Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

RasTa

Good article

Since the beginning of 2015, the Middle East, Africa and Asia have seen nearly 50 times more deaths from terrorism than Europe and the Americas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/

SnakePlissken

RasTa wrote: »

Good article



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/

All the more reason to secure our borders.

KingBrian2

Grayson wrote: »

The average christian varies from place to place. In Uganda it's someone who wants to stone gay people. It's also the Lords Ristance Army which enslaves children to fight for them. In parts of the US it's a Klansman who used the bible to justify his belief. In central america they're proposing to increase the penalty for abortion to a minimum of 30 years. Then there's guys like brevik, the guys who attack the abortion clinics, the guys who say that the US should turn the middle east into glass.

All religion has it's crazies.

Their not most Christians, your looking at the extreme cases. In the Islamic world many of these terrorists are infact genuine dyed in wool fanatics that talk about Jihad the way the French talk about cheese & wine.

BuilderPlumber

Grayson wrote: »

The average christian varies from place to place. In Uganda it's someone who wants to stone gay people. It's also the Lords Ristance Army which enslaves children to fight for them. In parts of the US it's a Klansman who used the bible to justify his belief. In central america they're proposing to increase the penalty for abortion to a minimum of 30 years. Then there's guys like brevik, the guys who attack the abortion clinics, the guys who say that the US should turn the middle east into glass.

All religion has it's crazies.

These terrorists have no belief whatsoever in anything other than dealing cocaine, heroin, pot, etc., prostitution, selling DVDs of killing innocent people on the deep web, operating protection rackets (you pay us and we won't target your country) and running people smuggling rings. They use extreme terrorism to convince governments to cooperate with their agendas. These guys whether they claim to be Muslim or Christian or whatever would not have one religious bone in their body. And they would be an insult to good atheist people too. They are just criminal lowlife of the lowest order.

BoatMad

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

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This is impractical and unfair. The reality the west has to accept now is that while maintaining tolerance and understanding, it is time to stop dancing around the topic that religions, and Islam particularly, is harmful, and people need to be helped to overcome it.
Without victimisation in any way, in the manner of the culture changes engineered to counter the harmful effects smoking or obesity, states need to acknowledge their responsibility to society and fund educational, public information, and schemes to help people leave religions in the ignorant and superstitious past. But without sanctioning anyone still in thrall to them, rather treating them more in line with those suffering a delusional mental illness - which is what surely, clinically, in the final analysis, what it is.

in the several generations it takes to " possibly " change people religious views ( an approach not well known for success) , how do you stop multiple killings


thats the nub

BoatMad

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

These terrorists have no belief whatsoever in anything other than dealing cocaine, heroin, pot, etc., prostitution, selling DVDs of killing innocent people on the deep web, operating protection rackets (you pay us and we won't target your country) and running people smuggling rings. They use extreme terrorism to convince governments to cooperate with their agendas. These guys whether they claim to be Muslim or Christian or whatever would not have one religious bone in their body. And they would be an insult to good atheist people too. They are just criminal lowlife of the lowest order.

never fall into the trap of mixing up the seeming madness of terror and the people behind it. The vast majority of terror attacks , stem from a reason or an underlying problem. They are not mindless in that way

However thats not the issue , what os the problem is how you stop these attacks today

jackofalltrades

RasTa wrote: »

Good article



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/the-scale-of-terrorist-attacks-around-the-world/

What's good about the article?
It just points out that other areas have a much higher death toll, in a kind of "first world problems" way.

BabyE

I was there on the night, the scenes will forever be etched on my mind, I managed to be out of the line of the truck because I decided to go and get a fizzy drink in McDonalds. I never drink fizzy drinks. Shocked, speechless, the video of the truck rampaging up through promenade des anglais with the face of that young boy in the final moments of his life was something truly shocking and will stay with me for a long time. Poor kid. J'suis Nice!!!!

BuilderPlumber

BoatMad wrote: »

never fall into the trap of mixing up the seeming madness of terror and the people behind it. The vast majority of terror attacks , stem from a reason or an underlying problem. They are not mindless in that way

However thats not the issue , what os the problem is how you stop these attacks today

I agree. The roots of ISIS first began to grow in the recent chaos in the Middle East and in Iraq and Syria in particular. The 2003 invasion of Saddam's Iraq and the Arab Spring being the two main events that caused them to gain ground. Those events were caused by other events. Iraq was a mess ever since it decided to invade Iran (it is now clear that Iran was by far the winner of that war even though both countries were in bits in 1989 after it ended: Iran got its lost territory back and is one of the few stable countries in the region today).

Afghanistan at the same time descended into total chaos with royal, communist and terrorist governments replacing each other from the 1970s to 2001. The Taliban/al Qaeda alliance lead to the first of these modern day suicide terrorist attacks with 9/11 being the worst. 9/11 lead to all these current wars.

The Arab spring and other Middle East revolutions happened because of either hated dictators, oppressed minorities, regimes that did more for the West and other powers than for its own people, etc. Most of these revolutions only brought chaos, another dictator or weak governments who cannot control much outside the capital city. A lot of support for certain regimes dates back to the cold war. Support for capitalist forces against Russian-backed communist forces lead to a load of civil wars in places like Somalia and Afghanistan. Colonialism and its after effects have lead to hatreds for old colonial powers in places too.

With regards to France we know it was the main colonial power in north, central and west Africa. It is no coincidence then when terrorists who attack France are of North African extraction. It further confuses issues when countries like Mali and Niger who have a white, Arab/Berber/Taureg north and a black African south and the south rule the country. Reverse racism occurs. When Mali's Arab north tried to break away, the Malian government in Bamako called for help from its closest ally, France. Meanwhile in France itself, every city is full of poor people of North and West African descent. These are often excluded from society and this builds their anger, makes them turn to crime and carry out or help others to carry out attacks. France's support for the Algerian government against so-called 'Islamic fundamentalists' in the 1990s also fuels hatred for France among North Africans especially Algerians. Criminals setting themselves up as self styled caliphs like Baghdadi can then get his message out there and inspire others to act.

Today, the solution to this awful problem is not going to be easy. More inclusive societies with more caring governments who make lives better for their citizens is needed both in countries like France and ones like Iraq. Defeating ISIS, al Qaeda and others needs to be done by all world powers and regional powers teaming up and once they are defeated, money needs to be pumped in to rebuild all these failed states like was done for Germany in the late 1940s. The use of proxy organisations to fight proxy wars by all world and regional powers needs to end too.

long range shooter

testaccount123 wrote: »

Norway are copying the French model. Allowing enormous numbers of Muslims into the country with no regard to the consequences. Anyone who questions it is a racist.

Nope they are not
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-number-of-asylum-seekers-arriving-in-norway-drops-by-95-a7114191.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/04/europe/norway-amanpour-erna-solberg/index.html

long range shooter

Billy86 wrote: »

So you also consider black people 'the problem' in the US, and that it has nothing to do with the actual system around them.

How come Islam isn't 'the problem' in Toronto?

Its a big problem in Canada,but like most,they are all waiting for the big bang to happen first,then we deal with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUXhBm-g3YE

Grayson

jackofalltrades wrote: »

They're not average christian examples though, most of them would be extremists.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Their not most Christians, your looking at the extreme cases. In the Islamic world many of these terrorists are infact genuine dyed in wool fanatics that talk about Jihad the way the French talk about cheese & wine.

There's a billion Muslims in the world. Most are not terrorists. In Iraq and Syria most people have fled. The majority of people are not involved in the conflicts, they actually flee the conflicts.

In the western world there are many who talk about turning the middle east to glass. It's not unusual to see commentators on US news shows make comments like this. There's talk about how they should have reduced civil rights, how they should be monitored or be forced to register. It's part of the political discourse and is talked about the way the french talk about cheese and wine.

It's double standards to say that a christian extremist is not representative of Christians but a Muslim extremist is representative of islam. Neither are representative the vast majority of both religious congregations who are peaceful people.

I say this as an atheist. I believe all religions are stupid and I hold all religions to the same rational standards. I also hold their adherents to moral and ethical standards. I was raised a catholic in Ireland and the middle east so I know a lot, more than most people, about the religion and politics of both europe and the middle east. If there's one truth I've learned it's that people are the same everywhere.

This goes the same with reactionaries and extremists. Each side has their nutjobs. We see bomb attacks across europe but for decades it wasn't muslims doing it, it was europeans. We seem to forget that for years Irish terrorists led bombing attacks across the UK. From the Balcombe gang who threw nail bombs into packed restaurants to the omagh bombing with targeted civilians, we've had our share of crazies who blew people up in the name of religion/nationalism. It's wrong to say that all catholics or nationalists or Irish people are terrorists and want to kill english people based on the actions of a few.

mansize

https://twitter.com/nickyaacampbell/status/754980822206341121

Kelvin McKensie is beyond contempt

long range shooter

mansize wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nickyaacampbell/status/754980822206341121

Kelvin McKensie is beyond contempt

Important to be political correct these days

Outlaw Pete

mansize wrote: »

Kelvin McKensie is beyond contempt

85 innocent people murdered in cold blood and yet some members of the left wing media still want to spend their time playing 'Spot the white racist'.

Still all trying to impress one another. One wonders what it will take to wake many of them up.

511

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Meanwhile in France itself, every city is full of poor people of North and West African descent. These are often excluded from society and this builds their anger, makes them turn to crime and carry out or help others to carry out attacks.

These people exclude themselves from society because their cultures aren't compatible with Europe's and crime is rampant is all poor areas, regardless of what ethnic group resides in them. Allowing in the mass movement of unskilled and uneducated migrants is what creates these ghettos because they really have no other alternative but to live in social housing.

long range shooter

It gets better and better this.
Muslim Journalist: Nice Attacks Happened Because ‘France Is An Islamophobic Nation’

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/15/muslim-journalist-nice-attacks-happened-because-france-is-an-islamophobic-nation/#ixzz4EmpBFjZI

Grayson

long range shooter wrote: »

Try and explain that to the politicians running Europe.
You know what the answer is.
You are a racist and islamophobic.

If you mouth off at a random person because they are the same religion as someone else who did something bad, you're an asshole.

long range shooter

Grayson wrote: »

If you mouth off at a random person because they are the same religion as someone else who did something bad, you're an asshole.

Problem is all bad comes from one religion.

Renegade Mechanic

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

85 innocent people murdered in cold blood and yet some members of the left wing media still want to spend their time playing 'Spot the white racist'.

Still all trying to impress one another. One wonders what it will take to wake many of them up.

Something they won't wake up from, at this point

Grayson

long range shooter wrote: »

Problem is all bad comes from one religion.

Kick someone head in because of an opinion. You guys should join ISIS. You'd fit right in.

long range shooter

Grayson wrote: »

Kick someone head in because of an opinion. You guys should join ISIS. You'd fit right in.

Its called self defence,you should look it up.
And just because you see the world trough your tiny little window,doesnt mean the rest of us do.

Grayson

long range shooter wrote: »

Its called self defence,you should look it up.
And just because you see the world trough your tiny little window,doesnt mean the rest of us do.

You'd kick a guys head in because of his opinion. That's not self defence. That's being a dick. That attitude has more in common with ISIS than it does with decent human beings.

long range shooter

Grayson wrote: »

You'd kick a guys head in because of his opinion. That's not self defence. That's being a dick. That attitude has more in common with ISIS than it does with decent human beings.

No where i come from its called nationalism, and protect what you believe in and people you care about.
You seem to lack of that.

SEPT 23 1989

French people are running out of patience

Grayson

long range shooter wrote: »

No where i come from its called nationalism, and protect what you believe in and people you care about.
You seem to lack of that.

National socialism more like. religion doesn't affect your nationality. Your attitude towards muslims is more similar to national socialism than any other form of nationalism.

long range shooter

Grayson wrote: »

National socialism more like. religion doesn't affect your nationality. Your attitude towards muslims is more similar to national socialism than any other form of nationalism.

Religion with the wrong ideology does.
That slowly demoralise europe to give in to their demands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXsTKzOTvo

Call Me Jimmy

No, it is I who is the most virtuous

Renegade Mechanic

Grayson wrote: »

You'd kick a guys head in because of his opinion. That's not self defence. That's being a dick. That attitude has more in common with ISIS than it does with decent human beings.

You've just woken up after finally finding sleep, two days after holding your freinds head, failing miserably to comfort them, but succeeding in averting their eyes from the fact that everything from their pelvis down is a fifteen foot streak of red, yellow and brown lasagne mush and bone pieces while they bled out in a haze of drawn moans. While at the same time being unable to avoid the sight of many people in the same/worse condition, and some who's condition is replicated, but from the pelvis up.
The smell of internals like spleens and unprocessed bowel charges hanging about in the air will never, ever leave you.

Someone says 'well technically it's your fault', and you're not overcome with the desire to kick them apart?
This is why people like you will have their heads kicked in by the very same you've so hilariously referred to. Jesus man, these are people who'll kick your head in for arguing that pork is nice, alcohol should be allowed and women are not 2nd class citizens. Wake up...

I understand fully that "#NotAllMuslims" are extreme militant murderers.
I just happen to find the belief set of Islam in general to have little place in western civilisation. The terrorists actually have very little to do with why I personally don't want mass Muslim immigration.

Islam does not integrate. It dominates.

Grayson

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

You've just woken up after finally finding sleep, two days after holding your freinds head, failing miserably to comfort them, but succeeding in averting their eyes from the fact that everything from their pelvis down is a fifteen foot streak of red, yellow and brown lasagne mush and bone pieces while they bled out in a haze of drawn moans. While at the same time being unable to avoid the sight of many people in the same/worse condition, and some who's condition is replicated, but from the pelvis up.
The smell of internals like spleens and unprocessed bowel charges hanging about in the air will never, ever leave you.

Someone says 'well technically it's your fault', and you're not overcome with the desire to kick them apart?
This is why people like you will have their heads kicked in by the very same you've so hilariously referred to. Jesus man, these are people who'll kick your head in for arguing that pork is nice, alcohol should be allowed and women are not 2nd class citizens. Wake up...

I understand fully that "#NotAllMuslims" are extreme militant murderers.
I just happened to find the belief set of Islam in general to have little place in western civilisation. The terrorists actually have very little to do with why I personally don't want mass Muslim immigration.

Islam does not integrate. It dominated.

The guy never said that. He said that if he was french and saw him walking down the street. He said it was right because it was nationalism.

Muslims integrate just as well as anyone else. Christianity isn't the dominant religion in Europe, north and south america because it integrated. It's because people were conquered by the sword and forced to convert.