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A treatise on Mick Wallace

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    #152
    mynamejeff
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    his socialist left wing ideals didn't stop him parking the wexford youths bus across the gates of the car park last week to stop travellers getting in after the funerals there last week

    what a hero


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    #153
    Thelomen Toblackai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    The man scaled a fence to get into an airport to inspect US military planes.

    I'll be voting for him.


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    #154
    Seth Brundle
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    The man scaled a fence to get into an airport to inspect US military planes.

    I'll be voting for him.
    Excellent reason to choose a legislator
    :rolleyes:


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    #155
    Thelomen Toblackai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    kbannon wrote: »
    Excellent reason to choose a legislator
    :rolleyes:

    The fact he's actually willing to get his hands dirty when following up on his belief that something isn't right ? I think it's a pretty good reason to chose a representative.


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    #156
    Seth Brundle
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    Yeah, his hands got dirty alright!
    Did he ever pay back him employees pension contributions?

    It's gas that the people of Wexford elected a property developer that had difficulty in paying off his loans and think he is somehow different from those thathat frequented the FF tent!


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    #157
    alan partridge aha
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Yeah, his hands got dirty alright!
    Did he ever pay back him employees pension contributions?

    It's gas that the people of Wexford elected a property developer that had difficulty in paying off his loans and think he is somehow different from those thathat frequented the FF tent!

    Plus gave himself and his son a huge salary increase when he knew his company was fu5ked, real nice fella alright.


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    #158
    Thelomen Toblackai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    kbannon wrote: »
    Yeah, his hands got dirty alright!
    Did he ever pay back him employees pension contributions?

    It's gas that the people of Wexford elected a property developer that had difficulty in paying off his loans and think he is somehow different from those thathat frequented the FF tent!

    It's gas how people seem to have lost the ability to understand anything but labels. Because he was a developer he shouldn't be a TD ? Should we line them all up and stone them of something ?

    I don't know what he did with his business, I won't be voting for him based on his business I'll be voting for him based on what he does in the Dail. I find it strange you had a pop at me for my reasons for voting for someone while you seem to consider a TD's personal business more important than their actions and contribution while in office.

    We all know why every single TD runs for office. The reason people voted for Wallace and the reason I will vote for him next time is because he offered something different to party politics for Wexford where the options were traditionally FG/Lab/FF/SF. He also had a high profile, has always been active on issues even as a developer. He's someone that's very useful on the opposition bench. And he's also contributed a lot to the Wexford community.

    So you can scoff and look down on the people of Wexford all ya like thinking you're somehow superior for uncovering the truth that he was a developer who's business went under. Genius! Why couldn't we poor dopes in Wexford learnded that ?

    But it doesn't change facts. He was elected by the people of Wexford, he has been a valuable member of the Dail and served the people of Wexford well and the people as far as I see will respond by voting for him again.

    I'm sorry this democratic process and the freedom for voters to decided for themselves what they value in a representative upsets you so much...


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    #159
    Godge
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    It's gas how people seem to have lost the ability to understand anything but labels. Because he was a developer he shouldn't be a TD ? Should we line them all up and stone them of something ?

    I don't know what he did with his business, I won't be voting for him based on his business I'll be voting for him based on what he does in the Dail. I find it strange you had a pop at me for my reasons for voting for someone while you seem to consider a TD's personal business more important than their actions and contribution while in office.

    We all know why every single TD runs for office. The reason people voted for Wallace and the reason I will vote for him next time is because he offered something different to party politics for Wexford where the options were traditionally FG/Lab/FF/SF. He also had a high profile, has always been active on issues even as a developer. He's someone that's very useful on the opposition bench. And he's also contributed a lot to the Wexford community.

    So you can scoff and look down on the people of Wexford all ya like thinking you're somehow superior for uncovering the truth that he was a developer who's business went under. Genius! Why couldn't we poor dopes in Wexford learnded that ?

    But it doesn't change facts. He was elected by the people of Wexford, he has been a valuable member of the Dail and served the people of Wexford well and the people as far as I see will respond by voting for him again.

    I'm sorry this democratic process and the freedom for voters to decided for themselves what they value in a representative upsets you so much...

    You are fully entitled to elect whoever you want as your TD. That is the beauty of the electoral system. Tipperary have been doing it for years electing Lowry time and again.

    However, you wouldn't find me voting for a politician who dodged taxes, didn't pay his employees' pension contributions and awarded himself big pay rises, but that's just me, you can do what you like.


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    #160
    mynamejeff
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    It's gas how people seem to have lost the ability to understand anything but labels. Because he was a developer he shouldn't be a TD ? Should we line them all up and stone them of something ?

    I don't know what he did with his business, I won't be voting for him based on his business I'll be voting for him based on what he does in the Dail. I find it strange you had a pop at me for my reasons for voting for someone while you seem to consider a TD's personal business more important than their actions and contribution while in office.

    We all know why every single TD runs for office. The reason people voted for Wallace and the reason I will vote for him next time is because he offered something different to party politics for Wexford where the options were traditionally FG/Lab/FF/SF. He also had a high profile, has always been active on issues even as a developer. He's someone that's very useful on the opposition bench. And he's also contributed a lot to the Wexford community.

    So you can scoff and look down on the people of Wexford all ya like thinking you're somehow superior for uncovering the truth that he was a developer who's business went under. Genius! Why couldn't we poor dopes in Wexford learnded that ?

    But it doesn't change facts. He was elected by the people of Wexford, he has been a valuable member of the Dail and served the people of Wexford well and the people as far as I see will respond by voting for him again.

    I'm sorry this democratic process and the freedom for voters to decided for themselves what they value in a representative upsets you so much...

    Are you from wexford ? if so why didnt you vote for him first time around.

    what is it that wallace actually did for the people of wexford ?
    wexford youths is it ?
    he is a crook who when it looked like he was getting caught put everything in his brothers name where it still is.
    isnt it fair to say that honesty and integrity are important in a public rep ?
    if wallace was those things he would at least pay back the money that he stole from his frankly massive TDs pay packet
    instead h involves himself in publicity stunts like breaking into a airport to "inspect " a empty airplane
    DOPE


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    #161
    ancapailldorcha
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    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Plus gave himself and his son a huge salary increase when he knew his company was fu5ked, real nice fella alright.

    Tone down the language please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #162
    toptom
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    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Plus gave himself and his son a huge salary increase when he knew his company was fu5ked, real nice fella alright.

    I wasn't aware of that but iv no doubt its true, Always knew he wasnt right but thats low.
    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    The fact he's actually willing to get his hands dirty when following up on his belief that something isn't right ? I think it's a pretty good reason to chose a representative.

    Its a pretty good reason to see that he is a criminal.


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    #163
    Thelomen Toblackai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    Godge wrote: »
    You are fully entitled to elect whoever you want as your TD. That is the beauty of the electoral system. Tipperary have been doing it for years electing Lowry time and again.

    However, you wouldn't find me voting for a politician who dodged taxes, didn't pay his employees' pension contributions and awarded himself big pay rises, but that's just me, you can do what you like.

    I'm not defending his business dealings. And I'm not voting for him because I think he's a lovely man and should be rewarded. I'll be voting for him because I think he's a good addition to the opposition bench, will hold the government to account on issues and will push issues I'd like to see pushed in there.

    Given the alternatives that's a pretty good result considering.


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    #164
    J.pilkington
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    I'm not defending his business dealings. And I'm not voting for him because I think he's a lovely man and should be rewarded. I'll be voting for him because I think he's a good addition to the opposition bench, will hold the government to account on issues and will push issues I'd like to see pushed in there.

    Given the alternatives that's a pretty good result considering.

    I also think he is a good addition to the opposition benches but would question his motives (I think he likes the publicity and his own personal interests play a big part in his behaviour). I would also be seriously worried if he had any power, he could very quickly slip back into his old self interest ways.

    In terms of your own decision around selecting a candidate would a persons ethics impact your voting decision? For this very reason I would never vote for him / Lowry.

    How he went about making business decisions give a very good indication of his true character. He made very unethical decisions during the last few years of his business and Im not talking about selling the family silver to pay his staffs wages (like some honourable business people did) it was all for personal gain (at the expense of the taxpayer, banks, staff pensions) which he still benefits from as he travels to his "brothers" vineyard in Italy.

    As I said earlier, I would questions his motives around the NI NAMA loan portfolio, he got very lucky. He knew his own bank loan would be shortly called in (as it was sold by the bank) so he starts making noise to try and stall it and then a whistle blower approaches him.


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    #165
    blackwhite
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    Dob74 wrote: »
    His company went into luquidation and did have the money to pay the vat among other things.
    The joke is on us coz we are paying every other bankrupt developer vat and large salary . Instead of putting them all into luquidation like we should of.
    But government policy is to keep prices High. Another tax on non property owners.

    Funny how the company didn't have enough money to pay VAT, but still had the funds to pay massive salaries (and raises) to Mick and his family.


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    #166
    CramCycle
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    blackwhite wrote: »
    Funny how the company didn't have enough money to pay VAT, but still had the funds to pay massive salaries (and raises) to Mick and his family.

    I imagine that, as most people will realise, he knew he was against the wall, maybe he thought he would get out of it with the robbing pensions idea, basically an interest free loan in his mind. When that didn't work, he then went for the VAT, again either thinking, I will get away with it or I can pay it back when business is better by the time Revenue comes asking. A loan with no interest but a penalty for taking it.

    To make some living cash for himself, he decided to run for the Dail, handy bit of cash for him, might keep the business tipping over.

    He wasn't good at any of them, to crooked to have anyone worth their salt working for him (pensions, he could have just told them), too stupid to think he could fool revenue handy enough (VAT), and too immoral to be a TD (all of the above), running publicity stunts to improve his image when it turns out it was beneficial to him to ruin the image of others for his own gain.

    He may have done some good but that doesn't excuse him. Not saying that those in there with him are better, just simply that he is not good enough.


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    #167
    Godge
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    I'm not defending his business dealings. And I'm not voting for him because I think he's a lovely man and should be rewarded. I'll be voting for him because I think he's a good addition to the opposition bench, will hold the government to account on issues and will push issues I'd like to see pushed in there.

    Given the alternatives that's a pretty good result considering.


    Probably the same argument as used by Lowry supporters. As I said, you can choose to vote according to those principles, but I won't.


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    #168
    Thelomen Toblackai
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    Godge wrote: »
    Probably the same argument as used by Lowry supporters. As I said, you can choose to vote according to those principles, but I won't.

    Lowry abused his position as a TD and minister. If I thought Wallace was doing the same I wouldn't vote for him.

    My principles are that I'll vote for who I think would do the best job or contribute more toward issues I feel strongly about. As I see it that's the entire reason we are voting in the first place. To select someone to represent us and our views.

    I'm not sure you understand the political landscape in Wexford much. Without Wallace the result would likely be FG/FG/FG/FF/Lab which as far as policy goes is pretty much the same thing. There are no other viable options for left wing voters. And I'd rather someone who whether he's had some questionable business dealings in the past or not will actually represent me.

    We don't have the luxury to have a soundest lad contest down here and still get represented.


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    #169
    Dob74
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    blackwhite wrote:
    Funny how the company didn't have enough money to pay VAT, but still had the funds to pay massive salaries (and raises) to Mick and his family.


    Probably should have bought a few tickets to a Fg golf classic or thrown ff a few quid at the Galway tent. Then we the taxpayer could be loaning his companies money even though he is insolvent.


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    #170
    KingBrian2
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

    My principles are that I'll vote for who I think would do the best job or contribute more toward issues I feel strongly about. As I see it that's the entire reason we are voting in the first place. To select someone to represent us and our views.

    .

    Daly is not bad, her language is appalling but she's right about Shannon Airport and Repealing the 8th Amendment. Can't fault her there. I would regard her as a conviction politician.


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    #171
    Seth Brundle
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    Wallace doesn't appear to like to discuss his own business affairs it seems...
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wallace-in-stormy-tv-show-standoff-over-tax-34189243.html


    Edit: link updated


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    #172
    CramCycle
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Wallace doesn't appear to like to discuss his own business affairs it seems...
    LINK REMOVED

    Em, nothing to do with Wallace unless I am missing something but even the description doesn't come close to fitting him.


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    #173
    Seth Brundle
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    Feck, I've fixed that - can you please change the link in your quote as although accidental, could be very hurtful to him


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    #174
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    Check out independent.ie for the story . It's about Vincent Browne's people's debate which was held in Wexford's Whites Hotel on Monday night . Think it's being shown tonight ? Wallace threatened legal action but seems the full show is being aired unedited .


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    #175
    Muahahaha
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Wallace doesn't appear to like to discuss his own business affairs it seems...
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wallace-in-stormy-tv-show-standoff-over-tax-34189243.html


    Edit: link updated

    Well having watched the debate the Indo article was nothing but clickbait. A FF candidate went on a rant about Wallace not paying his VAT and company pensions. Wallace admits the VAT but says the pensions story is untrue he all he ever had was a late payment and the Pensions Board fined him even after he was fully paid up. Wallace says the FFer has been reading untrue reports in the print media and says he'll take legal action against the FFer if it is broadcast.

    In any case Wallace made his points well, from the audience he certainly had a lot of support. He is the about the only TD in the entire Dail scrutinising the actions of NAMA. FG are wasting billions with NAMA by ordering to flog off vast property portfolios in exchange for magic beans. The American vulture funds are having a field day under FG and Irish companies haven't a chance of competing against them.


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    #176
    Phoebas
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    Wallace also said that if he is reelected he will stop paying the Revenue back the money he stole.


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    #177
    mynamejeff
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    Wallace also said that if he is reelected he will stop paying the Revenue back the money he stole.

    "Lowry abused his position as a TD and minister. If I thought Wallace was doing the same I wouldn't vote for him. "

    Thelomen Toblackai do you think that would be an abuse and worthy of re election ? genuinely curious


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    #178
    Muahahaha
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    Wallace also said that if he is reelected he will stop paying the Revenue back the money he stole.

    True. The people of Wexford now know where he stands on this and will vote accordingly.


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    #179
    Phoebas
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    True. The people of Wexford now know where he stands on this and will vote accordingly.

    The Revenue might take a different view.


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    #180
    Thelomen Toblackai
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    mynamejeff wrote: »
    "Lowry abused his position as a TD and minister. If I thought Wallace was doing the same I wouldn't vote for him. "

    Thelomen Toblackai do you think that would be an abuse and worthy of re election ? genuinely curious

    I'm a little confused. According to the article he said he'd give his full salary to the revenue, not stop paying them.

    Am I missing something ? I didn't actually watch the debate.


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    #181
    Phoebas
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    I'm a little confused. According to the article he said he'd give his full salary to the revenue, not stop paying them.

    Am I missing something ? I didn't actually watch the debate.
    He said he would keep his full salary if reelected. Said he has his own expenses and needs the money.


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