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UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

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    #182
    darced
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    #183
    evolving tipperary
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    darced wrote: »
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    Definitely not more of a McGregor fan - I've already posted that I don't see him beating RDA. As a UFC fan, I want to see more super fights - guys outside their comfort zone - Aldo is too conservative for that and Frankie had a spell at 155 - a successful one - before getting wiped by Benson. He didn't go up - he went down in weight.

    McGregor is doing exactly what I want to see - I want to see Weidman and Rockhold fight guys like Rumble, Jon Jones, or Cormier. I want to see Jon Jones fight Cain Velasquez or Werdum. I want to TJ or Cruz fight Aldo. Great fighters do that and it makes for exciting fights - i don't see many capable of it. I thought McGregor v Diaz fight was a great back and forth fight - I'd like to see it again, just for longer.

    I think Aldo's days are numbered - he's had enough. Doesn't have the same hunger or movement anymore - whether that's due to the years of fighting from a young age at an elite level or the new drug testing I'm not sure...

    So, I see your point, but I just disagree - I want Diaz and McGregor or McGregor and RDA...

    I can't see the UFC thinking that the Aldo rematch will generate anything near the money a fight with Diaz will... - Diaz is a decent draw - and full promotion will yield higher dividends...


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    #184
    Mellor
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    He was champion for close to ten years though.
    No he wasn't. It was 6 or 7 years.

    The UFC is not the WEC, but even if you include his WEC reign, its still less than over twice a year

    I'm aware Conor situation is different, but I'm only talking about the specific part I bolded. And was only injured for a small portion of the last 7 years.


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    #185
    Gamebred
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    Aldo is done,the boring fights he wasnt the same as WEC Aldo coasting to wins over nobodies on the world stage like Lamas,then Mendes came along and absolutely butchered his face for him put him down twice like we never seen before he was never going to be the same,


    The Usada comes in and the shadiest stuff Ive ever heard of happens with spilled samples and him calling the police on the tester absolutely far fetched,gets injured althought the only proof is an x ray that could be anybodys,he then gets hit with a peach ko'd still wakes up when he lands and gets put back asleep by a hammer fist,never mind the mental scars if anyone thinks hes coming back and going to be dominant I think your very naive.


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    #186
    raze_them_all_
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Aldo is done,the boring fights he wasnt the same as WEC Aldo coasting to wins over nobodies on the world stage like Lamas,then Mendes came along and absolutely butchered his face for him put him down twice like we never seen before he was never going to be the same,


    The Usada comes in and the shadiest stuff Ive ever heard of happens with spilled samples and him calling the police on the tester absolutely far fetched,gets injured althought the only proof is an x ray that could be anybodys,he then gets hit with a peach ko'd still wakes up when he lands and gets put back asleep by a hammer fist,never mind the mental scars if anyone thinks hes coming back and going to be dominant I think your very naive.

    Ya know, it's almost like a decade plus long fighting career takes a toll on your body


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    #187
    Gamebred
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Ya know, it's almost like a decade plus long fighting career takes a toll on your body


    Im not surprised Mother....



    They cant stay on a run like he did for ever and live happily ever after,the gym wars alone in nova unaoi not to mention weight cuts and hard life he had all contributed to his demise along with the fights,


    I'd love him to come back as him old self for the competitivness of the division but I dont see it.


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    #188
    RonanP77
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    Were we watching different fights?

    Wrecked him in the standup? Diaz was on top for about the last minute of the fight, he landed nicely and wobbled McGregor and was in control after that. Conor had the better of the standup prior to that. Diaz did prove he can take Conors shots alright but I wouldn't say he wrecked him.

    Molested him on the ground? He sunk in the choke and tapped Conor out alright, when he was already stunned from punches. McGregor did well when it went to ground in round 1 didn't he? Diaz is a black belt, Conor is brown so I'd expect Diaz to do better on the ground anyway but to say molested is a bit of a stretch. If a fight goes a few rounds of complete domination on the ground then you could say molested, not when there's 2 exchanges and each lad gets the better of 1.

    I'll agree with you on the Aldo thing, it was a freak result and if a rematch ever does happen, it will go very differently. We know Conor has the power to KO Aldo but I certainly wouldn't like to put any money on it. I could see Aldo winning.


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    themandan6611
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Im not surprised Mother....



    They cant stay on a run like he did for ever and live happily ever after,the gym wars alone in nova unaoi not to mention weight cuts and hard life he had all contributed to his demise along with the fights,


    I'd love him to come back as him old self for the competitivness of the division but I dont see it.

    I'd love if was any way humble and acknowledged McGregor's victory over him and the money he earned from it


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    darced
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    #191
    Gamebred
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    darced wrote: »
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    Looked ok to me in july with one knee ko'ing Mendes,dont think anybody even if they were roided up on EPO and swang bombs like he did v Diaz would last very long,


    Well Aldo wasnt in as much trouble as Conor so its not really comparible but you do realise Jose has tapped from a rear naked choke too in his career?


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    #192
    Easy Rod
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    darced wrote: »
    Aldo still wanted to fight on after getting knocked out twice unlike Conor who quit at the first sign of adversity.

    Where did Conors pre-USADA gas-tank from the Holloway fight go?

    Jesus Christ, have a look at what you're posting. Seriously.


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    darced
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    themandan6611
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    darced wrote: »
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    maybe 2 stone made a difference, maybe an over-confidence factor - one thing I feel is that JK and SBG are clean if that is what you are attempting to insinuate


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    #195
    themandan6611
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    darced wrote: »
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    That's not clever on Aldo's part, i would take how McGregor came back from his two previous losses as a sign of how he has dealt with adversity.

    Maybe 2 stone made a difference, maybe an over-confidence factor - one thing I feel is that JK and SBG are clean if that is what you are attempting to insinuate


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    #196
    themandan6611
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    darced wrote: »
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    That's not clever on Aldo's part, i would take how McGregor came back from his two previous losses as a sign of how he has dealt with adversity.

    Maybe 2 stone made a difference, maybe an over-confidence factor - one thing I feel is that JK and SBG are clean if that is what you are attempting to insinuate


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    darced
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    #198
    themandan6611
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    darced wrote: »
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    There is a big difference between the weight you walk around at and what you actually fight at

    you are basically, thinly veiled albeit, accusing someone of doping - forgot everyone else on the forum and don't run with the herd - if you have evidence then share it otherwise it is not the right thing to throw out. I am sure you would not like if someone made a baseless insinuation about you or a family member on somewhere like boards


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    #199
    Gamebred
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    That USADA debacle actually happened in Aldos gym,complete fact,unlike your claims of zero substance,ive not accused Aldo of anything I suspect it,you're using a loss after punching himself out and getting bet by a better fighter him as a reason to question him as a potential steroid user,which is fantasy stuff,


    We know your not a fan of his,its clear and you're not as bad as some of the muppets who come on here (some fishing,some just rotten with jealousy) but you're better than that come on.


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    evolving tipperary
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    darced wrote: »
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    As both Mosier and Aldo lost track of the sample while he was being detained, Mosier instructed that the sample be discarded. According to Guinty s letter, Mosier s capacity to test Aldo was called under further scrutiny before immigration officials allowed him to collect Aldo s sample the following day.

    The letter reads: Ben Mosier reported at 1:39 pm CDT to Chris Guinty that immigration control had been dispatched to his location to escort him out of the country. Ben Mosier continued to explain to present authorities that he had a valid work visa issued in 2012 (expiring 2022) from the Brazilian consulate in Chicago. The federal police officer continued threatening him with arrest and confiscation of his phone, and refused Ben access to his computer to demonstrate proof of his work related documents from the Brazilian consulate. Ben was told he will not be allowed to remain in Brazil for the test that is to occur with the Brazilian MMA Athletic Commission DCO on June 12. Brazilian immigration officials reported to the training facility and reviewed his paperwork and deemed he was allowed him to stay in the country and participate in the collection the following day. The immigration official advised if Ben returned to the country in the future he would need to pay an administrative fee to rectify his visa issue.

    After eventually being cleared to collect the sample, the letter stats that Mosier arranged the interaction to take place the next morning at the gym between 8.30 and 9.00 am. However, Aldo did not show up to the gym 11.40 local time as he was believed to be obtaining his US Visa to travel for his upcoming fight.

    Because of the delay, the letter highlights that Guinty expressed his concern about the time that had elapsed since Aldo had been notified of the test. Guinty s letter also indicates that Sampaio initially gave a strict deadline of 12.00 pm to insure the transport of the sample, but he then changed the deadline to 2.00 pm with no explanation provided as to why later time was now possible.

    Chris Guinty spoke with Christiano Sampaio about the importance of Aldo taking the test immediately, due to length of time that had elapsed from testing notification. Christiano Sampio (sic) advised at that time his deadline for shipping would be 12:00 pm local time to ensure the sample was transported via courier to the airport for flight to the United States. During continued wait for Jos Aldo to arrive to the training facility to commence collection process, Christiano Sampio later changed this shipping cutoff time to 2:00 pm local time, with no explanation provided as to why later time was now possible.

    Guinty highlights that the sample had to be collected twice as upon closing the beaker lid (Aldo) dropped the collection beaker and spilled the sample in

    its entirety," in his letter. He also claims that the Brazilian MMA Commission DCO, who was present throughout the sampling process, asked for an autograph and a picture with the featherweight king on the completion of the test.


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    #203
    evolving tipperary
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    We both know that whole fiasco is as dodgy as hell... and, we both know about the culture of doping in Brazilian MMA...


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    #204
    themandan6611
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    darced wrote: »
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    if you fight at a higher weight than what you normally do than you will carryt more muscle, muscle soaks up more red flood cells to move/function etc - I also, if you bothered to properly read my post, said that maybe McGregor took him for granted and wanted to bang him out.

    I never mentioned anything about Aldo - you put out a post insinuating that McGregor is doping, i replied to that (and that only) - I never said maybe Aldo was or isn't.

    I always thought you were a balanced MMA poster - not sure anymore.


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    Gamebred
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    themandan6611 wrote: »
    if you fight at a higher weight than what you normally do than you will carryt more muscle, muscle soaks up more red flood cells to move/function etc - I also, if you bothered to properly read my post, said that maybe McGregor took him for granted and wanted to bang him out.

    I never mentioned anything about Aldo - you put out a post insinuating that McGregor is doping, i replied to that (and that only) - I never said maybe Aldo was or isn't.

    I always thought you were a balanced MMA poster - not sure anymore.



    Come on Darcy you're better than this,we know you love a good anti McGoat debate but your pushing it now,reel it back in to slating his ground game or something debatable :pac:


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    darced
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    Gamebred
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    darced wrote: »
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    Be Honest,How did you celebrate Nate winning? Whiskey? Steak Dinner? Cigar?


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    darced
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    #209
    Easy Rod
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    darced wrote: »
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    Nothing you said was based on any kind of logic or fact. I assume you were being hyperbolic to defend Aldo but it was just pretty ridiculous in isolation.


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    #210
    weldoninhio
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    "evolving wrote:
    It's hardly a big deal - McGregor's already annihilated the guy who was beating everyone for ten years. I'm all for rematches - 13 seconds doesn't merit one - 8 years of being at the top? Okay. But, he got an opportunity to step up and Aldo didn't. Neither did Frankie.

    By that logic, RDA can turn around and say he's not fighting McGregor. Diaz has already anhiliated him and RDA took him apart. Let McGregor scrap it out with the other 155 contenders before he gets a shot at the title.


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    #211
    Mellor
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    By that logic, RDA can turn around and say he's not fighting McGregor. Diaz has already anhiliated him and RDA took him apart. Let McGregor scrap it out with the other 155 contenders before he gets a shot at the title.

    RDA might say that...if he hates money and doesn't care that his injury cost him millions.


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