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Couple with six children killed in Palestine

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  • #302
    justanotherone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭justanotherone


    end of the road wrote: »
    i'm sorry to hear that. personally i fear them both equally

    No you don't.

    You support Islamic fundamentalists. You are the biggest cheerleader on boards.ie for Irelands worst Islamic fundamentalists ( since the artist formerly known as Liam Egan went off somewhere to do his jihad ).

    You support the Halawa family.

    Variously; The Halawa family support Sharia law. The Hawala family support the Muslim Brotherhood. They support CAGE, the support and facilitation and advocacy organisation for Islamic terrorists ( #withcage ). They had sympathy for an Isis supporting murderer. Their protests and rallies are segregate the men from the women. A gay person was infamously beaten up outside their mosque. They are Islamic fundamentalist loons of the highest order.

    You are not afraid of Islamic fundamentalists. You support them.


  • #303
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So, do you think the Arabs were right to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine?
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.

    What I was doing, was asking exactly where and when it was agreed "by all" in reference to the size of Gaza. You might have noticed that by the part where I said "So exactly where and when was it agreed by all that Gaza and the Arab controlled areas would be so much smaller, as seen here by 1967? Or here, by 2005?"


  • #304
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    No
    I really know very little about the Israel/Palestine conflict, but I've certainly seen reports of innocent civilians on both sides being killed, whether by soldiers, civilian violence or mis-aimed rockets.

    So in direct answer to the poll question, yes, people living near the border certainly have reason to fear the other side. People further away from the borders probably also have some reason for concern. It's a war.

    I am making no value judgments as to "right" and "wrong" - I happen to hold the strange and unconventional mindset that race and place of birth does not make anyone more or less deserving of being suddenly and brutally killed.


  • #305
    MakeEmLaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    No
    Billy86 wrote: »
    The blue part here is what was agreed on as being the Jewish state in 1949. All the red/pink parts were agreed to be for an Arab state.
    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So, do you agree that the Arabs were wrong to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine?
    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.
    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So, do you think the Arabs were right to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine?

    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.

    So you don't think the Arabs were right to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine, but you don't think they were wrong either?


  • #306
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So you don't think the Arabs were right to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine, but you don't think they were wrong either?
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.

    What I was doing, was asking exactly where and when it was agreed "by all" in reference to the size of Gaza. You might have noticed that by the part where I said "So exactly where and when was it agreed by all that Gaza and the Arab controlled areas would be so much smaller, as seen here by 1967? Or here, by 2005?"


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  • #307
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Your first point being the Israelis are a bunch of fascists that murder and torture Palestinians so they should just call an intifada and get it over with. I will never defend Israeli actions in the West Bank as they are illegal but the posters on here want to defend the indefensible. It is critical that the Palestinians restore order to areas under their control. As usual this situation just goes to show how disorganised and undeveloped the Palestinian state force really is.


    My first point was this, in response to "The Israeli troops are there to keep the peace between the settler community and the Palestinian community "

    I replied

    "Ahhh dear. Ye have a sense of humour at least.
    http://www.btselem.org/topic/settler_violence

    The chance that a complaint submitted to the Israel Police by a Palestinian will lead to an effective investigation, the location of a suspect, prosecution, and ultimate conviction is just 1.9 percent.
    http://www.yesh-din.org/infoitem.asp?infocatid=704

    Please at least read the second link. "

    Did you read the 2nd link?


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97286685&postcount=228


  • #308
    MakeEmLaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    No
    Billy86 wrote: »
    The blue part here is what was agreed on as being the Jewish state in 1949. All the red/pink parts were agreed to be for an Arab state.
    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So, do you agree that the Arabs were wrong to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine?
    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.
    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So, do you think the Arabs were right to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine?
    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.
    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    So you don't think the Arabs were right to reject the 1947 U.N. General Assembly resolution for Palestine, but you don't think they were wrong either?
    Billy86 wrote: »
    No, but that's an exceptionally poor attempt to twist someone's words. Please at lease use a little more nuance in future.

    Boards.ie should reconsider allowing functionally retarded people to use their site.

    A good method of detection would be copying and pasting the same stupid comment three fucking times (complete with glaring spelling error).


  • #309
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,077 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Samaris wrote: »
    I am making no value judgments as to "right" and "wrong" - I happen to hold the strange and unconventional mindset that race and place of birth does not make anyone more or less deserving of being suddenly and brutally killed.

    Why not judge people on their actions?

    Nobody here is judging people by their race or religion?

    But do you see what is wrong with a colonial project driving the natives off their homeland?


  • #310
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    No
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Why not judge people on their actions?

    Nobody here is judging people by their race or religion?

    But do you see what is wrong with a colonial project driving the natives off their homeland?

    I answered the poll question. Whichever side you support, it is ordinary people who are being killed. What specific actions has a kid taken that meant he deserved to be hit by a rocket? Or a bridal party? They were most likely born there.

    War is war. It's **** on both sides for the people living nearby.

    As an afterthought, I probably should include something in here; from my position of very limited knowledge, I have sympathy for both sides, a bit more so at this point for Palestine. But I have no idea what the solution is,


  • #311
    justanotherone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭justanotherone


    Originally Posted by Nodin

    Regarding the murder of parents of 6 children. "I'm not comfortable with it happening in front of the children, but after that, no, I'm not pushed. They're colonists, they're in an occupied zone."

    http://aussie-site.com/viewforum.php?f=7

    "Palestine/Israel
    Moderators: PoliticalPuppet, Nodin, BORG"

    LOL !


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  • #312
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Boards.ie should reconsider allowing functionally retarded people to use their site.

    A good method of detection would be copying and pasting the same stupid comment three fucking times (complete with glaring spelling error).
    Nice of you to show your true colours, though they were glaringly obvious from your desperate attempts to twist my words. You seem more than a little frustrated here. :pac:

    EDIT: Hadn't even noticed the infraction!


  • #313
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,077 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Samaris wrote: »
    I answered the poll question. Whichever side you support, it is ordinary people who are being killed. What specific actions has a kid taken that meant he deserved to be hit by a rocket? Or a bridal party? They were most likely born there.

    War is war. It's **** on both sides for the people living nearby.

    As an afterthought, I probably should include something in here; from my position of very limited knowledge, I have sympathy for both sides, a bit more so at this point for Palestine. But I have no idea what the solution is,

    In some cases it is ordinary civilians being killed, but in the situation in question, those so-called civilians were criminals under international law who were part of Israel's ethnic cleansing machine.


  • #314
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    No
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    In some cases it is ordinary civilians being killed, but in the situation in question, those so-called civilians were criminals under international law who were part of Israel's ethnic cleansing machine.

    Including the six kids, yeah?


  • #315
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,904 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    justanotherone wrote: »
    Supporting the murder of innocent human beings, leaving 6 children orphaned ?

    SICK

    Supporting a regime that blew hospitals, schools, homes and creches apart while the children and patients were inside is equally SICK.


  • #316
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Samaris wrote: »
    Including the six kids, yeah?

    Awful what those children had to witness. It was murder plain and simple as there parents were unarmed.

    Still, it has to be noted that there parents put themselves and more importantly there children in danger by deciding to join the criminal and violent settlement enterprise.

    Remember a few week ago, a Palestinian family home was burned by settlers, which resulted in a baby being burnt to death (the babies mother died later as well sadly), and the Israeli authorities have still not arrested anyone. That is one example of violence, as the entire settlement enterprise like any other is inherently a violent one.

    As we have seen when its the other way around, suspects were quickly arrested and tortured, and apparently there family homes will be destroyed, despite the lack of any trial.


  • #317
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    wes wrote: »
    Remember a few week ago, a Palestinian family home was burned by settlers, which resulted in a baby being burnt to death (the babies mother died later as well sadly), and the Israeli authorities have still not arrested anyone. That is one example of violence, as the entire settlement enterprise like any other is inherently a violent one.
    Look, "wes", we have been over this before. Crimes against Muslims do not count for a lot of people on AH. Otherwise, it would make it too difficult to dehumanise them. It's only when Muslims commit crimes that attention should be paid.


  • #318
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Samaris wrote: »
    Including the six kids, yeah?
    Well look at it this way, if it's the IDF or Zionist settlers attacking a family there are no orphans. Because they kill the children too.


  • #319
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    Samaris wrote: »
    Including the six kids, yeah?

    None of the kids were killed which is in contrast to the 500+ innocent kids slaughtered at the hands of the IDF not to mention the more recent shooting dead of unarmed teenagers and the burning ALIVE of a 6 month old child.


  • #320
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    No
    Which were horrific, terrible acts.

    But this isn't a tit for tat (well, it IS, but there's no point us from outside looking at it from that point of view).

    The original poll question was do Israelis have reason to fear Palestinian violence. My answer is of course they bloody well do, as the Palestinians have reason to fear Israeli violence. Because it's a -warzone-.

    I grant my original comment was a bit more smug sounding than I really intended.

    Just..there isn't really a sane answer to Israel/Palestine. Not from outside.


  • #321
    MakeEmLaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    No
    davmol wrote: »
    The burning ALIVE of a 6 month old child.

    Was that done by the IDF? Or sanctioned by the Israeli government?


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  • #322
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Was that done by the IDF? Or sanctioned by the Israeli government?

    Given the protection afforded to settlers it might as well be. Thank feck no Palestinian replied in kind or there'd be scores dead by now.


  • #323
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Was that done by the IDF? Or sanctioned by the Israeli government?
    http://www.yesh-din.org/hottopview.asp?postid=29
    Unless you're telling me the IDF aren't under the control of the Israeli government now?


  • #324
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    No
    wes wrote: »
    Awful what those children had to witness. It was murder plain and simple as there parents were unarmed.

    Still, it has to be noted that there parents put themselves and more importantly there children in danger by deciding to join the criminal and violent settlement enterprise.

    Remember a few week ago, a Palestinian family home was burned by settlers, which resulted in a baby being burnt to death (the babies mother died later as well sadly), and the Israeli authorities have still not arrested anyone. That is one example of violence, as the entire settlement enterprise like any other is inherently a violent one.

    As we have seen when its the other way around, suspects were quickly arrested and tortured, and apparently there family homes will be destroyed, despite the lack of any trial.



    Victim blaming stoops to a new low.


  • #325
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Boring username wrote: »
    Victim blaming stoops to a new low.

    What? They weren't settlers?


  • #326
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Boring username wrote: »
    Victim blaming stoops to a new low.

    How so? Settler colonialism is a dangerous activity. No different than the nutters going to join IS in Iraq. Even if you are not directly involved in fighting, you are putting yourself in danger. Basically there engaging in criminal activity, which is quite frankly a dangerous thing to do.

    You can pretend that settlement expansion is a peaceful activity, but the reality is that its violent and as such incredibly dangerous activity. Settler choose to go live the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. They are putting themselves and sadly also in many cases there children in danger.


  • #327
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,471 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Boring username wrote: »
    Victim blaming stoops to a new low.
    in fairness the pro israel people have those who use victim blaming

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #328
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    No
    Well the Hamas leader in Gaza has just declared an intifada, so expect more butchery and mindless violence:
    Hamas’s leader in Gaza has declared the current unrest in Jerusalem and the West Bank an intifada, as six Palestinians were shot dead protesting at the border fence, further raising the stakes after a week of escalating violence.

    The comments by Ismail Haniyeh contradicted recent remarks by Fatah’s leadership, including the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas. There has been increasingly widespread use of the hashtag #intifada on Palestinian social media.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/hamas-leader-gaza-declares-intifada-deadly-attacks-continue


  • #329
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Boring username wrote: »
    Well the Hamas leader in Gaza has just declared an intifada, so expect more butchery and mindless violence:



    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/hamas-leader-gaza-declares-intifada-deadly-attacks-continue


    Your concern for the six Palestinian dead is noted.


  • #330
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Samaris wrote: »
    Just..there isn't really a sane answer to Israel/Palestine. Not from outside.

    There is though really. The rest of the world should ostracise Israel from the world stage as it did with South Africa until the Israelis withdraw to their own border.

    And maybe to take a leaf out of Likud's book, the Palestinians should build a wall along the green line to make sure no Israelis can cross it to illegally squat on Palestinian land. :pac:

    Anyone who find that idea appalling, I take it you also find Israel's wall appalling?


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  • #331
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    justanotherone wrote: »
    Supporting the murder of innocent human beings, leaving 6 children orphaned ?

    SICK

    As I mentioned earlier, I don't support the killing of any human being for any reason, but if you believe that military targets are acceptable (I take it you do, if you're more of an anti-killing purist like myself then I apologise) then how do you justify labelling settlers as civilians? They form part of an occupying invasion force just by being present there.

    You don't have to wield a gun or wear a uniform to commit violence. Stealing somebody's property by force is violence in and of itself.


  • #332
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Boring username wrote: »
    Well the Hamas leader in Gaza has just declared an intifada, so expect more butchery and mindless violence:



    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/hamas-leader-gaza-declares-intifada-deadly-attacks-continue

    Do they ever learn? They're just hurting themselves, as no one cares.


  • #333
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    No
    Keep going lads I suggest Nodin and Dan take the rest of the anti-Semites out to Palestine to show their support to their brothers in arms!

    MOD: User taking a few days off for continually ignoring mod instruction not to insult people.


  • #334
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Do they ever learn? They're just hurting themselves, as no one cares.

    Well if they do nothing they die anyway.


  • #335
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well if they do nothing they die anyway.
    Clearly that is what a good few people think they should do, though. Just shut up and die. It`s their own fault for being Muslim, they had it coming.


  • #336
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No
    davmol wrote: »
    neither side have ever declared war with eachother.

    Really?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict

    You should probably let them know that.
    davmol wrote: »
    What is happening is a country which receives billions of dollars in military aid each year is slaughtering innocent children who are impoverished and have nothing.

    Its a slaughter and massacre which is one sided not a war.Settlers on stolen land=fair game

    What about the Israeli school children blown up in school buses by Hamas? What about the infants that have their heads crushed by Palestinian youths throwing bricks at the windows of oncoming cars?


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  • #337
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No
    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    As I mentioned earlier, I don't support the killing of any human being for any reason, but if you believe that military targets are acceptable (I take it you do, if you're more of an anti-killing purist like myself then I apologise) then how do you justify labelling settlers as civilians? They form part of an occupying invasion force just by being present there.

    You don't have to wield a gun or wear a uniform to commit violence. Stealing somebody's property by force is violence in and of itself.

    They're not part of the military-complex, they don't come under military law, they're not military targets. Regardless how of you feel about them as people (I, personally, dislike settlers and I know a great many Israelis who hate them too), they're still civilians.


  • #338
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No
    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    There is though really. The rest of the world should ostracise Israel from the world stage as it did with South Africa until the Israelis withdraw to their own border.

    That worked out so well the previous two times they did it. It's not like Jordanians and Egyptians and Palestinians immediately began low-level armed crossings and then raping and murdering their civilians or anything. It's not like Egyptians and Jordanians and Palestinians and Syrians tried to rush the border to destroy the Israelis.
    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    And maybe to take a leaf out of Likud's book, the Palestinians should build a wall along the green line to make sure no Israelis can cross it to illegally squat on Palestinian land. :pac:

    Anyone who find that idea appalling, I take it you also find Israel's wall appalling?

    It's easy to be facetious, but that simply isn't going to happen. Hamas won't give up until all of Israel/Palestine comes under their control, and Israel isn't going to give up its Statehood.

    There's no easy answer to this conflict.


  • #339
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They're not part of the military-complex, they don't come under military law, they're not military targets. Regardless how of you feel about them as people (I, personally, dislike settlers and I know a great many Israelis who hate them too), they're still civilians.

    I don't agree. They moved into the areas beyond the 1967 borders as the Israeli army forced out the Palestinians who were living there, and they formed the occupying body. If that doesn't make them part of the military complex I don't know what does.


  • #340
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well if they do nothing they die anyway.

    A disorganised mob will only encourage Israeli wrath. Your early posts are full of Palestinian stories of heartache and police brutality. Everyday Israeli's live in constant insecurity. The gvt is one of National Unity all the time. Will a terrorist pop up in Tel Aviv, big nations like Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey all have Muslim populations greatly dissatisfied with how they treat Arabs.

    The Palestinian authorities have to reclaim the moral standard of which so many Nations around the world stick up for them. Behaving like this will get them nowhere and being suck into Islamism will only cancel any peace deal. The Oslo Accords are already on the rocks and so much harm has been done with the rise of Islamaphobia around the world. These outrageous acts of anti Zionism will erode any support they have.


  • #341
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well if they do nothing they die anyway.

    The rapidly increasing population of palestinians suggests otherwise.


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  • #342
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    What about the infants that have their heads crushed by Palestinian youths throwing bricks at the windows of oncoming cars?

    ....you've examples of this?

    I might add that Israel was colonising the OT long before Hamas or the suicide bomb.


  • #343
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    The rapidly increasing population of palestinians suggests otherwise.

    ....my point being that Israeli violence is not caused by Palestinian violence but by its occupation of the territories and their colonisation.


  • #344
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,471 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Really?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict

    You should probably let them know that.

    all those started after israely aggression
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    What about the Israeli school children blown up in school buses by Hamas? What about the infants that have their heads crushed by Palestinian youths throwing bricks at the windows of oncoming cars?

    if any of those happened they would have been 1 incident for each and a one off

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #345
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No
    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I don't agree.

    Oh, well that changes the facts entirely :rolleyes:
    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    They moved into the areas beyond the 1967 borders as the Israeli army forced out the Palestinians who were living there, and they formed the occupying body. If that doesn't make them part of the military complex I don't know what does.

    Being part of the military, for one.
    Nodin wrote: »
    ....you've examples of this?

    I might add that Israel was colonising the OT long before Hamas or the suicide bomb.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_stone-throwing
    On 24 February 1989, a cement block was dropped from a rooftop by a Fatah activist, Samir Na’neesh, onto the head of Staff Sergeant Binyamin Meisner, while he was patrolling the casbah in Nablus. The block crushed his skull, killing him.[193]
    On 5 June 2001, Yehuda Shoham, a 5-month-old baby, was killed when a rock hurled by stone-throwing Palestinians crashed through the window of the car he was riding in, crushing his skull.[194]
    On 23 September 2011, Asher (25) and Yonatan Palmer (1) were killed when the car Asher was driving was attacked by stone-throwing Palestinians, causing it to crash killing him along with his infant son.[195]
    On 14 March 2013,[196] the Biton's family car was attacked, near neighboring village of Kif el-Hares, with stones which caused it to get out of control and collide with a truck. Adele Biton was critically injured along with her mother and 3 sisters who were moderately injured, and died two years later.[197]
    On 14 September 2015 Alexander Levlovich (64) died early morning after Palestinian attackers pelted the road he was driving on with rocks as he was returning home from a dinner celebrating Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year.[198][199]


  • #346
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No
    end of the road wrote: »
    all those started after israely aggression

    The Yom Kippur War, when the Arabs invaded Israel during the middle of a celebration was in response to Israeli aggression?

    Have you ever even actually read a book on this subject?


  • #347
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    .............



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_stone-throwing

    So it happened once, and - barring x-ray vision - the rock was thrown at the car rather than the infant.

    Might I ask - what is your opinion of the settlements in the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem etc?


  • #348
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....my point being that Israeli violence is not caused by Palestinian violence but by its occupation of the territories and their colonisation.

    Well a certain amount of the Israeli reaction is caused by Palestinian violence but I do agree that the illegal land-grabs, illegal building, destruction of crops and orchards, provocations and "taggings" by settlers amongst other things are a severe provocation.

    Killing settlers is not going to help the palestinian cause though, that's got to be pretty obvious.


  • #349
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No
    Nodin wrote: »
    So it happened once, and - barring x-ray vision - the rock was thrown at the car rather than the infant.

    And that somehow justifies it or absolves them of guilt?
    Nodin wrote: »
    Might I ask - what is your opinion of the settlements in the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem etc?

    I oppose it, the majority of settlers are scum of the earth. That doesn't mean you can turn a blind eye to the violence of the Palestinians, as you and most people on your side of the fence are wont to do.


  • #350
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Well a certain amount of the Israeli reaction is caused by Palestinian violence but I do agree that the illegal land-grabs, illegal building, destruction of crops and orchards, provocations and "taggings" by settlers amongst other things are a severe provocation.

    An occupation mounted to enable colonisation must be, by its very nature, violent. They aren't there to keep the peace, they are there to subdue.


  • #351
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    And that somehow justifies it or absolves them of guilt?.


    It places your claim in its proper context.

    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I oppose it, the majority of settlers are scum of the earth. That doesn't mean you can turn a blind eye to the violence of the Palestinians, as you and most people on your side of the fence are wont to do.

    The Palestinians are being colonised and are denied legal recourse. As a result resistance armed and otherwise against the occupation is fully justified. Why anyone would think otherwise often suprises me.


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