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Ireland is not friendly enough to Muslim tourists

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    #182
    Paddy Samurai
    Registered Users Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Paddy Samurai


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    According to a survey, Ireland is the least Islam-friendly country, second only to Mexico

    That's cos here in ireland we keep 3 to 4 pigs in the parlour.While the Mexicans can fit up to 12 pigs in their massive parlours.


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    #183
    orestes
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    I manage a tour company in Prague. We provide tours in English and Spanish, and we're thinking of trying out Portuguese this season too since there has been a massive increase in the number of Brazillians visiting here. It isn't because we specifically want more people who speak Portuguese to enjoy their visit to Prague, it's because there is a market we can cater to in order to make money. A lot of our promoters are Muslim so we can easily accommodate Muslim folks on any of our tours and cater towards them specifically if we choose to, but it's not where the money is for us, so we don't do it. In a few years time when the Chinese start coming in higher numbers we will start doing them in Chinese too.

    If a destination isn't catering towards a certain demographic, it's because there's no money in it, plain and simple. It doesn't make a difference where you're from, what race/religion you are, if there's enough money to make it worth doing it, the market will grow to accommodate it, regardless of what the locals want.


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    #184
    theboy1
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    Muslims need to be treated as individuals so that we can properly assess the damage which is important in the broader scheme of things. At the end of the day it would kill two birds with one stone.


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    #185
    Desolation Of Smug
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    orestes wrote: »
    I manage a tour company in Prague. We provide tours in English and Spanish, and we're thinking of trying out Portuguese this season too since there has been a massive increase in the number of Brazillians visiting here. It isn't because we specifically want more people who speak Portuguese to enjoy their visit to Prague, it's because there is a market we can cater to in order to make money. A lot of our promoters are Muslim so we can easily accommodate Muslim folks on any of our tours and cater towards them specifically if we choose to, but it's not where the money is for us, so we don't do it. In a few years time when the Chinese start coming in higher numbers we will start doing them in Chinese too.

    If a destination isn't catering towards a certain demographic, it's because there's no money in it, plain and simple. It doesn't make a difference where you're from, what race/religion you are, if there's enough money to make it worth doing it, the market will grow to accommodate it, regardless of what the locals want.


    So you're saying Muslims are stingy?


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    #186
    Cienciano
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    I think the large and small businesses, bord failte and people of ireland should get together to do something about this. If we all work together, maybe next year we can be at the bottom of this list


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    #187
    Seanf999
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    My view is that certain Muslim people (or at least some of those who I've come across) believe/want Ireland to change for them. I mean if we went to their country would we be welcomed with a typical Irish dish?
    I have absolutely nothing against any religion I simply feel that certain Muslim people are expecting Ireland to conform to how they want it,
    I'm not implying that the vast majority of Muslim people are like this I am simply talking about Muslim people i personally know.


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    #188
    orestes
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    Desolation Of Smug wrote: »
    So you're saying Muslims are stingy?

    By your criteria surely I'm saying that anybody who doesn't speak English or Spanish is stingy (with judgement pending for the Portuguese speakers)?


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    #189
    theboy1
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    Seanf999 wrote: »
    My view is that certain Muslim people (or at least some of those who I've come across) believe/want Ireland to change for them. I mean if we went to their country would we be welcomed with a typical Irish dish?
    I have absolutely nothing against any religion I simply feel that certain Muslim people are expecting Ireland to conform to how they want it,
    I'm not implying that the vast majority of Muslim people are like this I am simply talking about Muslim people i personally know.

    But do you not think it's important to release the endovanacular baggage and take a look at this issue from the orderly viewpoint? I think if we take a fresh look we may find differing results that do not comply to historical accounts.

    Of course an objective view is valued and we should maintain control of above's general diction.


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    #190
    Richard Hillman
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    They have clearly never been to Magaluf or Santa Ponsa. The only Halal meat they would be getting would be down a laneway with 2 guys called Hal and Al.


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    #191
    end of the road
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    Seanf999 wrote: »
    I mean if we went to their country would we be welcomed with a typical Irish dish?

    why would we? these countries are unfree and undemocratic. why people would go to them in the first place bar humanitarian work i don't know

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #192
    DarkyHughes
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    Irish Stones wrote: »
    According to a survey, Ireland is the least Islam-friendly country, second only to Mexico.
    Muslims complain the lack of restaurant where they can have meals according their traditions and the lack of places for instant prayer.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-one-of-least-muslim-friendly-countries-report-1.2125955

    I think that when one visits a different country they should adapt to the way of life of that country.
    I'm Italian and I travel to Ireland every year for my holidays, but I never complained for not finding enough restaurants that serve pasta and good wine, nor did I complain for not finding mixer taps in the bathrooms as often as here in Italy, or for the driving on the left-hand side of the roads.
    I think that when one is travelling for tourism is for knowing other cultures and traditions, not for exporting their habits to the country they are visitng.
    What is your opinion?

    Is there any of them saying Ireland is not a friendly place? With all the Palestine flag waving & support they probably feel very welcome. This is just a bunch of right-wing drivel to make Irish idiots moan about Muslims.


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    #193
    theboy1
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Is there any of them saying Ireland is not a friendly place? With all the Palestine flag waving & support they probably feel very welcome. This is just a bunch of right-wing drivel to make Irish idiots moan about Muslims.

    Yes but would you not consider it important to actualise this event and interpret the interpersonal relationships involved?


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    #194
    shruikan2553
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Another thing I notice is all the pandering to the EXTREMIST FASCIST types hiding behind Islam. Since their countries don't accommodate other cultures, why should we embrace their racist, bigot warped version of Islam. A look at some of the fascist countries that use and abuse Islam (plus their attitudes to tourists):

    Saudi Arabia: With its massive rich/poor divide. Basically, the rich are the royal family and their cronies and the poor is everyone else. The regime is 100% fascist absolute monarchy. A cross between 1940-45 Japan and the Taliban with a bit of Hitler. Top funder of terrorism, top exporter of Fascism masquerading as Islam. Very hard to get a proper tourist Visa to go there. All is orientated around religious trips and they use Mecca and Medina as a cash cow. All we hear bad about Islam originates from the Wahabi cult that formed in this stone age kingdom. All the other badly lead countries took their cue from this place and it remains the worst and most corrupt dictatorship in the Islamic world today bar terrorist lead ISIS et al territories.

    Iran: Have been and cannot understand why ordinary Muslims are so poor. The Christians have much more rights and seem richer and happier. They can legally drink and often supply the Revolutionary Guards regime with alcohol to sell to the Muslims at exhorbatent prices. Iran has a massive drink and drugs problem and has been poorly lead since 1979 though it now has a decent president but still has a lot of unelected leaders. Like Saudi, it has a huge rich/poor ruling class/people divide and Islam again is dressed up as a Fascist tool to beat the people with. The rich seem to be able to get away with anything, the poor not so much. Treats tourists better than Saudi does and has a future and at least there is a reform movement that hopefully can achieve a complete erradication of fascists from Iran's politics.

    Afghanistan: Yes, the Taliban are long gone from the central government but this country remains run by corrupt and poor central government and operates via deals with warlords. Barbaric Saudi-inspired Wahabism has not changed since the fall of the Taliban and the Taliban still control some areas and other likeminded fascists the other areas outside of Kabul. Its official title has changed from 'Islamic Emirate' to 'Islamic Republic' (the distinction being the former is an ultra violent repressive state and the later a violent repressive state! Just toned down slightly).

    Just 3 examples. The middle one has a future and is decent compared to the other two but all have a long long way to go. I could also mention Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Pakistan, Mauritania, Libya, Niger and Mali as other examples of states where 'Islamic' fascism has ruined things. Though many of these are hardly tourist hotspots even at the best of times, they are certainly not ever going to be in the near to medium future at least either.

    You are saying we should act more like them? I'll pass thanks


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    #195
    orestes
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    theboy1 wrote: »
    Yes but would you not consider it important to actualise this event and interpret the interpersonal relationships involved?

    To hell with the interpersonal relationships, we need to synergise backwards overflow!


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    #196
    BuilderPlumber
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    end of the road wrote: »
    why would we? these countries are unfree and undemocratic. why people would go to them in the first place bar humanitarian work i don't know

    It is 100% true that a lot of these countries are unfree and are kept that way for all sorts of reasons. I think the West, Russia and China are all happy to get oil off them and keep the current regimes more or less in power. The current power blocs do not want these countries being superpowers themselves.

    Iran could well have become a superpower if Pahlavi had not been overthrown (or certainly if there was no Iran/Iraq war). Iraq could well have been a power too only for this. I notice in all Islamic countries today, there is a type of classism where the elite ruling class have all the wealth and the ordinary people nothing. Saudi Arabia is little more than a colony and the regime, its rich pals and foreign workers from the West are looked after .. at the expense of the Arabian people.

    ALL these countries should be rich and self sufficient. Moderate Islam should prosper and Arab countries and Iran should be up there with North America and Europe as modern democracies with modern agendas. BUT the powers that be would not like to have oil-rich rivals who would overtake them .. so hence the current 'voodoo' regimes are preferred! They stop all these countries reaching their full potential.


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    #197
    DarkyHughes
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    end of the road wrote: »
    why would we? these countries are unfree and undemocratic. why people would go to them in the first place bar humanitarian work i don't know

    The Ottomans, British & French are to blame for that.


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    #198
    fedor.2.
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    theboy1 wrote: »
    But do you not think it's important to release the endovanacular baggage and take a look at this issue from the orderly viewpoint? I think if we take a fresh look we may find differing results that do not comply to historical accounts.

    Of course an objective view is valued and we should maintain control of above's general diction.


    Do you just hit random letters on the keyboard and hope for the best.


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    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Is there any of them saying Ireland is not a friendly place? With all the Palestine flag waving & support they probably feel very welcome. This is just a bunch of right-wing drivel to make Irish idiots moan about Muslims.

    Right wing drivel? :confused:


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    #200
    bpmurray
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    There should be zero halal restaurants - abusing animals is not a religious freedom. The reality is that we should position animal rights above religious.


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    #201
    BuilderPlumber
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    The Ottomans, British & French are to blame for that.

    Yes, and along with the US, Russia and China, are responsible still for why backward, weak or poor regimes exist in the Middle East. It is ALL about keeping rivals in their place by keeping them poor. A new form of colonialism is for powers to make sure any potential rivals are lead by backward or incompetent idiots.


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    #202
    Seanf999
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    theboy1 wrote: »
    But do you not think it's important to release the endovanacular baggage and take a look at this issue from the orderly viewpoint? I think if we take a fresh look we may find differing results that do not comply to historical accounts.

    Of course an objective view is valued and we should maintain control of above's general diction.

    I do agree that we should try and see it from all perspectives and that we may see a different side to what we are accustomed to but from my experience owning a house in Turkey I have seen first had that certain Muslim people do not like our life style.
    A friend of mine got shouted at by a elderly Turkish lady for having his ear pierced (he's 18)
    I know from being back home in Ireland that certain people feel we as a nation should go out of our way to accommodate them, not just in a sense for tourists but also for people migrating.


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    #203
    orestes
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    bpmurray wrote: »
    There should be zero halal restaurants - abusing animals is not a religious freedom. The reality is that we should position animal rights above religious.

    God pays better than PETA, sorry.


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    #204
    Cienciano
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Is there any of them saying Ireland is not a friendly place? With all the Palestine flag waving & support they probably feel very welcome. This is just a bunch of right-wing drivel to make Irish idiots moan about Muslims.

    I don't think I ever saw a Palestinian flag in ireland, and if it's metaphorical sense I doubt any tourist would notice or be affected.
    Sounds like your post was just to have a go at views you don't like


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    #205
    Son Of A Vidic
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    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I like this definition :D
    Would you like to explain why I am like an Irish? This is not the first time I hear this thing, I have been described like that before during my holidays :)

    I've lived abroad a fair bit in the past and I always found the Italians the easiest nationality to get along with and strike up friendships with. And maybe it's because both the Irish and Italians are friendly, animated, expressive and passionate peoples who wear their heart of their sleeves. The Irish Mammy and Italian Mama both hold a saintly position within the family and I just found the values I hold to be very similar to my Italian friends. Throw in the fact that there is nothing on this earth like Italian food and my obvious bias becomes more apparent.:)


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    #206
    Irish Stones
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    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    I've lived abroad a fair bit in the past and I always found the Italians the easiest nationality to get along with and strike up friendships with. And maybe it's because both the Irish and Italians are friendly, animated, expressive and passionate peoples who wear their heart of their sleeves. The Irish Mammy and Italian Mama both hold a saintly position within the family and I just found the values I hold to be very similar to my Italian friends. Throw in the fact that there is nothing on this earth like Italian food and my obvious bias becomes more apparent.:)

    Thanks so much! :D
    I love you Irish too!


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    #207
    VinLieger
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Try reading the post again, this time concentrating on whats there rather than what you're reading into it.

    I didn't say anything of the sort I just think coming to another country and expecting a different culture to adapt to your exact needs and demands is a ****ing joke, I travel quite a bit and never expect that of any country I visit and anyone who does is an entitled arrogant piece of garbage in my opinion. This has nothing do with them being Muslim I think this of any person who demands other cultures to change to suit their needs


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    #208
    Irish Stones
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    RWCNT wrote: »
    People like to go on holidays, Muslims are no different but they have certain needs which will be catered to in some places better than others.

    Everybody has their certain needs, but either you adapt when you travel away from home, or you just stay home.
    There's no risk if for two weeks you live according to a different lifestyle, IMO.


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    Irish Stones
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no, they should be catered to as much as possible within the law

    And where is the beauty of travelling if you live abroad as you're in your own country?
    so? thats your choice, the same as its other peoples choice to complain. that is the beauty of living in a free democratic country

    Usually I don't do things that I don't like, and I don't go to places where I feel I could be in discomfort.
    If I freely choose to do one or both af the above then I can't complain.
    nobody is "exporting" any habits

    Well, no, but someone would like to receive the same treatment as they were home.


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    #210
    circadian
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    Seanf999 wrote: »
    I do agree that we should try and see it from all perspectives and that we may see a different side to what we are accustomed to but from my experience owning a house in Turkey I have seen first had that certain Muslim people do not like our life style.
    A friend of mine got shouted at by a elderly Turkish lady for having his ear pierced (he's 18)
    I know from being back home in Ireland that certain people feel we as a nation should go out of our way to accommodate them, not just in a sense for tourists but also for people migrating.

    My granny was a bit off with me for having my ear pierced. I travelled east Asia with some ear/facial piercings and got stared at a lot, especially by the older generation.

    I don't really think something like that is reflective of the whole populace, but I do agree the cultures can be worlds apart at times.


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    #211
    keithclancy
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    How can you classify people by a religion when Muslims in different countries have completely different views on what is har-am and what is not.

    You could have a Turkish guy that's born in Western Europe, that thinks everything is hunky dorey with his Turkish parents coming to visit thinking everything is a violation of Islam and Halal food isn't really halal.

    Then some people from Saudi visit Turkey and have the opinion that all the women dress like whores and should be put in their place for driving cars when they should be at home waiting for their husband to return.

    To target customers based on their religion is nuts.

    It makes about as much sense as saying Ireland isn't doing enough to be friendly to Protestants.

    The survey in itself promotes xenophobia based on a grouping that is poorly defined.


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