UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

ardinn

This is gathering pace on the interwebz - Surely not? I actually dont believe it as you cannot have Conor keeping the featherweight title unchallenged for another year!

McGregor V Diaz 2 UFC 200 - What you guys think?

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Report: Nate Diaz-Conor McGregor Rematch Targeted for UFC 200 Headliner http://bit.ly/1Wwo6y5

AtTheBuzzerVerified account ‏@TheBuzzerOnFOX 2h2 hours ago
Sounds like a Conor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz rematch is happening at #UFC200!

callaway92

It's pretty clear he doesn't want to put his body through the virtual killing of himself to make 145lbs ever again. Relinquish that title from him and leave him do as he wishes.

ardinn

He wishes to hold both the 145 and 155 titles - I would have at least thouht he defends the featherweight belt and goes after RDA - Although RDA V Robbie lawlor is on the cards now too it seems!

I'd love to see Aldo vs Edgar as well a McGregor vs Diaz at UFC 200. McGregor would then have to defend the 145 or vacate if he doesn't fight the winner.
There's plenty who will argue (portably rightly so) that McGregor should be defending the 145 in his next fight but he won't be forced vacate it yet, especially since Edgar and Aldo were both unavailable to step up at 196.
Either way, from the amount of areas that have been taking about it, it looks like McGregor vs Diaz II is next.

ardinn

I bet on diaz last time - not sure what way I will swing this time, (if it happens) Diaz with a full camp!!

That_Guy

I like Conor and all but this is a stupid rematch to make. I hate the UFC's culture of instant rematches particularly when the last fight wasn't even that close.

What is there to prove by going down this route other than financial gain for the UFC.

I was excited the first time but I have no desire to watch this fight again especially as it'll be only 4 months removed if they go for it at 200.

Shortsighted on the matchmaking side of the UFC considering the fights available at UFC 197/198/199

Seems like they've run out of ideas unless they're keeping a few surprises under wraps.

pragmatic1

Bad move for Conor. He looked really ordinary against Nate last fight.

Littlehorny

Unless he has some game plan, i don't know why he's taking this on. He knows he doesn't have the power to stop Diaz advancing so how else is he going to beat a bigger man. Very surprised he hasn't insisted on this fight at 155 or took on somebody else at 155. As has been said before, it is looking more and more likely that he can't or won't make 145 again.

Subcomandante Marcos

Terrible fight for Conor and the UFC as a whole.

Nate will slap the head off of Conor whether it's at 155, 170 or a whatever.


Conor needs to either sh*t or get off the pot in regards to the 145 belt, it he's not willing to defend it, he needs to vacate it. His next fight should be against Frankie, fighting at a higher weight class is him on a hiding to nothing.

creeper1

Someone please tell me this isn't true.

winston82

Terrible match-up. McGregor will become a laughing stock when he loses. He doesn't have the tools to beat Diaz.

Oh how the times have changed.

Tommy Kelly

Two mouthpieces fighting one another seems to be the order of the day now within the UFC. Defending or belts in general even has gone down the pecking order.

That 145 belt should be defended at UFC 200. There's two excellent fighters there ready to put on what would be an intriguing fight against McGregor. A fight genuine MMA fans would love to see. Not one that'll pull in the hoards of Bieber and whatever other celebrity that tweets a thing or two about McGregor and Diaz, fans for the night and the night only.

JustTheOne

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Terrible fight for Conor and the UFC as a whole.

Nate will slap the head off of Conor whether it's at 155, 170 or a whatever.


Conor needs to either sh*t or get off the pot in regards to the 145 belt, it he's not willing to defend it, he needs to vacate it. His next fight should be against Frankie, fighting at a higher weight class is him on a hiding to nothing.

Angry angry young man.

Myrddin

ardinn wrote: »

Although RDA V Robbie lawlor is on the cards now too it seems!

Ooh I'd like that one. I wonder if there's any truth in it

Tigger

Remember when there used to be weight classes?

Myrddin

Tigger wrote: »

Remember when there used to be weight classes?

Quiet you with your common sense and sportsmanship

martinbe

It’s going to make everybody involved loads of money and that’s what the UFC and the two fighters care about. I think all the fans want the Edgar fight, but the UFC must think a McGregor v Diaz fight will pull in more PPV.

I think McGregor can beat him but he will have to be allot smarter and not just go for the big knock out.

StringerBell

Thought the mock up poster said Diaz v McGregor II

Looks weird having Conor on the A side when he is trying to avenge a defeat, seems to be just a matter of time before this **** is announced.

Will be a good fight and one I will look forward to, still makes a mockery of the UFC as a "serious" organisation, but ce la vie.

CatFromHue

martinbe wrote: »

It’s going to make everybody involved loads of money and that’s what the UFC and the two fighters care about. I think all the fans want the Edgar fight, but the UFC must think a McGregor v Diaz fight will pull in more PPV.

I think McGregor can beat him but he will have to be allot smarter and not just go for the big knock out.

What happens if McGregor does beat him?

Do they go for the third fight :eek::pac:

GiftofGab

What is McGregor trying to accomplish fighting at 170? His last fight has proven this is not a long term prospect for him. Robbie Lawlar would eat him alive. Why not fight at 155lbs? Surely he’s eyeing a title fight against RDA. So why not get as much experience as he can at 155.

The FW belt is just there as an insurance in case he loses against Diaz again and still has belt to defend. Thus making another big pay day.

ScumLord

It's a bit of a bizarre move from anything other than a pride perspective. I don't think Connor needs to fight Diaz, the only reason I can see behind it is that he didn't like losing and thinks he didn't give the fight the respect it deserved. Maybe he see's fighters like Diaz as his achilles heel and wants to find a way of winning against guys like diaz without putting his belt on the line. If he can find a way to beat Diaz it would probably help him against Edgar in a title fight.

Subcomandante Marcos

I'm refusing to accept that this fight is actually going to happen.

Conor will fight Diaz again, but at 155, right now, at 170, it's completely the wrong fight for him.

He should be going after someone like Cowboy or Petis at 155 if he's determined to fight above 145, but in reality he should be fighting Frankie next or vacating his belt.

Swashbuckler

Wouldn't be surprised if it was just the UFC putting the feelers out to see what kind of reaction it gets on social media.

LaGlisse

Latest from Helwani
Says that reports of only a verbal agreement are not true, contracts have actually been issued.
Fight is happening at 170 because McGregor is a "wildman". He is obsessed that he lost to Nate at 170 and feels he should have won, wants the same rules as the first fight.
Reports that the fight as of yet is unconfirmed and still just a rumour are not true. When he says "in the works and targeted" the only reason he isn't saying it's official is because he has enough respect for the UFC to let them officially announce it. All parties involved want this fight.
Official announcement expected this week.

I think this is what those in the Gambling world refer to as chasing your losses. Fking insane.
Which Belt-Holders are going to want to fight on the undercard at 200? Let alone 2?

Edit: i will be shelling out though. But I can see how long term/serious fans/Current Champions and FW Challengers think this is a joke

Gamebred

Hes a genius,he loses this hes in the exact same spot hes in now,has the weight excuse and still have the belt,sure might lose some ppv pull but people will tune in when he fights back at his own weight,its all about the money for him now thats very clear.

LaGlisse

Gamebred wrote: »

Hes a genius,he loses this hes in the exact same spot hes in now,has the weight excuse and still have the belt,sure might lose some ppv pull but people will tune in when he fights back at his own weight,its all about the money for him now thats very clear.

Surely he has to vacate? I think Kavanagh was serious when he said he didnt want him doing that cut again after Aldo fight. If this fight is announce it surely confirms he just doesnt have that cut in him again?

Faugheen

LaGlisse wrote: »

Latest from Helwani
Says that reports of only a verbal agreement are not true, contracts have actually been issued.
Fight is happening at 170 because McGregor is a "wildman". He is obsessed that he lost to Nate at 170 and feels he should have won, wants the same rules as the first fight.
Reports that the fight as of yet is unconfirmed and still just a rumour are not true. When he says "in the works and targeted" the only reason he isn't saying it's official is because he has enough respect for the UFC to let them officially announce it. All parties involved want this fight.
Official announcement expected this week.

I think this is what those in the Gambling world refer to as chasing your losses. Fking insane.
Which Belt-Holders are going to want to fight on the undercard at 200? Let alone 2?

Edit: i will be shelling out though. But I can see how long term/serious fans/Current Champions and FW Challengers think this is a joke

If McGregor really feels he should have won then he looks like an idiot. Diaz clocked him one and McGregor was gone from there. With that logic, you could say Mendes and Aldo should have beaten McGregor as well.

Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying Mendes or Aldo should have won.

Myrddin

Faugheen wrote: »

If McGregor really feels he should have won then he looks like an idiot. Diaz clocked him one and McGregor was gone from there. With that logic, you could say Mendes and Aldo should have beaten McGregor as well.

Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying Mendes or Aldo should have won.

It would appear he honestly believed he fluffed the fight, underestimated Nate, and overestimated his ability KO Nate. With a different game plan, he must feel he can win the fight, & maybe he can - Nate, despite being a tough cookie, is beatable - hell, they're all beatable with the right plan, approach, and pinch of fortune. Maybe it is a pride thing now, but he needs to be careful about not letting it cloud his judgement on the night, if the fight indeed goes ahead. Conor's a smart fighter though, I think his loss to Nate was a lesson for him, but I think he can beat Nate given the right approach. It won't be a headline knockout finish, it'd be a points decision, but that might be enough to soothe his dented pride, & move on from there. If he loses it though, it'll feel ten times worse than the current loss did, & that's why I'm not yet convinced it's a good idea to go straight back in.

I think a successful title defence at 145, would put him in the right head space to take this challenge on. Though maybe going from 145 to 170 in between fights was a factor in his loss, & maybe staying at 170 now would benefit him? I honestly don't know enough about it all to say with any degree of certainty, but I think Conor is a smart guy, he knows what he's at, & obviously feels he can get the job done here.

I can see why many are upset that the FW belt is getting dusty though, it doesn't seem fair to make others wait, in order to fulfil what is in essence a grudge match. If Conor's shot at a belt was being held up because the champ was off on a quest in other weight classes I know I'd be giving out about it, so yeah, I can see why there is upset over it. It is all money though at the moment, & exposure for the UFC. Being a business, they're simply exploiting something that's working well for them...not much that can be done about it unfortunately.

clever user name

So if this fight does happen, will it be main? co-main? Arguments for both I guess. Would be intriguing if it wasn't the main event though, simply because it would only be 3 rounds. Can't imagine many title holders would be best pleased to be knocked down the card for a non title fight.

All speculation of course, until its announced.

Cluiche iascairi

The belt is far from dusty lads. He won it 4 months ago. He could still defend it before the years out

Subcomandante Marcos

Cluiche iascairi wrote: »

The belt is far from dusty lads. He won it 4 months ago. He could still defend it before the years out

Not defending a belt because you're injured is one thing, not defending a belt but taking two other fights in the meantime is completely different. If this was someone else and McGregor was waiting for a shot this place would be in meltdown with fanboys crying over it.

Letree

LaGlisse wrote: »

Latest from Helwani
Says that reports of only a verbal agreement are not true, contracts have actually been issued.
Fight is happening at 170 because McGregor is a "wildman". He is obsessed that he lost to Nate at 170 and feels he should have won, wants the same rules as the first fight.
Reports that the fight as of yet is unconfirmed and still just a rumour are not true. When he says "in the works and targeted" the only reason he isn't saying it's official is because he has enough respect for the UFC to let them officially announce it. All parties involved want this fight.
Official announcement expected this week.

I think this is what those in the Gambling world refer to as chasing your losses. Fking insane.
Which Belt-Holders are going to want to fight on the undercard at 200? Let alone 2?

Edit: i will be shelling out though. But I can see how long term/serious fans/Current Champions and FW Challengers think this is a joke

It would be a good negotiating angle to get more $. I'm sure they will get paid well whoever it is.

BOHtox

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Not defending a belt because you're injured is one thing, not defending a belt but taking two other fights in the meantime is completely different. If this was someone else and McGregor was waiting for a shot this place would be in meltdown with fanboys crying over it.

The fight was offered to Frankie and Aldo and neither were available.

I agree McGregor should defend his belt and do so against Frankie but I don't buy the idea he's holding up the division. Especially as Aldo only managed to defend his title every 8 months on average.

However it will get a bit ridiculous if fights Diaz at UFC 200, then the LW champ at 203 or something like that. But at the minute it's fine

Swashbuckler

BOHtox wrote: »

The fight was offered to Frankie and Aldo and neither were available.

I agree McGregor should defend his belt and do so against Frankie but I don't buy the idea he's holding up the division. Especially as Aldo only managed to defend his title every 8 months on average.

However it will get a bit ridiculous if fights Diaz at UFC 200, then the LW champ at 203 or something like that. But at the minute it's fine

I disagree. He's fit and healthy to fight and this would be his second fight in a row outside the weight class he won the title in. He should be defending the belt.

newbbieb

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I disagree. He's fit and healthy to fight and this would be his second fight in a row outside the weight class he won the title in. He should be defending the belt.

I honestly think he gives up the belt if he fights Diaz again,and Frankie/Aldo fight for it at 200,or at least an interim belt.

Mellor

BOHtox wrote: »

The fight was offered to Frankie and Aldo and neither were available.

Neither was offer a 145lb title fight for UFC196. Conor simple couldn't make the weight on 10 days notice.

A FW title fight would have had to been push back to UFC 200 (or thereabouts). I'd be confident that both Aldo and Frankie would have been available had that been on offer.

Roar

The amount of shits I don't give about this fight. *sigh*

Diaz will beat him again.

The only sense it makes is a financial one - it's been clear that's all McGregor cares about anyway. Although without some excellent bouts on the main card I'd be surprised if it did the same business as the first fight.

I was massively excited about a clash between McGregor / Frankie Edgar. Not quite as excited about a potential Aldo rematch, but I would have preferred it to this.

Interest in 200 has gone from "stay up all night to watch it" to "watch it on facebook when I get up instead".

Ah well.

J Mysterio

Faugheen wrote: »

If McGregor really feels he should have won then he looks like an idiot. Diaz clocked him one and McGregor was gone from there. With that logic, you could say Mendes and Aldo should have beaten McGregor as well.

Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying Mendes or Aldo should have won.

You could also say that there is no fairness in granting McGregor a rematch for a loss when thr former FW champ did not receive the same benefit, never mind the geniune contender in Edgar.

Mellor

Roar wrote: »

Interest in 200 has gone from "stay up all night to watch it" to "watch it on facebook when I get up instead".

You were excited for a fight card with no fights announced.
But a potential fight between McGregor & Diaz, and you've lost all interest.
Seams a bit of a dramatic reaction.

Liam O

Mellor wrote: »

You were excited for a fight card with no fights announced.
But a potential fight between McGregor & Diaz, and you've lost all interest.
Seams a bit of a dramatic reaction.

OTT opinions with regards McGregor? Never...:p

Mellor

J Mysterio wrote: »

You could also say that there is no fairness in granting McGregor a rematch for a loss when thr former FW champ did not receive the same benefit, never mind the geniune contender in Edgar.

Aldo was medically suspended after the KO. His rants on Twitter was just posturing. He couldn't legally be licensed for an immediate re-match. Nor should his team have agreed to one.

Kev_2012

Frankie was given a shot at the FW title on his FW debut after 2 losses at LW, so he can't really say much about the UFC doing him over. He will get his shot.

With McGregor, it's a pride thing, he doesn't want to take the easy way out.

People must be delusional if they think Diaz would destroy him. After jumping 2 weight classes, he kicked the b*llocks out of Diaz in the first round, badly. Let's see how he gets on when he is more used to that weight class and does a lot more work on his groundwork. Send him in with Leinster or something doing rucking drills for some more all round fitness! :pac:

I think his movement now is the last thing he should be worrying about this time around.

Diaz is a tough nut and his JJ is great but let's not get silly here. His punching pattern is the exact same every time.

If Conor keeps up his oblique kicks and relaxes the pace a bit and doesn't go out all guns blazing, he will definitely beat him with a UD, if not knock him out in later rounds.

weemcd

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Frankie was given a shot at the FW title on his FW debut after 2 losses at LW, so he can't really say much about the UFC doing him over. He will get his shot.

With McGregor, it's a pride thing, he doesn't want to take the easy way out.

People must be delusional if they think Diaz would destroy him. After jumping 2 weight classes, he kicked the b*llocks out of Diaz in the first round, badly. Let's see how he gets on when he is more used to that weight class and does a lot more work on his groundwork. Send him in with Leinster or something doing rucking drills for some more all round fitness! :pac:

I think his movement now is the last thing he should be worrying about this time around.

Diaz is a tough nut and his JJ is great but let's not get silly here. His punching pattern is the exact same every time.

If Conor keeps up his oblique kicks and relaxes the pace a bit and doesn't go out all guns blazing, he will definitely beat him with a UD, if not knock him out in later rounds.

Lot of sense in this post!

RonanP77

What odds would I get on Nate pulling out with 2 weeks to go and Nick stepping in and winning?

DK224

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Frankie was given a shot at the FW title on his FW debut after 2 losses at LW, so he can't really say much about the UFC doing him over. He will get his shot.

With McGregor, it's a pride thing, he doesn't want to take the easy way out.

People must be delusional if they think Diaz would destroy him. After jumping 2 weight classes, he kicked the b*llocks out of Diaz in the first round, badly. Let's see how he gets on when he is more used to that weight class and does a lot more work on his groundwork. Send him in with Leinster or something doing rucking drills for some more all round fitness! :pac:

I think his movement now is the last thing he should be worrying about this time around.

Diaz is a tough nut and his JJ is great but let's not get silly here. His punching pattern is the exact same every time.

If Conor keeps up his oblique kicks and relaxes the pace a bit and doesn't go out all guns blazing, he will definitely beat him with a UD, if not knock him out in later rounds.

A+ post here

I can see a far more patient McGregor - having learnt the lesson he can't blow through heavier opposition by loading up on each shot - fighting a far more disciplined fight and picking Diaz off for a late stoppage. Big risk though!

As for the fight being at 170 again, one reason that hasn't seem to be mentioned much since the rematch rumours began is a possible fight with GSP.

We all know McGregor is more interested in making dollars than FW title defenses these days and a fight with a returning GSP would be a MASSIVE money fight. Add to the fact GSP was cage-side for the first fight and I can't help but think its a huge fight UFC want to make and is why they want McGregor to get past Nate at 170 rather than at 155 to make it happen

darced

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finglashoop

GSP would absolutely smash mcgregor.

All you mcgregor fans are mad. Diaz let mcgregor punch himself out. Hit him with one good punch and wobbled mcgregor.

Mc gregor doesn't have the chin for 170. Whether he was tired or not. If he cant take a punch from a heavier weighted fighter (nate is a 155er) and cant ko him hes in trouble. He may say he can go all day but he clearly cant.

Frankie can and has. Mc gregor is afraid of frankie wrestling the sh1t out of him.

TheNap

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Frankie was given a shot at the FW title on his FW debut after 2 losses at LW, so he can't really say much about the UFC doing him over. He will get his shot.

With McGregor, it's a pride thing, he doesn't want to take the easy way out.

People must be delusional if they think Diaz would destroy him. After jumping 2 weight classes, he kicked the b*llocks out of Diaz in the first round, badly. Let's see how he gets on when he is more used to that weight class and does a lot more work on his groundwork. Send him in with Leinster or something doing rucking drills for some more all round fitness! :pac:

I think his movement now is the last thing he should be worrying about this time around.

Diaz is a tough nut and his JJ is great but let's not get silly here. His punching pattern is the exact same every time.

If Conor keeps up his oblique kicks and relaxes the pace a bit and doesn't go out all guns blazing, he will definitely beat him with a UD, if not knock him out in later rounds.

You got to look at it from Diaz side aswel . He will be a lot lot better if they fight again . That was a Nate Diaz taken from his sofa into an Octagon .

Gamebred

finglashoop wrote: »

GSP would absolutely smash mcgregor.

All you mcgregor fans are mad. Diaz let mcgregor punch himself out. Hit him with one good punch and wobbled mcgregor.

Mc gregor doesn't have the chin for 170. Whether he was tired or not. If he cant take a punch from a heavier weighted fighter (nate is a 155er) and cant ko him hes in trouble. He may say he can go all day but he clearly cant.

Frankie can and has. Mc gregor is afraid of frankie wrestling the sh1t out of him.

McGregor afraid of frankie edgar yet went up to fight RDA then fought Diaz,you couldnt make it up usually fight week we see this kinda of stuff posted ROFL.

Mr. Manager

Gamebred wrote: »

McGregor afraid of frankie edgar yet went up to fight RDA then fought Diaz,you couldnt make it up usually fight week we see this kinda of stuff posted ROFL.

Neither of those are wrestlers. I think you're taking that guys point out of context.

Not saying it's true but Conor would get absolutely wrestle fucked by Frankie

Gamebred

Mr. Manager wrote: »

Neither of those are wrestlers. I think you're taking that guys point out of context.

Not saying it's true but Conor would get absolutely wrestle fucked by Frankie

In your opinion of course,In my opinion he would light frankie on fire and leave him unconcious,RDA is twice the fighter Edgar is,a hard hitter and better grappler,of course thats just my guess on how it'd go but anyone saying hes afraid of a wrestler is hilarious.