'm talking about NI residents with Republic/EU passports being able to earn Euro across the border but spend in the UK where they live.

catbear

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't be so sour grapes. What do you expect this conference to achieve? What's the point?

Are you saying Brexit ministers shouldn't consult with eachother about strategy too?

You're on my ignore list now.

A Little Pony

demfad wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Can't say I disagree with her. Let the moaners go down South to moan about it in some poxy political forum.

I think people need to grow up a little.
The complexity and vast implications for Ireland, North and South of a Brexit are of the most serious nature for the whole country.
A forum covering affects to business and industry North and South would be of huge benefits and provide direction to where weaknesses and strenghts are, oppurtunities and threats and provide key areas of cooperation.
It would mean that NI for example could have an influence on Irish negotiations with the EU. It is disingenious for Foster to claim that this can all be sorted in a North South ministerial council.
She is playing the populist with her Unionist voters as are the other Unionist parties. Economically they have everything to gain by attending. It is they that are playing politics.
Claiming that people trying to identify and address real consequences of Brexit are remoaners is clueless. I am pretty sure many of her voters in business and farming would wish a voice at that forum.

She has said she won't be attending, I don't know what else you can say about it. Her vote base will agree with her.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

She has said she won't be attending, I don't know what else you can say about it. Her vote base will agree with her.

56% of her constituents voted to remain. Anyway, the all Ireland economy doesn't need unionist politicians. When austerity begins to bite, and it will probably bite worst in the the northeast, the people may well decide that the time has come to break UK jurisdiction.

ambro25

catbear wrote: »

I'm not talking about produce crossing borders, I'm talking about NI residents with Republic/EU passports being able to earn Euro across the border but spend in the UK where they live.

In fairness, I expect that this cross-border commute situation already long existed pre-1973 for very many, whereby in case of a non-EEA 'net' ultimate situation (I say non-EEA, because there's no issue currently with cross-border commutes for EU workers into and out of Switzerland or Lichtenstein, in their 10s of 1000s), it would return to that.

Absent capital controls and such other niceties, the GBP/EUR FOREX issue would remain the already existing part and parcel of the job risk/opportunity (either depending on how the FOREX goes).

What would more likely become an issue, is the restoration of border posts and checks, increasing the commute time/inconvenience.

I used to be one such 'border commuter' between France and Belgium (then Luxembourg) pre-Schengen days, and my brother got a new job not so long ago and now does the exact same France-Luxembourg commute: when France suspended Schengen 'temporarily' earlier this year on the back of the terror attacks, that turned many a commuter's life into a living hell, doubling to tripling the commute time (morning and night) with miles-long queues at the border, where for years and years previously all there was, was a brief slowing down to 90 km/h (i/of 130 km/h) when passing through the border crossing, and no queuing whatsoever.

A real case of you don't know how good you've got it, until you've lost it.

This is just looking at the issue pragmatically, mind. Not politically.

130Kph

catbear wrote:

#1089 You're on my ignore list now.
#881 You're on my ignore list now.
#534 I've three posters on my ignore list and they seem to take up half the current thread.
#417 You're going on my ignore list.
#395 You're on my ignore list now.
#9648 Use the ignore button.
#8676 just add her to the ignore list to starve her of oxygen.

These public killer blows are like daggers through the heart of all mankind.

Please won’t you reconsider…& say this is not really happening.

…It’s just too much, on top of brexit and everything…

OH GOD…OH GOD….OH GOD_____NOOOoooooooo

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

Can't say I disagree with her. Let the moaners go down South to moan about it in some poxy political forum.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't be so sour grapes. What do you expect this conference to achieve? What's the point?

A Little Pony wrote: »

Nothing, just an echo chamber for the whiners.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That's essentially what of will be. Let alone an echo chamber in a foreign country.

I can't envision any problems the Irish government can't solve through bilateral talks with the UK government.

Says 2 NI posters on a Southern forum. :rolleyes:

A Little Pony

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

She has said she won't be attending, I don't know what else you can say about it. Her vote base will agree with her.

56% of her constituents voted to remain. Anyway, the all Ireland economy doesn't need unionist politicians. When austerity begins to bite, and it will probably bite worst in the the northeast, the people may well decide that the time has come to break UK jurisdiction.

lol austerity. We have lived in nothing but austerity in the Unionist community. Doesn't make any difference to who is voted for at elections.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol austerity. We have lived in nothing but austerity in the Unionist community. Doesn't make any difference to who is voted for at elections.

Most people will vote in their economic interests and most people in the northeast aren't unionists and certainly not 'economic-deprivation-is-better-than-change' unionists like you.

FrancieBrady

Arlene won't go to the forum because she will have to face the consequences of a fabulously bad decision.

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol austerity. We have lived in nothing but austerity in the Unionist community. Doesn't make any difference to who is voted for at elections.

I do feel for you but if you vote for a person who won't attend a mutually beneficial economic forum because she hates anything Irish, then that's what will happen.

If you vote for politicians who base their politics on who they're not and who they hate rather than build upon economic strengths that will happen.

Your politicians would rather you be unionist to the core and hate anything Irish than have a decent quality of life. They would rather you be poor and filled with hate than learnt to accept other cultures.

A Little Pony

steddyeddy wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

lol austerity. We have lived in nothing but austerity in the Unionist community. Doesn't make any difference to who is voted for at elections.

I do feel for you but if you vote for a person who won't attend a mutually beneficial economic forum because she hates anything Irish, then that's what will happen.

If you vote for politicians who base their politics on who they're not and who they hate rather than build upon economic strengths that will happen.

Your politicians would rather you be unionist to the core and hate anything Irish than have a decent quality of life. They would rather you be poor and filled with hate than learnt to accept other cultures.

Trying to steal the Irish identity again I see. Perhaps she agrees with Brexit and wants to get on with it and doesn't want to sit around a table taking a liking to a grieving therapy consultation. Brexit is coming and her own party campaigned for it.

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trying to steal the Irish identity again I see. Perhaps she agrees with Brexit and wants to get on with it and doesn't want to sit around a table taking a liking to a grieving therapy consultation. Brexit is coming and her own party campaigned for it.

eh that is what the forum is designed to deal with.

Will Arlene be making any preparations for Brexit herself? Or will she just expect it all to run smoothly?

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trying to steal the Irish identity again I see. Perhaps she agrees with Brexit and wants to get on with it and doesn't want to sit around a table taking a liking to a grieving therapy consultation. Brexit is coming and her own party campaigned for it.

Well is it working for your community? Are you generally well off?

A Little Pony

steddyeddy wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trying to steal the Irish identity again I see. Perhaps she agrees with Brexit and wants to get on with it and doesn't want to sit around a table taking a liking to a grieving therapy consultation. Brexit is coming and her own party campaigned for it.

Well is it working for your community? Are you generally well off?

Yes, family business is fine. Not seen any difference.

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

Yes, family business is fine. Not seen any difference.

Great. I wish you and your family well.

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

Yes, family business is fine. Not seen any difference.

Let's drill down into this.
What does the business do?
Where does it source stock/raw materials?

MrPudding

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Let's drill down into this.
What does the business do?
Where does it source stock/raw materials?

I would say good luck getting any answers on that, and even if you did, would you believe them?

MrP

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Let's drill down into this.
What does the business do?
Where does it source stock/raw materials?

Inside leg measurement, colour of underwear and foot size as well?

steddyeddy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't be so sour grapes. What do you expect this conference to achieve? What's the point?

Sour grapes? About what? I'm on a decent wage and funded by the US government. My flatmate and some of my friends here are already struggling as it is. I think Brexit will make people who are already struggling a lot poorer.

Science in the UK will suffer and our industry will suffer from lack of new funds from the EU in 2020. I can move. Many people here cannot. I think that a lot of the UK's strengths will diminish if they go through with this. I hope they don't go through with this.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Inside leg measurement, colour of underwear and foot size as well?

You too see what I am doing, is that why your leaping in to protect him?

Let him name the type of business (I don't want any personal details) and we can judge for ourselves how 'affected' it is.
We could use it as a barometer of how Brexit is doing as the thread goes forward. A weekly round-up maybe?

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You too see what I am doing, is that why your leaping in to protect him?

Let him name the type of business (I don't want any personal details) and we can judge for ourselves how 'affected' it is.
We could use it as a barometer of how Brexit is doing as the thread goes forward. A weekly round-up maybe?

sorry, how exactly will you judge for yourself?

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

sorry, how exactly will you judge for yourself?

Not hard to do, if his family business trades along the border, he is likely seeing a good effect right now.
If his business is importing stock then it isn't hard to see an effect there too due to currency fluctuations.
I buy some stock from NI and was seeing some great value for a while but only this week the company upped it's prices because they buy their stock in Germany and the Netherlands and have warned of further increases. So not such a good effect there.

ECO_Mental

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Is that a fact?

Professor Lane said his office has seen a spike in inquiries from financial services companies since the Brexit vote.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/1028/827506-lane-on/


Fact......