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Ireland is not friendly enough to Muslim tourists

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    #242
    Cody montana
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    who cares?


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    #243
    end of the road
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    who cares?
    seeing as you took the time to write that pointless sentence, sounds like you obviously do care

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #244
    Cody montana
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    end of the road wrote: »
    seeing as you took the time to write that pointless sentence, sounds like you obviously do care

    We shouldn't pander to them.


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    #245
    end of the road
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    We shouldn't pander to them.
    we aren't "pandering" to anyone

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #246
    DarkyHughes
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    The Ottomans, British & French are to blame for that.

    And Germany to for that matter. And all these countries should be held to account for Palestine refuges & the appalling conditions in Gaza & the Bank (The West is pretty much gone from it) And Britain especially as it was them who started the whole thing of with the Balfour Declaration to draw the US into WW1. Germany also has a special role in this tragedy & a embarrassment & crime of silence to the whole world. There wouldn't be 100's of 1000's of European Jews flooding into Palestine to escape the Germans, so the German just like the British should own up to their part in this destruction of a people.


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    #247
    IrishTrajan
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    And Germany to for that matter. And all these countries should be held to account for Palestine refuges & the appalling conditions in Gaza & the Bank (The West is pretty much gone from it) And Britain especially as it was them who started the whole thing of with the Balfour Declaration to draw the US into WW1. Germany also has a special role in this tragedy & a embarrassment & crime of silence to the whole world. There wouldn't be 100's of 1000's of European Jews flooding into Palestine to escape the Germans, so the German just like the British should own up to their part in this destruction of a people.

    Palestine isn't faultless in the current conflict. They started the war against Israeli in 1948, and the Arab nations have tried to invade Israel several times, even going so far as to issue the Khartoum Resolution (no peace, no compromise, no Israel).

    Yes, Israel's actions are deplorable and they should be brought to heel, but to blame is solely on the West (and the Ottomans), and ignore Palestine's own wrong doings, is ridiculous. Both sides deserve a good smack across the head.


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    #248
    pmasterson95
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    end of the road wrote: »
    we aren't "pandering" to anyone

    Yeah but thats what your bitching about. Our failure to adopt muslim culture.


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    #249
    Wurzelbert
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    if it wasn't a serious newspaper headline, i'd take it all and this whole thread for a joke...
    also surprises me, given the large number of muslims in dublin and the "halal" signs all over the place...of course, in some donegal village one might not so easily find a prayer room or a halal restaurant...same as in rural areas anywhere...
    so to all the travelling muslims out there i can only say this: if ireland or any other place isn't "muslim-friendly" enough for you, feel free to stay away...


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    #250
    whatdoicare
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    I thought the whole point of travelling was to experience local culture and see how people from that country live.

    If you want to travel and experience your own culture then that's completely pointless and you should stay at home.

    Noone is coming here for the sunshine, lets face it, tourists come here for the tacky Irish diddly damsha, great food, drink, music, craic, our beautiful castles and history.

    If you come here and don't want any of that, what are you here for?
    Why travel all the way from what you want to pray in a rainy country, avoid all the drink, avoid all the local food for fear it's not true halal, eat in only muslim run restaurants serving food you can get at home, keep away from the traditional music as its associated with the drink you're avoiding, keep away from most of the history as its all steeped in Catholic dogma.

    What's the point?


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    #251
    end of the road
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Palestine isn't faultless in the current conflict. They started the war against Israeli in 1948, and the Arab nations have tried to invade Israel several times, even going so far as to issue the Khartoum Resolution (no peace, no compromise, no Israel).

    Yes, Israel's actions are deplorable and they should be brought to heel, but to blame is solely on the West (and the Ottomans), and ignore Palestine's own wrong doings, is ridiculous. Both sides deserve a good smack across the head.
    the palestinians were defending the stealing of their land though. once the state of israel was set up the clenzeing of the palestians began.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #252
    end of the road
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    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Yeah but thats what your bitching about. Our failure to adopt muslim culture.

    rubbish. catering for people where possible isn't adopting a culture

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #253
    AlanS181824
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    Well we wouldn't go to Saudi Arabia and complain about the lack of Christmas Trees during December and get upset when they refuse to serve bacon or ham.

    Ye have to adopt and respect the cultures/customs of the area you're in.


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    #254
    Timmyctc
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    Herb Powell wrote: »
    Anyone getting worked up about this has reading comprehension problems. I will not apologise for saying that, because if you actually read the fuccking article:

    • It's just an overview of facilities and practices in Ireland, a tally by one muslim tourist board.
    • It's not a poll of muslims, asking if they would visit Ireland or not.


    It's not an attack on Ireland, and it's not even close to 'muslims asking us to change our ways'. I honestly doubt that muslims willing to travel somewhere are going to give a flying fucck whether the country is halal enough for them or not, and this article does not approach the views of actual muslims.


    But no, sure our way of life is under attack now :rolleyes:

    This needs to be reposted again and again. No one read the ****ing article. Ireland were 24th on a list of 25 ****ing countries. All the survey did was rate the countries in terms of the amenities provided to Muslims for Muslim consideration, noone ****ing told us to change a ****ing thing. You're all ****ing idiots.


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    #255
    IrishTrajan
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    end of the road wrote: »
    the palestinians were defending the stealing of their land though. once the state of israel was set up the clenzeing of the palestians began.

    Yea, you'd think that, but in actual fact, the Arabs and Jews were attacking each other for decades prior to Britain splitting Palestine in two. The Jews came in, started buying up land, and didn't want to be second-class citizens (Dhimmi, in Arabic). Arabs wanted to keep Jews and Christians as Dhimmi. Britain split the country in two, and Palestine (not Israel, Palestine) declared war.

    You're acting as though the Palestinians are blameless here. They're simply not. Of course, we should pressure Israel to give back land and let the Palestinians become a State, but if they declare war again, like they've done before, there should be absolutely no support from the West.


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    #256
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Yea, you'd think that, but in actual fact, the Arabs and Jews were attacking each other for decades prior to Britain splitting Palestine in two. The Jews came in, started buying up land, and didn't want to be second-class citizens (Dhimmi, in Arabic). Arabs wanted to keep Jews and Christians as Dhimmi. Britain split the country in two, and Palestine (not Israel, Palestine) declared war.
    .

    The whole "dhimmi" thing was abolished by the ottomans in the mid 1800's. Please stop spreading disinformation and nonsense.


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    #257
    end of the road
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    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Well we wouldn't go to Saudi Arabia and complain about the lack of Christmas Trees during December and get upset when they refuse to serve bacon or ham.

    Ye have to adopt and respect the cultures/customs of the area you're in.
    no you don't. you can bring your own culture with you as long as it doesn't involve violence or cruelty. christmas trees in saudi means nothing. unless you believe we should behave like that dump

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #258
    Crimsonforce
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    "Ireland is not friendly enough to Muslim tourists"

    And the problem is?


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    #259
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    The whole "dhimmi" thing was abolished by the ottomans in the mid 1800's. Please stop spreading disinformation and nonsense.

    The Ottomans tried to, and the Arabs in Palestine ignored it, and wanted to keep the Jews are Dhimmi. Much like how the Arabs breached the 1888 Constantinople Convention by blockading the Suez later.

    It's not disinformation or nonsense. Read a book.


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    #260
    IrishTrajan
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no you don't. you can bring your own culture with you as long as it doesn't involve violence or cruelty. christmas trees in saudi means nothing. unless you believe we should behave like that dump

    Saudi Arabia is Wahhabi. You try practicing your religion out in the open, and see how long it is before you're locked in some third world dungeon.


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    #261
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    The Ottomans tried to, and the Arabs in Palestine ignored it, and wanted to keep the Jews are Dhimmi.
    ..

    'Palestinians ignored it'. Source?
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Much like how the Arabs breached the 1888 Constantinople Convention by blockading the Suez later..

    Egypt. It's a state. The middle east is composed of them. Like Europe, European states and Europeans.


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    #262
    looksee
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    As a very few people have said, maybe three out of 18 pages of mostly nonsense, nobody is complaining. Muslims are not demanding anything. A marketing firm and a credit card company have done a survey for local consumption suggesting to (probably conservative) Muslims where they will most likely feel at home.

    This is not to say that all Muslims want to feel at home when they go on holiday, maybe like most of us they prefer a new experience.

    If a similar survey was done in Ireland it would probably put Lourdes at the top of the list (I was going to say Medjugorje but I can't spell it) Or the Spanish Costa del Whatsit. Would the rest of the world get offended and discuss it to death?

    Here's a really off the wall idea...read the article before commenting!


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    #263
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    'Palestinians ignored it'. Source?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine#The_Arab_response_to_Zionism

    "In 1856 the Ottomans issued the Hatt-i Humayun, guaranteeing equal rights for all Ottoman subjects. Despite this, Muslims kept viewing Jews as dhimmi's: people protected by, but subordinate to Muslims. This changed when, due to Jewish immigration and land purchase, they realised that Zionism wanted to make a Jewish homeland in at least part of Palestine. Both Christians and Muslims were worried"

    "inb4wikipediaisntavalidsource"

    I don't feel like finding a .pdf of C.D. Smith's 4th Edition "Palestine and the Arab-Israeli conflict" to look for the page.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Egypt. It's a state. The middle east is composed of them. Like Europe, European states and Europeans.

    Yes, the Suez Crisis was started by Egypt, with backing from Syria and Iraq. Much like how the initial 1948 war was fought by Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis and Lebanese. It's easier to say "Arabs" rather than naming each country every time.


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    #264
    sh1tstirrer
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    Irish Stones wrote: »
    According to a survey, Ireland is the least Islam-friendly country, second only to Mexico.
    Muslims complain the lack of restaurant where they can have meals according their traditions and the lack of places for instant prayer.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-one-of-least-muslim-friendly-countries-report-1.2125955

    I think that when one visits a different country they should adapt to the way of life of that country.
    I'm Italian and I travel to Ireland every year for my holidays, but I never complained for not finding enough restaurants that serve pasta and good wine, nor did I complain for not finding mixer taps in the bathrooms as often as here in Italy, or for the driving on the left-hand side of the roads.
    I think that when one is travelling for tourism is for knowing other cultures and traditions, not for exporting their habits to the country they are visitng.
    What is your opinion?
    Maybe if they stopped whinging and complaining about their way of life and how every other nationality should cater for their needs they could carry on like everyone else in the world.


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    #265
    Timmyctc
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    sh1tstirrer wrote: »
    Maybe if they stopped whinging and complaining about their way of life and how every other nationality should cater for their needs they could carry on like everyone else in the world.

    Did you read the article?


    Actually don't answer that, because I know you didn't.


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    #266
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine#The_Arab_response_to_Zionism

    "In 1856 the Ottomans issued the Hatt-i Humayun, guaranteeing equal rights for all Ottoman subjects. Despite this, Muslims kept viewing Jews as dhimmi's:.

    ....which is rather different from an enforced legal state, thanks bunches.
    IrishTrajan wrote: »

    Yes, the Suez Crisis was started by Egypt, with backing from Syria and Iraq. Much like how the initial 1948 war was fought by Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis and Lebanese. It's easier to say "Arabs" rather than naming each country every time.

    So you won't bother naming individual states, because they aren't worthy of respect, and just use the term "arabs" because they're all a giant amorphous horde anyway.


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    #267
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ....which is rather different from an enforced legal state, thanks bunches.

    They, en masse, ignored it. Dhimmi, and the tax (Jiza, Jizya? I cant remember) are still used by Muslim fundamentalist groups. Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, etc.
    Nodin wrote: »
    So you won't bother naming individual states, because they aren't worthy of respect, and just use the term "arabs" because they're all a giant amorphous horde anyway.

    No, I won't name them every time, because they come under the same umbrella, their goal and motivation is the same. Why would I say Egypt-Iraqi-Syrian-Jordanian-Palestinian every time, when their goal and motivation doesn't change? It's easier to say Arab, because they have popular support from the Arab world, and sectarian conflict in the Mandate of Palestine was along the lines of religion and creed (Jew, Christian, Muslim/Arab).

    Don't try to make me out to be some sort of a racist. I'm pro-Palestinian statehood. I just think that ignorance of history muddies the waters and clouds any serious debate, so I clear it up and play the devil's advocate every time I can.


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    #268
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They, en masse, ignored it. Dhimmi, and the tax (Jiza, Jizya? I cant remember) are still used by Muslim fundamentalist groups. Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, etc.)..


    The muslim brotherhood imposed such a tax in Egypt?
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    No, I won't name (.............)(Jew, Christian, Muslim/Arab)..

    So as I said you won't bother naming individual states, because they aren't worthy of respect, and you'll just use the term "arabs" because they're all a giant amorphous horde anyway


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    #269
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    The muslim brotherhood imposed such a tax in Egypt?

    They had intended to impose the tax on Coptic Egyptians, yeah.
    Nodin wrote: »
    So as I said you won't bother naming individual states, because they aren't worthy of respect, and you'll just use the term "arabs" because they're all a giant amorphous horde anyway

    Yea, yea, that's exactly what I'm saying.

    I'm going to include this sentence for anyone who thinks I'm not being sarcastic.


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    #270
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They had intended to impose the tax on Coptic Egyptians, yeah..

    Source?
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Yea, yea, that's exactly what I'm saying.

    .

    It would seem so, and rather unashamedly so too.


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    #271
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Source?

    Do you not know how to use google?
    Nodin wrote: »
    It would seem so, and rather unashamedly so too.

    Ah would you ever go away out of that, with your "dindu nuffin".


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