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Pro12 Final Build up thread: uppity westerners v their ladyboy brothers

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    #152
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    I do think, even if noone said Buckley out isn't a loss, that Loughney is underestimated. He did really well agaist Glasgow twice. Ross/Furlong aren't top top quality either. And on the other side, Bealham is what we have best (even if White were here) to counter Jack.
    Scrum will be Leinster's, but not that much I hope


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    #153
    AchillesToe
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    Mrreliable wrote: »
    Despite 'Ireland Duty' Cullen using 56 Players only shows he has no continuity. He did use more or less same teams for last 2 matches and it has paid off. All coaches have to deal with players going on national duty. Only an excuse. Personally I would have major reservations about Cullens ability as a coach ! I think Leinster have been very erratic this season and that is down to coaching. We know the players have the ability. They have proven that.

    In fairness very few coaches in the world regularly lose 20 odd players to squads. Certainly no other Irish team does. Some difference to lose 6 front row players to a squad!
    It is an excuse but also a justifiable one


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    #154
    Billysays no
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Jesus, rose tinted glasses or what!?

    If we lose I'll be gutted and so will the players.

    I really don't feel that way. After an incredible season you would base it on one result. These guys have proved that john Muldoon is the best leader in Irish rugby, matt Healy is the best winger in Ireland, tiernan O'Halloran is the best fullback in Ireland.


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    #155
    connachta
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    Billysays no wrote: »
    MadYaker wrote: »
    Jesus, rose tinted glasses or what!?

    If we lose I'll be gutted and so will the players.

    I really don't feel that way. After an incredible season you would base it on one result. These guys have proved that john Muldoon is the best leader in Irish rugby, matt Healy is the best winger in Ireland, tiernan O'Halloran is the best fullback in Ireland.
    Bit too much, but they indeed prooved the gap with their Leinster's famous counterparts is thiner than some expect


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    #156
    Billysays no
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    They, the Leinster dudes will never believe until they see it


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    #157
    Adbrowne
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    Billysays no wrote: »
    I like Nigel Owens. No fecking around. Another advantage Connacht. Pretty much clinches it in my book :-). I had forgot to suggest that the ref could be an advantage

    eh two of leinsters three HEC final wins were reffed by Nigel :p


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    #158
    former total
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    Twilight zone starting early tonight


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    #159
    irishbucsfan
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    Adbrowne wrote: »
    eh two of leinsters three HEC final wins were reffed by Nigel :p

    He reffed the quarter final, semi final and final in the Heineken Cup for one of our HEC wins. Great servant to the cause :D


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    #160
    LEIN
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    connemara man wrote: »
    Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU, 136th competition game, 4th Final)
    Assistant Referees: Ian Davies, Ben Whitehouse (WRU)
    Officials: 4 Lloyd Linton; 5 Bob Nevins; 6 Tom Mc Nicol (all SRU)
    Timekeeper; Paul Cyphus (SRU)
    Citing Commissioner: Maurizio Vancini (FIR)
    TMO: Jon Mason (WRU)

    Delighted with Nigel, will make for a great final.


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    #161
    connachta
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    LEIN wrote: »
    connemara man wrote: »
    Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU, 136th competition game, 4th Final)
    Assistant Referees: Ian Davies, Ben Whitehouse (WRU)
    Officials: 4 Lloyd Linton; 5 Bob Nevins; 6 Tom Mc Nicol (all SRU)
    Timekeeper; Paul Cyphus (SRU)
    Citing Commissioner: Maurizio Vancini (FIR)
    TMO: Jon Mason (WRU)

    Delighted with Nigel, will make for a great final.
    Couldn't have been anyone else anyway...


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    #162
    Podge_irl
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    Billysays no wrote: »
    I really don't feel that way. After an incredible season you would base it on one result. These guys have proved that john Muldoon is the best leader in Irish rugby, matt Healy is the best winger in Ireland, tiernan O'Halloran is the best fullback in Ireland.

    Bloody weird how Leinster managed to top the table so


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    #163
    connemara man
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    Nigel has reffed Connacht once this season. The Connacht home victory against Leinster...


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    #164
    LEIN
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    connachta wrote: »
    Couldn't have been anyone else anyway...

    Had a feeling it would be him when I saw him running the lines in Galway on Saturday.


    John Lacey reffed an all Irish final in 2013 in the RDS.


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    #165
    Podge_irl
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    He reffed the quarter final, semi final and final in the Heineken Cup for one of our HEC wins. Great servant to the cause :D

    I think he reffed the QF, SF and Final for Munster's second win too.


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    #166
    connachta
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    Munster Leinster time to make Connacht a winning team now Nigel :)


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    #167
    LEIN
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    connachta wrote: »
    Munster Leinster time to make Connacht a winning team now Nigel :)

    Connacht need to make Connacht winning team. ;)


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    #168
    connachta
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    Would help to have Nigel indulgent for rucks and scrums. The rest we could handle it^^


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    #169
    Yeah_Right
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    On what basis have you reached that conclusion exactly?

    I reached that conclusion through watching him. He's a very good rugby player but I don't think he's an international level prop. Too short and not strong or fit enough for test rugby IMO.

    Very good club player but that's his ceiling. Yes he was in the Pro 12 team of the year but that's a made up team that doesn't actually play tests so it doesn't mean ****.*

    *i know you (ClanofLams) didn't say anything about the Pro 12 team of the year, I'm responding to typhoony in this post as well.


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    #170
    typhoony
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    connemara man wrote: »
    Nigel has reffed Connacht once this season. The Connacht home victory against Leinster...

    yes we gave him 2 car parking spaces and washed and valetted his car during the match


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    #171
    typhoony
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I reached that conclusion through watching him. He's a very good rugby player but I don't think he's an international level prop. Too short and not strong or fit enough for test rugby IMO.

    Very good club player but that's his ceiling. Yes he was in the Pro 12 team of the year but that's a made up team that doesn't actually play tests so it doesn't mean ****.*

    *i know you (ClanofLams) didn't say anything about the Pro 12 team of the year, I'm responding to typhoons in this post as well.

    just wondering then who do you think should be the no1 and n02 looseheads for Ireland?


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    #172
    Adbrowne
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    connachta wrote: »
    Couldn't have been anyone else anyway...

    I thought whitehouse might have got it


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    #173
    Yeah_Right
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    typhoony wrote: »
    just wondering then who do you think should be the no1 and n02 looseheads for Ireland?

    McGrath and Healy.


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    #174
    connachta
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    typhoony wrote: »
    just wondering then who do you think should be the no1 and n02 looseheads for Ireland?

    McGrath and Healy.
    No. Not anymore


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    #175
    connemara man
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I reached that conclusion through watching him. He's a very good rugby player but I don't think he's an international level prop. Too short and not strong or fit enough for test rugby IMO.

    Very good club player but that's his ceiling. Yes he was in the Pro 12 team of the year but that's a made up team that doesn't actually play tests so it doesn't mean ****.*

    *i know you (ClanofLams) didn't say anything about the Pro 12 team of the year, I'm responding to typhoony in this post as well.

    I personally cant see this.

    He has gotten the best of most if not all Tight heads he has come across. is like an extra back row in terms of turnovers, and has routinely played 80 minutes because he is so vital ( fitness). great hands and i don't mean that in a for a prop sense he's generally a good passer of the ball. makes good running/support lines

    I think the issue a lot have against him is his height. I wold have him ahead on my team sheet of any prop in Ireland apart from McGrath and Healy when in form.


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    #176
    bilston
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    former total wrote: »
    Digifriendly wrote: »
    They need to have a fortnight at least between Pro 12 semi finals and final to give supporters more time to arrange travel/accommodation. Hopefully next season with no RWC, things will be less pressurised and there will be better planning of fixtures.

    Nope, same again next season it looks like.

    Any word on where the final will be next year? Wales seems likely on the basis it has been in Ireland and Scotland already.


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    #177
    LEIN
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    Weather looking dry and somewhat calm at present, will also make for a great game.


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    #178
    LEIN
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    bilston wrote: »
    Any word on where the final will be next year? Wales seems likely on the basis it has been in Ireland and Scotland already.

    Could be Italy.


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    #179
    Yeah_Right
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    connemara man wrote: »
    I personally cant see this.

    He has gotten the best of most if not all Tight heads he has come across. is like an extra back row in terms of turnovers, and has routinely played 80 minutes because he is so vital ( fitness). great hands and i don't mean that in a for a prop sense he's generally a good passer of the ball. makes good running/support lines

    I think the issue a lot have against him is his height. I wold have him ahead on my team sheet of any prop in Ireland apart from McGrath and Healy when in form.

    That's my point. Healy in form is better than Buckley by miles. I wouldn't pick props purely on form. I believe therefore that Healy and McGrath are still the top 2 LHs in Ireland.

    Height is a weakness in scrums and lifting in line outs.

    There is a massive difference between Pro 12 and test rugby. I don't know if he can make the step up.


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    #180
    freyners
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I reached that conclusion through watching him. He's a very good rugby player but I don't think he's an international level prop. Too short and not strong or fit enough for test rugby IMO.

    Very good club player but that's his ceiling. Yes he was in the Pro 12 team of the year but that's a made up team that doesn't actually play tests so it doesn't mean ****.*

    *i know you (ClanofLams) didn't say anything about the Pro 12 team of the year, I'm responding to typhoony in this post as well.

    Ah here. Fitness? The man regularly plays eighty minutes. He played almost 90 vs glaws last year. How much more fit can he get??

    I'd take issue with strength as well but I don't know what you are assessing that by.


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    #181
    connemara man
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    That's my point. Healy in form is better than Buckley by miles. I wouldn't pick props purely on form. I believe therefore that Healy and McGrath are still the top 2 LHs in Ireland.

    Height is a weakness in scrums and lifting in line outs.

    There is a massive difference between Pro 12 and test rugby. I don't know if he can make the step up.

    but over the course of 2 seasons he has been better than most props pushing for second spot for Ireland. form is a burst he has been playing great rugby for 2 years now.

    Connachts line out has faltered when he's not there more then when he is. and his scrumaging is excellent

    He has been unlucky with injuries at bad times otherwise he would be in Irish camps (imo)


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