MORE crap on the way.

Grizzly 45

Well we have an Irish chapter now. https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsUnitedIreland.
Please feel free to drop over and contribute or read up on the main web page www.firearmsunited.com

long range shooter

2500000 signatures so far,going the right way hopefully.

https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership/u/14509618?tk=HzceoK6cYdw_vSh7SwCxPtKS84ip75gRVMS3avwkk7Y&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

OzCam

I always tell people "the only stupid question is an unasked one" so forgive me if this sounds... silly.

Who's going to pay for all this? (Us, of course, eventually, but that's not what I mean). Has anyone actually scoped this out and worked out the costs in both time & money and who's going to do it?

Even considering airsoft as an example, there are millions of what Irish law calls Realistic Imitation Firearms in Europe. None of them have individual serial numbers. Who's going to serialise them? Who's going to keep track of the numbers? Are they all going to have a standardised number plate glued on? Where? Is every gearbox going to be serialised? Every inner barrel (they're just a 6mm brass tube)? Every outer barrel (that's just a low-temperature metal casting)? Every Pistol slide (half of them are plastic)? Every frame? Every spring?

Airsoft rifles alone run anything from €200 up to €3,000. If you've spent 2 grand on a PTW and another to get it working right, and 600 for 8 mags, you're not going to be happy to have it seized. Or mucked around with.

Is every museum piece going to have to be drilled and welded to hell? Even the pieces which are National Treasures in some countries?

If only we lived in a world where people proposing things like this had to bring actual proper evidence to support their idea, along with costed plans for implementation and ongoing operations. Sadly, we don't. And this draft hasn't been thought through.

Grizzly 45

Dec 2015 — Today DG GROW presented the proposal presented to EU parliament.

It was a first small victory for us. So many politicians have been contacted by our followers that they really read the proposal and asked interesting questions.

They did not connect terrorism with legal gun ownership.
They asked why EC did not made rules for deactivated guns as demanded by the Parliament in 2008, but waited until 2015.
They asked for the intention of the proposal.
They asked what will happen with legally acquired guns which EC wants to ban.
They asked for statistical data of misuse with legal guns.
They asked for liberty and freedom.

The battle is not over and won yet, they'll try again, but "our guys" are not giving up, and FIREARMS UNITED is vigilant!

You will find a link to the whole meeting on FIREARMS UNITED page in Facebook, also some highlights and a short clip.

We can tell you that Pierre DELSAUX, Deputy Director General, DG Grow, do not know anything about weapons. He really thinks that 3 rounds mean 31 bullets (at 2:27:38). And he doesn't know anything about gun crime. He really thinks every year 1000 people are murdered with legal guns. (some minutes later) We know from national criminal statistics and studies that between 3% and 22% were legal, mostly the (ex-) partner. You cannot stop partner killing by banning guns.

Last week the initiator of this petition Stijn Van Damn gave FIREARMS UNITED the petition as we have a team and he trust us. We hope you will trust us, too.

And please don't think we have won: inform your local politician, your parliament and MEP about the real facts. We have to persuade more than 370 MEPs to reject this proposal. You can see real facts on FIREARMS UNITED's homepage and open "Important Links".

Mississippi.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dec 2015 — Today DG GROW presented the proposal presented to EU parliament.

It was a first small victory for us. So many politicians have been contacted by our followers that they really read the proposal and asked interesting questions.

They did not connect terrorism with legal gun ownership.
They asked why EC did not made rules for deactivated guns as demanded by the Parliament in 2008, but waited until 2015.
They asked for the intention of the proposal.
They asked what will happen with legally acquired guns which EC wants to ban.
They asked for statistical data of misuse with legal guns.
They asked for liberty and freedom.

The battle is not over and won yet, they'll try again, but "our guys" are not giving up, and FIREARMS UNITED is vigilant!

You will find a link to the whole meeting on FIREARMS UNITED page in Facebook, also some highlights and a short clip.

We can tell you that Pierre DELSAUX, Deputy Director General, DG Grow, do not know anything about weapons. He really thinks that 3 rounds mean 31 bullets (at 2:27:38). And he doesn't know anything about gun crime. He really thinks every year 1000 people are murdered with legal guns. (some minutes later) We know from national criminal statistics and studies that between 3% and 22% were legal, mostly the (ex-) partner. You cannot stop partner killing by banning guns.

Last week the initiator of this petition Stijn Van Damn gave FIREARMS UNITED the petition as we have a team and he trust us. We hope you will trust us, too.

And please don't think we have won: inform your local politician, your parliament and MEP about the real facts. We have to persuade more than 370 MEPs to reject this proposal. You can see real facts on FIREARMS UNITED's homepage and open "Important Links".

Is there any way of seeing which MEP's asked the questions? and did any of ours speak up?

yubabill1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dec 2015 — Today DG GROW presented the proposal presented to EU parliament.

It was a first small victory for us. So many politicians have been contacted by our followers that they really read the proposal and asked interesting questions.

They did not connect terrorism with legal gun ownership.
They asked why EC did not made rules for deactivated guns as demanded by the Parliament in 2008, but waited until 2015.
They asked for the intention of the proposal.
They asked what will happen with legally acquired guns which EC wants to ban.
They asked for statistical data of misuse with legal guns.
They asked for liberty and freedom.

The battle is not over and won yet, they'll try again, but "our guys" are not giving up, and FIREARMS UNITED is vigilant!

You will find a link to the whole meeting on FIREARMS UNITED page in Facebook, also some highlights and a short clip.

We can tell you that Pierre DELSAUX, Deputy Director General, DG Grow, do not know anything about weapons. He really thinks that 3 rounds mean 31 bullets (at 2:27:38). And he doesn't know anything about gun crime. He really thinks every year 1000 people are murdered with legal guns. (some minutes later) We know from national criminal statistics and studies that between 3% and 22% were legal, mostly the (ex-) partner. You cannot stop partner killing by banning guns.

Last week the initiator of this petition Stijn Van Damn gave FIREARMS UNITED the petition as we have a team and he trust us. We hope you will trust us, too.

And please don't think we have won: inform your local politician, your parliament and MEP about the real facts. We have to persuade more than 370 MEPs to reject this proposal. You can see real facts on FIREARMS UNITED's homepage and open "Important Links".

RALMFAO.

We've just seen the birth of a EU NRA in response to an EU-wide hare-brained kneejerk initiative.

No politician can ignore 250,000 signatures.

Cameron received over 400k signatures on the UK Parliamentary petition website demanding he close the borders after Paris - they kept that quiet, didn't they? Now he is compelled by the numbers to debate it in parliament.

I'm not right-wing - I took a test that defined me as centre-right - so I don't feel the fear that Hollande, Merkel and other looney left semi-communists have of the rise of right-wing politics in Europe.

If Enda had brains he'd be dangerous, as his party is the most right-wing mainstream party in Ireland.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for FN, Pegida etc., but I AM laughing at the nightmares that Mogharini, Malmstrom and all the liberal bedwetters must be having.

Poland - right wing gov't just elected
Hungary - right wing gov't
Austria - right wing gov't
Denmark - semi right wing gov't
UK - right wing gov't

Today's big vote for Marine le Pen's FN in France - winning the largest share of votes in the local elections - should be the final wake-up call.

Maybe it's too late, because I feel there is something global going on: Chavez's oil-funded socialist experiment in Venezuela has lost out to the right, today's election results confirm.

Grizzly 45

Mississippi. wrote: »

Is there any way of seeing which MEP's asked the questions? and did any of ours speak up?

Certoinly!:)
http://audiovisual.europarl.europa.eu/Assetdetail.aspx?id=2697ab5f-818a-40f4-ba83-a5670125ed80.

Its not the full debate,but soundbytes of who spoke on what without the entertainment of our Dail comittee hearings high jinks.:rolleyes:
But you get the pertinent info without the blather.

Grizzly 45

yubabill1 wrote: »

RALMFAO.



If Enda had brains he'd be dangerous, as his party is the most right-wing mainstream party in Ireland.

In a parrallel universe maybe.This lot wouldnt know Left or Right wing if it popped out of the Dail jacks and bit them on their backsides! What we have here is PRETENCE of being Right or Left in Ireland not a strict adhesion to doctrine.
But then a people get the govt it deserves Ben Franklin once said.After flying his kite in a thunderstorm.

yubabill1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

In a parrallel universe maybe.This lot wouldnt know Left or Right wing if it popped out of the Dail jacks and bit them on their backsides! What we have here is PRETENCE of being Right or Left in Ireland not a strict adhesion to doctrine.
But then a people get the govt it deserves Ben Franklin once said.After flying his kite in a thunderstorm.

You're right - Ireland is too small a place for hard right or left to emerge.

Any mainstream party who pretended to be right wing in the upcoming election would walk it, though.

Just to add; I am not trying to big up any party.

Grizzly 45

Translation is a bit jerky,but well worth reading.


Dear colleagues,

As I write to you from the Czech Republic, I would first ask you to allow me to introduce my country.

In our republic the possession and carrying / guiding of firearms is lawful and guaranteed by law, as long as you, is of age and legally competent righteous. A firearms license is a "target rule", is to say, anyone who meets these requirements given by the law, has the right to grant this permission.

The approval of a Category B firearm must be granted to same way as the approval, may carry concealed these weapons. We possess handguns, we use them for target shooting, and we carry them for self-protection. We have semi-automatic rifles with a military appearance, we shoot in various sporting disciplines and competitions, and we train with them, if our beloved homeland needs citizens to defend this. Our hunting tradition extends well over a millennium back in our history, and our sports shooters rarely return without medals from Olympics home.

Our country is also the zehntsicherste country in the world (according to the Global Peace Index). Our violent crime rate is low (160 per 100,000), and the crimes with firearms are almost non-existent (5.8 per 100,000). In addition to Switzerland, whose tradition of belief in freedom, democracy and independence, we estimate consisting of high, our Republic stands as an example that only the strong will, the belief and the belief of the people needs that these values ​​are not negotiable, armed to a country and its population, to hold peaceful and free.

I am sure you are aware of the current situation. In response to the terrorist attacks in Paris that took place with already prohibited fully automatic weapons (and definitely illegal explosives), wants us to pretend, the European Commission, to protect the citizens of the European Union, by restricting the possession of legal weapons massively.

Among other things, the following restrictions are provided: the ban on semiautomatic firearms that are reminiscent in appearance of automatic weapons - which is a ban on weapons that were not used in the attacks in Paris, but from weapons that many of the military defense States are imported; the prohibition of firearms and semiautomatic firearms deactivated to decorative purposes (ie rendered useless as weapons) were, but remember in the appearance to automatic weapons; all the collections Decorative Weapons such would thus be illegal, with the possible exception of collections in museums, but this would be compelled to further disable its exhibits exceedingly irretrievably, thus permanently destroying its historical and cultural value; the prohibition or the reclassification of all other disabled firearms, accompanied by blank firing weapons, signal weapons, paintball and airsoft replicas and so on Category C firearms that would requires a permit so.

The Commission expects all Member States, these directives and instructions actually to be enforced - for Besipiel collect all thus prohibited firearms, to confiscate and destroy / scrap - for all this, the EU budget should, however, not be affected, which in turn means, that the individual Member States are forced even to pay for the compensation that would be incurred by the confiscation, or there is an expropriation without compensation.

Here I would like to entertain me with hunters and Olympic shooters. In the words of the European Commission itself: "We call for a ban on highly hazardous semiautomatic weapons in private ownership. The other semi-automatic firearms that are used to hunting and sporting purposes, must remain in the possession of individuals continue but subject to an authorization. "

In other words, the Commission would like that You say, "Wow, what luck - they do not come to take away my weapons!"

But please think it, just as it began with the draconian gun laws in England 1987: ban on semi-automatic weapons with a military appearance, because "it's not a sport weapon, it is not a hunting weapon. No one needs something. "I think that this example (be and many others to follow) very accurately illustrates how this politically incorrect" Black Rifles "are abused as a buffer before it a complete ban your hunting or sporting rifle and your pistol comes. Once only is the "Black Rifle" out of the way, you're next in line.

But I am convinced that hunters and marksmen are honorable and honest people who respect the law and regulations and are ready for their and the rights to stand on the other - and to throw not only quislings that to be pleased others before the wolves , as the European Commission might be right.

None of the above prohibitions and restrictions could have prevented the massacre in Paris.

But there is a loophole in the European Firearms Directive, a loophole that has allowed the terrorists to equip themselves with weapons that are prohibited for the private citizen for a long time. The European Commission claims that the firearms that were used in the massacre in Paris, neither were purchased as a legal fully automatic or semi-automatic weapons, yet they were smuggled from outside the EU, but they were bought as disabled Decorative Weapons and due to faulty deactivation standards they could be easily reactivated by the terrorists and to their original state.

However, this is contrary to the European Firearms Directive: Here is clearly described that deactivated firearms must be placed in an unhealthy state irreversibly.

Member States would have to adapt and implement the methods exactly to prevent this kind of events. But a certain country decides that it is sufficient to drive two steel pins through the barrel, which obviously was not enough. By the firearms policy was causing a common minimum consensus was found to deactivate weapons and implement would be to ensure that deactivated firearms actually will irreversibly unusable.

And the department whose duty and responsibility it was to make these common requirements for commitment and to assess their implementation and to ensure was ... the European Commission.

Yes, you read that right. Check it out yourself - DIRECTIVE 2008/51 / EC, Article 1/13 states:

"The Commission shall, in accordance with the procedure referred to in Article 13a paragraph 2 of the Directive, common guidelines for deactivation standards and techniques to ensure that deactivated firearms are permanently inoperable."

In the next paragraph we read:

"Member States shall bring the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive, not later than 2010 on 28 July in force. They shall forthwith communicate the text of those provisions.

When adopt these measures, Member States in this Directive or to this Directive accompanied by such reference on their official publication. The Member States shall determine how such reference.

This means that in five years, the Commission was aware of the problem and did nothing. Just last week, the Commission has hastily presented the new guidelines, thus boasting that they could thereby prevent another massacre - in the hope that people would overlook the fact that even the massacre in Paris could have been prevented if the Commission does not over five years knowingly their legal obligations would have neglected!

To our knowledge, the Commission is determined to impose its plans at any cost and as soon as possible. If we want to stop these plans, we need every vote.

What can you do?

Contact your interior minister and justice minister, and please ask them to express their doubts about the directive, pointing out that the sole unifying deactivation standards will have a positive impact on the security situation, while the rest of the new draft only a violation of the rights of law-abiding representing citizens.

Contact your Members of the European Parliament and beg you to contradict the directive, for the reasons mentioned above.

Just join the weapons law associations. Remember: It does not gun owners to support this important civil rights.

Should the proposal of the Directive yet to be enforced, would be willing to disobey. Yes. If the Commission intends to punish law-abiding citizens, not only for terrorist attacks and Crimes, but also for their own negligence, incompetence and inability to carry out their lawful duties, then we have every right to stop trying to be law-abiding, and peaceful but decided "no" to say. We are neither criminals nor terrorists. We are honest people who own guns to protect our lives, the lives of our loved ones and our country.

We have the moral right and the obligation to defend ourselves against such acts of injustice. I firmly believe that we prevail in the end, if we unite us rise up against this bureaucratic oppression.

On behalf of the LEX - The Czech Association for the Protection of weapons legislation,

David Karásek, spokesman

Translation from English by Melissa Burkhard.

Grizzly 45

Typical! Another group in Ireland plays can we throw someone else under the bus to save our skins.
Countryside Alliance Ireland.While doing commendable work with hunting and fieldsports has really missed the mark with the last paragraph of their statement for the EU.
"Semi-automatic rifles In the UK and Ireland .22 rim-fire rifles are an essential pest control tool. If the amendments are only designed to affect large calibre military style weapons I trust that small calibre sporting rifles will be excluded. "

In Ireland there are approxmately 160 or less semi auto rifles above .22 caliber used for hunting and target shooting.Virtually each and every owner of these rifles has been to court at least two or three times to fight for their right to use and liscense these firearms at great financial cost to themselves. Last year when the Gaurds and govt were proposing to ban all semi automatic rifles and semi shotguns and handguns from .22 caliber upwards CAI was one of the supporters of keeping these firearms liscensed.We therefore ask now why are CAI proposing that a minute amount fof firearms in Ireland but not so much in the EU should be fed to the wolves that others might survive?Make NO MISTAKE about this.The EU wants to ban ALL SEMI AUTO FIREARMS,irrespective of their caliber.This includes semi auto shotguns with "military features", .22 pistols and .22 rifles with military features. What a military feature could be is open to debate.The author has seen a magazine block on a shotgun being described as a "Military feature" in an Irish court by a police ballistics expert. firearms united Ireland demands that Countryside Alliance Ireland retracts that last paragraph from their statement and maybe reconsiders their position on this matter,when virtually ALL of Europes sportsmen and hunters are fighting to keep both styles of rifles in hunters and sportsmeans hands.

http://countrysideallianceireland.org/…/tell-europe-what-yo…

Cass

Are semi auto C/F not already banned in the UK? If so then it lessens the impact of their statement when they cannot get facts straight. Reminds me of the IFA (IIRC) talking about full auto firearms that were licensed in Ireland. :rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Thats how it does come across and its a shame on CAI,as they were [1] supporting these types of firearms last year,and [2] as a organisation that is supposed to be knowledgeable of legislative and revelant court events surrounding this legislation come out with this tripe.Not to mind it is just worded so sneakily that it gives plenty of people cause to say it just shows the typical FK you,Ill cut a deal to save MY guns" attitude at the expense of others organisation.:mad:

OzCam

They obviously didn't read the draft properly. It just says "semi-automatic", it doesn't mention any calibre.

Grizzly 45

Oh! They read the draft properly alright!:mad: Otherwise why would they be asking for an exemption for .22?? This is what groupthink gets you!

OzCam

Sorry, what I meant was that if the Directive says "semi-automatics" then that's all semis. There can't be an exemption in one Member State for a particular calibre because the Directive will be the new minimum standard. Or am I reading it incorrectly?

Grizzly 45

Please feel free to copy or use as you see fit.


Dear Sir
I was alarmed and disgusted to see the following offical statement from CAI on your Face book page yesterday in relation to semi auto rifles.

Semi-automatic rifles In the UK and Ireland .22 rim-fire rifles are an essential pest control tool. If the amendments are only designed to affect large calibre military style weapons I trust that small calibre sporting rifles will be excluded.

For your information there are appx 160 semi auto rifles in the Irish Republic, virtually all of their owners have been to court at least twice to fight for their licenses to own these guns. They are no more dangerous than any other firearm registered in Ireland.This was done at great financial cost to the owners themselves,and semi auto shoots are becoming ever pouplar in the Bullseye disiplines.

Frankly Mr Plant I am utterly disgusted with CAI to be issuing such a statement, it reeks of under handedness and almost confirms the suspicions of many semi auto rifle, and centre fire pistol owners in Ireland that we are the sacrificial lambs for the majority of shooters so they can keep their” politically and shooter approved” firearms.
I would expect such sentiments from someone with a triple barrel name in his knickerbockers and tweed and shirt and tie with his Purdy side by side pontificating about a world and ideals that belong in an episode of Dowton Abbey .IOW a world long gone these last 90 years. NOT from an organisation that is supposedly progressive,and a offspring from its UK parent,who knows only too well how"compromises and appeasement " works and was actively campaigning last year in Ireland with NARGC,SC and NASRPC to keep such firearms in the Irish shooters hands.

Also, might I point out we possess FIREARMS not weapons in Ireland or elsewhere. I suggest you look up the definition of both, nor do I own, or does anyone else own a “military style” [whatever the Heck that is] firearms. What I own is a so called Modern Sporting Rifle, that is mislabelled by the unknowing as an “assault rifle”. It might have the same action and system as a military assault rifle, but as we have proven in courts throughout Ireland. Form does not equal function A mistake I would not have expected of your organisation Sir, if it purports to represent me and my fellow modern sporting rifle owners.

It would also behove you Sir to get your organisation to check its facts about this EU ban. It WILL NOT be limited to just centre fire semi rifles, but ALL “military lookalike “ rifles in whatever calibre, all semi auto shotguns with “military features”. As well as ban many sporting 3 shot semi autos .We have had the example of a Garda ballistics expert describing in a court case in ,the magazine block on a shotgun as a "military feature for quick change of rounds between leathl and less leathl ammunition."
This would wipe out the UK s practical shotgun and IPSC sports and all handguns of.22 or greater calibre.
Not to mind adding further costs on us gun owners and even further repressive practises that your PR blurb missed. Things like a ballistic collection of all firearms cartridge cases, a prohibition of private online sales, even more intrusive medical and psychological tests every five years on gun owners .All that could be enforced yet your organisation chose to pick on evil black rifles ,in a manner that even reads conniving and utterly sly.

I would therefore earnestly suggest you actually reread your “advice” in the light of the above and retract it ,and modify it in the light that in fact modern sporting rifles in all calibres are the most sold firearm in the EU for the last decade, and that fellow shooting organisations in the EU have all come out sofa in favour of these types of firearms being owned by the general shooting public. It would be a shame for an Irish organisation to be seen as trying to cut deals behind everyone else back to save something that would work out as well for the UK Olympic pistol shooting team post Dunblane when they thought they could make deals with the Blair govt and save their elite Olympic sport. I hear the Zurich and Geneva is lovely at this time of year, as that’s where the UK Olympic pistol team train now. That’s what you get when you try and do deals with the devil!

I remain

Grizzly 45

OzCam wrote: »

Sorry, what I meant was that if the Directive says "semi-automatics" then that's all semis. There can't be an exemption in one Member State for a particular calibre because the Directive will be the new minimum standard. Or am I reading it incorrectly?

Correct on all counts! It would be EU law and there are no exemptions then.
all I can say is Thank whatever Gods there might be,that the very heavy lifter countries in this campaign have had the cop on not to try and exclude anyone from their groups.Even airsofters and paintballers are in this one ,with no one trying to cut deals on the side ,or are niave enough to think they can.Even Sweden and Finland hve had to modify their "we only want them for our military reserveists" stance,after a good lot of their reserveists threatned to resign!! Switzerland,Iceland are affected by this too, you dont have to be a full EU member apprently.Just signing up to Shenigen affects your country on these matters. Good luck EU with telling the Swiss to pony up their SIGS .:P

OzCam

Actually, and I stand to be corrected on this, it's wider than Schengen. The Directives apply to all countries in the European Economic Area.

If you want to sell into the EU, you have to sign up for EU Directives (a fact that Mr Farrage chooses to keep very quiet about). Switzerland isn't in the EEA but still has to sign up for EU laws under sectoral agreements, so it might as well be according to themselves.

EEA gets you access to the EU market, but with all of the requirements and standards and no say in how they're written.

Sikamick

Copied over from vcrai web site: http://www.vcrai.com/

History repeating itself

Reply to In the Bull, just been reading the article by (Simon Jester) on his face book page (https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsUnitedIreland/) worrying to say the least, the thin edge of the wedge and all that. Even more worrying is the fact that when the Irish shooting fraternity really need representation to maintain what we have, the shooting coalition is falling apart.

I didn't like the way the (Coalition) was set up, not as all inclusive as it should have been but was willing to sit back and let them at it. But once again it has turned out to be another disaster, self interest, cronyism and all that, the Irish way unfortunately.

Sikamick

Grizzly 45

Try this link:)
https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsUnitedIreland/

Sikamick

My bad, thanks Griz.

OzCam

At this week's European Council, David Cameron will call for "greater co-operation" and a halt to the traffic in "guns from the western Balkans".

Mr Cameron will also propose a "new EU-wide ban on all high-powered semi-automatic weapons".

Number 10 said that alongside a ban, measures would include greater sharing of ballistics data, a plan to improve intelligence about firearms in the western Balkans, action to take firearms out of circulation and a "clear implementation" plan for all member states.

Full article is at http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35086934

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Mr Cameron needs an EU story to distract attention from his plans to limit benefits for migrants being firmly rebuffed by the Poles the other day. :rolleyes:

And, oh look, there's a Draft Directive...

Grizzly 45

No more excuses. Heres a post card you can print off and give to your friends and fammily and gun club members who eshrew modern technology but want to support us or are just to lazy:rolleyes:
Print it out ,get them to sign it,and mail it . Feck it! Even provide the frakin PEN if you must.:eek:

Grizzly 45

They have been guided back onto the path of rightesouness!!:D

Semi-automatic rifles It is essential that legislation is evidence based and to legislate on the basis of what an article resembles, rather than what it actually does, makes for poor law. It should be noted that in the UK and Ireland .22 rim-fire rifles in particular are an essential pest control tool.

Grizzly 45

820 have signed the petition sofar in Ireland.We were beaten by Luxembourg and Lithunia last week.Yet we are above Canada!!:eek::).
Mad stuff Ted!Surely we can beat them next week??If we try??

Grizzly 45

Marian Harkin MEP replies;

Thank you very much for your email in relation to the proposed revision of the Firearms Directive by the European Commission. I have passed your email on to Marian and she is making enquiries into the nature and scope of the revision. When we have further information on the proposed revision we will revert back to you.

I would like to add, that the revision of the directive will have to come before the Parliament before it can be enacted into law. The lead committee on this directive is the Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection. Currently, there is no tentative timeline for the file but one will be issued in the new year. As I said already, Marian is making enquiries into the scope of the revision and when we have further information I will get back to you.

In the meantime, have a good day and a happy Christmas.

Kind regards,
Peter McGuigan
Parliamentary Assistant to Marian Harkin MEP
European Parliament

BattleCorp

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I got exactly the same reply, word for word.

hexosan

BattleCorp wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I got exactly the same reply, word for word.

Don't tell me you thought politicians write personal heart felt replays to each of us mere mortals that contact them.

Grizzly 45

N ope! But its intresting to read thhe exact same almost pro forma reply from them all.:rolleyes: