If Greece can do it, Ireland certainly can..

Jolly Red Giant

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The following example gives a flavour of how the Troika are engaged in a vicious class war against working class people in Greece.

One of the diktats of the troika was to impose VAT of 23 % on food (some items are 13%). Over the past 6 years large numbers of people who have been impoverished by the troika's austerity have started to grow some of their own food, many have moved to rural areas to live with elderly relatives to get access to small patches of land to grow vegetables. Many people who grow small quantities of food regularly give some of the food to neighbours and friends who can't afford to buy much food.

The latest batch of troika diktats will compel the Greek government to stop people growing their own veg on the basis that because they are growing food instead of buying it they are engaging in tax evasion because they are not paying VAT on the food they grow.

How utterly daft is that?

citation needed

AlmightyCushion

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The latest batch of troika diktats will compel the Greek government to stop people growing their own veg on the basis that because they are growing food instead of buying it they are engaging in tax evasion because they are not paying VAT on the food they grow.

How utterly daft is that?

Do you have a source for that? There is no way in hell growing your own food is considered tax evasion.

NorthStars

Deleted User wrote: »

You make it sound like there's absolutely zero cost to the debt restructuring

How's that?
Without a debt writedown, Greece will be in trouble again within a year.

NorthStars

The net result of 'debt restructuring' for Ireland can be seen every day now in the news.
Health service in chaos, homeless numbers growing by the month, repossessions, more and more taxes and charges etc etc....
A bit of growth, from a dead baseline, and the boys are cock-a-hoop going 'look at us, look how well things worked out for us'..
The facts, some of them outlined above, tell quite a different story.
But listen....I'm alright Jack.....

BoJack Horseman

NorthStars wrote: »

The Greeks were/are in a far worse position than us..

That's not what I asked.

Its a yes/no situation buddy.

Was Ireland's recover plan better than Greece's?

Both suffered perilous GDP drops, Greece more so, but Ireland wasnt far behind.

Who's recovery plan was better?

Noble Greece, or quisling Ireland?

NorthStars

NorthStars wrote: »

How's that?
Without a debt writedown, Greece will be in trouble again within a year.

You misunderstand me / I didn't explain well.

You write as if Greece simply asked for debt relief and has been granted a conversation on it.

The reality is that debt relief has been on the cards for quite some time, and the original planned steps taken to 'unlock it' would have been a far less costly scenario than the one that Greece has used to arrive at the 'now' situation.

The analogy I used before was of someone in the waiting room of a hospital intentionally making themselves worse in order to get themselves seen to faster.

marienbad

NorthStars wrote: »

FYI, it wasn't the current governments economic recovery plan, it was a plan decided on by the troika and the previous government.

So what ?

FreudianSlippers

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The following example gives a flavour of how the Troika are engaged in a vicious class war against working class people in Greece.

One of the diktats of the troika was to impose VAT of 23 % on food (some items are 13%). Over the past 6 years large numbers of people who have been impoverished by the troika's austerity have started to grow some of their own food, many have moved to rural areas to live with elderly relatives to get access to small patches of land to grow vegetables. Many people who grow small quantities of food regularly give some of the food to neighbours and friends who can't afford to buy much food.

The latest batch of troika diktats will compel the Greek government to stop people growing their own veg on the basis that because they are growing food instead of buying it they are engaging in tax evasion because they are not paying VAT on the food they grow.

How utterly daft is that?

The 23% is for processed food items: http://www.kathimerini.gr/820742/article/epikairothta/politikh/oi-diafores-meta3y-8esmwn-kai-a8hnas

Very similar to what we have here: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/leaflets/food-and-drink.html


Vicious class war indeed.

K-9

NorthStars wrote: »

Nope, I don't envy them at all.

I'm pointing out though, especially to all the usual crew on this site who were rubbing their hands (and whatever else) with glee a few weeks ago at the thought of Greece being thrown out of the Eurozone and comparing their tactics to 'the shinners', that Greece is still in the Eurozone, has it's bailout programme and will be getting a debt writedown as the IMF has said it will require.

To be fair though, most of the aforementioned crew spend their time in the cafe under the bridge, and it's where they're most suited tbh.

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