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Munster vs Leinster buildup

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    #692
    connemara man
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You and Flouncer must either live together or be the same person!

    No I like Henshaw good step strong in defence a huge loss to Connacht if/when he goes In more ways than just on the pitch. His full range of talents being wasted at 12 for Ireland

    Flouncers views have never been a secret on the Connacht thread that's why I said that


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    #693
    CMOTDibbler
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    connemara man wrote: »
    No I like Henshaw good step strong in defence a huge loss to Connacht if/when he goes In more ways than just on the pitch. His full range of talents being wasted at 12 for Ireland

    Flouncers views have never been a secret on the Connacht thread that's why I said that

    I'm not sure that the full range of his talents would be that useful to Ireland if he played at full back (if that's what you're talking about).

    Henshaw is an excellent defender and is a strong player with ball in hand. Both of which would be drastically curtailed at full back. If you're talking about at 13m then there's possibly a case to be made but there he's competing with Payne and FitzGerald (Fitz being the most useful attacking option in that position imo) as well as possible up and comers like McCloskey, Olding and possibly Ringrose.


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    #694
    connemara man
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    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    I'm not sure that the full range of his talents would be that useful to Ireland if he played at full back (if that's what you're talking about).

    Henshaw is an excellent defender and is a strong player with ball in hand. Both of which would be drastically curtailed at full back.

    No he's a more natural 13 I would love to see him and McCloskey together. In the centre


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    #695
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    whatawaster wrote: »
    He is 22 and has been first choice for his country for the last year. Madigan is 4/5 years older and has never even been first choice for his province, barring injuries

    Whether it's 12. 13 or 15, I suspect he will be one of the first players on the teamsheet when fit.

    Well exactly. Just first choice for his country for a single year. When opportunity opened wide as we had two long term centre legends fade from the scene effectively together.
    Whereas Madser had Sexy in situ in both Leinster and Ireland with the MOC shambles bringing in J Gop (who I liked btw - equally as badly treated by MOC as Mads), and switching them every 10 minutes without a clue what he wanted either of them to do.
    Henchie is by no means cemented in the team at all, and pressure is there. I could see him drop out for a few years, then come back solidly as a full back as Gorgeous Rob declines.


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    #696
    ClanofLams
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Is anyone getting a bit of a Madigan feeling about Henshaw? Loads of talent but not really nailing down a fixed position and there are talented players coming through at 12, 13 and 15 meaning he might struggle to make a place his own.

    Not at all. Madigan has never been first choice for Ireland whereas Henshaw is one of the first names on the teamsheet (and has been one of our best players during that time) and will remain so going forward whether at 12/13, I suspect it will be the former sadly.


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    #697
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Not at all. Madigan has never been first choice for Ireland whereas Henshaw is one of the first names on the teamsheet (and has been one of our best players during that time) and will remain so going forward whether at 12/13, I suspect it will be the former sadly.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens with Henshaw in the Irish set up if McCloskey and Ringrose continue to develop the way they have this season. Maybe it won't happen in 2016 but sooner or later we could have two top quality specialist centres available for selection and it doesn't make a lot of sense to leave one out for a guy who is playing out of position. Of course Henshaw could also continue to develop and then you've got a real headache. I'd really like to see him moved back to 15 though, especially when Rob K is pretty much our only real option there for the foreseeable future.


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    #698
    The Lost Sheep
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Is anyone getting a bit of a Madigan feeling about Henshaw? Loads of talent but not really nailing down a fixed position and there are talented players coming through at 12, 13 and 15 meaning he might struggle to make a place his own.
    No and thinking that is nonsense. I don't see any ways how he will struggle to make a place of his own. He's a more natural 13 and only really played 12 with Ireland. Don't see how he isn't nailing down a fixed position and don't see how its an issue that he's playing across several positions
    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Well exactly. Just first choice for his country for a single year. When opportunity opened wide as we had two long term centre legends fade from the scene effectively together.
    Whereas Madser had Sexy in situ in both Leinster and Ireland with the MOC shambles bringing in J Gop (who I liked btw - equally as badly treated by MOC as Mads), and switching them every 10 minutes without a clue what he wanted either of them to do.
    Henchie is by no means cemented in the team at all, and pressure is there. I could see him drop out for a few years, then come back solidly as a full back as Gorgeous Rob declines.
    He was being groomed into the position. ODriscoll guiding him in his last season in Irish camp etc
    Henshaw is cemented in the team. Madigan is several years older and very different to RH
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see what happens with Henshaw in the Irish set up if McCloskey and Ringrose continue to develop the way they have this season. Maybe it won't happen in 2016 but sooner or later we could have two top quality specialist centres available for selection and it doesn't make a lot of sense to leave one out for a guy who is playing out of position. Of course Henshaw could also continue to develop and then you've got a real headache. I'd really like to see him moved back to 15 though, especially when Rob K is pretty much our only real option there for the foreseeable future.
    Henshaw isn't playing out of position though. He's every bit as much a centre as a full back.


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    #699
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Henshaw isn't playing out of position though. He's every bit as much a centre as a full back.

    He never plays 12 at Connacht, as far as I'm aware and I think maybe only started playing 13 there after Schmidt decided he was a centre. Could be wrong on the second part but he is technically playing out of position at 12.


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    #700
    connemara man
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    Henshaw started at 15 when Gavin Duffy got injured. Was earmarked as BODs successor started running lines in Ireland camp under the tutilage of BOD and Darcy. started playing 13 for Connacht and ended up playing 12 for Ireland this season has played FB for Connacht as we Lam didn't want to unsettle his current partnership.


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    #701
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Just to be clear now I don't have a problem with Henshaw in the centre I just wonder would he not be better utilised at FB given how hard up we (Ireland) are for players there and the potential wealth of talent we have coming up at 12 and 13. The same question arises if he goes to Leinster. Presumably he'd be eyed as a 12 in partnership with Ringrose. Which would negate the Irish question if he was actually playing 12 week in week out.


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    #702
    Blackclaret
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see what happens with Henshaw in the Irish set up if McCloskey and Ringrose continue to develop the way they have this season. Maybe it won't happen in 2016 but sooner or later we could have two top quality specialist centres available for selection and it doesn't make a lot of sense to leave one out for a guy who is playing out of position. Of course Henshaw could also continue to develop and then you've got a real headache. I'd really like to see him moved back to 15 though, especially when Rob K is pretty much our only real option there for the foreseeable future.


    Can think of many worse headaches, strong competition for all positions is the ideal would have thought, wish we had that problem at 9&10 although really think Luke McGrath could step up.


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    #703
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Can think of many worse headaches, strong competition for all positions is the ideal would have thought, wish we had that problem at 9&10 although really think Luke McGrath could step up.

    Competition is always a good thing but it would be a shame to have one of McCloskey, Ringrose or Henshaw, just for example, sitting on the bench all the time when it's possible to accommodate all 3 of them.

    Obviously that's assuming all 3 of them continue to progress the way they have been and nobody else comes along in the meantime and makes a better case to be picked and everyone is fit at the same time etc. etc.


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    #704
    pickarooney
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    We've full backs up the wazoo!


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    #705
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    We've full backs up the wazoo!

    International quality FBs who are actually played at FB?


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    #706
    pickarooney
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    International quality FBs who are actually played at FB?

    No, but we tend to field in average 4 per game, in and out if position.
    Payne, Henshaw and Zebo are all solid options. Madigan,Fitz and TOH can do a job there.
    We come back to Rob Kearney basically blocking everyone by being the incumbent and forcing Payne et al to play at centre for club and country.


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    #707
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    No, but we tend to field in average 4 per game, in and out if position.
    Payne, Henshaw and Zebo are all solid options. Madigan,Fitz and TOH can do a job there.
    We come back to Rob Kearney basically blocking everyone by being the incumbent and forcing Payne et al to play at centre for club and country.

    Payne and Henshaw I'd take as genuine options to replace Kearney but I don't think any of the rest of those names are genuine options if Kearney was long term injured. Even Payne isn't a realistic option in the long term given he's older than Kearney.


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    #708
    CMOTDibbler
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    No, but we tend to field in average 4 per game, in and out if position.
    Payne, Henshaw and Zebo are all solid options. Madigan,Fitz and TOH can do a job there.
    We come back to Rob Kearney basically blocking everyone by being the incumbent and forcing Payne et al to play at centre for club and country.
    Kearney isn't forcing Payne to play in the centre. People seem to forget that Payne played at centre for the Blues and Northland before moving to Ulster. Pat Lam was his coach at the Blues coincidentally.

    Robbie Henshaw is playing mostly at centre for Connacht albeit in the 13 jersey. FitzGerald hasn't really played full back since his school days and his early days at Leinster when Kearney was injured. His few later appearances at full back didn't go that well for him.

    Madigan can play full back in the same way that Zebo can; mostly harmless. Which leaves TOH, who is probably the best prospect really, but an untested one.


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    #709
    Pink Fairy
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    Leinster
    How's the preview of the Munster v Leinster game coming along.... We're getting a do-over right?


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    #710
    Zzippy
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Well exactly. Just first choice for his country for a single year. When opportunity opened wide as we had two long term centre legends fade from the scene effectively together.
    Whereas Madser had Sexy in situ in both Leinster and Ireland with the MOC shambles bringing in J Gop (who I liked btw - equally as badly treated by MOC as Mads), and switching them every 10 minutes without a clue what he wanted either of them to do.
    Henchie is by no means cemented in the team at all, and pressure is there. I could see him drop out for a few years, then come back solidly as a full back as Gorgeous Rob declines.


    Mod: Enough with the stupid nicknames. You're not 11 (presumably) and this isn't bebo. Text speak is not allowed, making up cringy nicknames as if you know the players is akin to text speak. Use their actual names in future please.


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    #711
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    cringy nicknames is akin to text speak.

    No it isnt. Text speak is abbreviation dropping vowels. Cringy nicknames are not forbidden.


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    #712
    Zzippy
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    No it isnt. Text speak is abbreviation dropping vowels. Cringy nicknames are not forbidden.

    Do not debate a mod instruction on thread or backseat mod.


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