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Another black teenager shot by police in St Louis

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    #242
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Feck it! It's the season of goodwill to all men, so as the friends and family of Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner and the guy who was shot dead in the shop...what was his name? and this guy, wail in anguish and pain and misery at their hopelessness this Christmas and New Year, I'd like to wish Happy Christmas to them, but also to the ones who are delighted that they are dead.

    Who's delighted now ? Most people are pointing out how his own actions lead to him being shot. And not police running around shooting people at random.


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    #243
    braddun
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    pointing loaded gun at police


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    #244
    bennyl10
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    Egginacup wrote: »
    Feck it! It's the season of goodwill to all men, so as the friends and family of Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner and the guy who was shot dead in the shop...what was his name? and this guy, wail in anguish and pain and misery at their hopelessness this Christmas and New Year, I'd like to wish Happy Christmas to them, but also to the ones who are delighted that they are dead.

    Noone has expressed delight at his death, simply being pointed out to you thst someone who points a gun at a cop is a thug, and is in all likelihood going to shoot this cop.

    Cop then has 2 choices, let the boy with the gun aim at him, hope he doesn't fire, or prrotect himself by taking out the threat.

    If you were the cop which option would you prefer to pick?

    It's awful, but to in anyway say the teen didn't bring it on himself is just trolling


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    #245
    punisher5112
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    I would love to know what these people would do if someone pulled a gun or knife on them....

    I know for one i would not go without a fight.

    Serious evil scum out there.


    In the case of the child that was shot ack a while he should not have been out with such a toy which could easily be mistaken for a real weapon and then keep it up instead of dropping. I feel bad for the young guy his family and of course the officer and emergency services as this was tragic and the officer in no way would want to have this hanging over them for the rest of their lives.


    Sad world we live in.


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    #246
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    braddun wrote: »
    pointing loaded gun at police

    'Suicide By Cop' is another name for that in the States, you point a pistol at a police officer and you'll be put down with plenty of rounds fired into you.


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    #247
    MadYaker
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    The joys of living in a society that is awash with guns. The kids mother says he didn't have a gun.... like he'd tell her if he did. I know one thing for sure id hate to be a police officer or a young black male in the USA right now. There is some interesting stuff in this thread from reddit if you've got time to read it http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2q9wwe/when_we_hear_members_of_the_nypd_union_leadership/


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    #248
    Overheal
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    Chris___ wrote: »
    Apparently the guy never pointed a gun at the officer despite seen to in the CCTV. The camera never lies. Also there's no doubt footage of this caught on the dash cam.

    'coincidentally', both the officer's body camera and the dash camera were reportedly not turned on during the incident.

    Riiiight.


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    #249
    bear1
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    Overheal wrote: »
    'coincidentally', both the officer's body camera and the dash camera were reportedly not turned on during the incident.

    Riiiight.

    I'm not sure they are wearing body camers yet but regarding the police car camera, from reading this article:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120641/antonio-martins-death-shows-limitations-dashboard-and-body-camera

    The cameras are only activated if the lights are turned on. Seeing as it was just a routine check the officer must have thought there was no need to turn them on.
    I seriously don't believe the cop saw a couple of these kids and thought "they would have a gun so I'll keep the camera off and get away with murder".


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    #250
    bennyl10
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    Overheal wrote: »
    'coincidentally', both the officer's body camera and the dash camera were reportedly not turned on during the incident.

    Riiiight.

    Why do people refuse to believe tbe CCTV that we actually do have then?! More isn't really required surely.. A gun being pointed is shown..

    Yano what the dash cam would show? A gun being pointed!!


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    #251
    SeanW
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    Bit like Michael Brown, CCTV showed him robbing the shop and assaulting the owner, then after the shooting the physical evidence, i.e. ballistics, verified officer Wilson's story.

    Yet still according to some MB was helpless innocent victim of a trigger happy KKK sympathising murdering cop. Paraphrasing one of them: "Wilson should have kept his gun out of MBs reach" or "MB was just in a bit of rough play" ... And yet those same people take no responsibility when months of cop-hating race-baiting culminates in the execution of two innocent policemen.


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    #252
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    GalwayGuitar wrote: »
    Lol. The genius drew a gun, what was the cop supposed to do?

    Long thread/didn't read it all.... Has anyone suggested the cop should have shot the gun from the guys hands yet?.


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    #253
    end of the road
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    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Noone has expressed delight at his death, simply being pointed out to you thst someone who points a gun at a cop is a thug, and is in all likelihood going to shoot this cop.

    Cop then has 2 choices, let the boy with the gun aim at him, hope he doesn't fire, or prrotect himself by taking out the threat.

    If you were the cop which option would you prefer to pick?

    It's awful, but to in anyway say the teen didn't bring it on himself is just trolling
    no its not trolling

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #254
    end of the road
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    'Suicide By Cop' is another name for that in the States, you point a pistol at a police officer and you'll be put down with plenty of rounds fired into you.
    yes, completely riddled while the vermin cop lives out his fantasy

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #255
    end of the road
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    bear1 wrote: »
    I'm not sure they are wearing body camers yet but regarding the police car camera, from reading this article:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120641/antonio-martins-death-shows-limitations-dashboard-and-body-camera

    The cameras are only activated if the lights are turned on. Seeing as it was just a routine check the officer must have thought there was no need to turn them on.
    I seriously don't believe the cop saw a couple of these kids and thought "they would have a gun so I'll keep the camera off and get away with murder".
    with the way things are in that country, maybe they did

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #256
    end of the road
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Bit like Michael Brown, CCTV showed him robbing the shop and assaulting the owner, then after the shooting the physical evidence, i.e. ballistics, verified officer Wilson's story.

    yet his story doesn't add up. wilson is a lier who got lucky. the "evidence" was never going to go against his sort, it never does. and the prosecutor had links with that police force. that says it all.
    SeanW wrote: »
    Yet still according to some MB was helpless innocent victim of a trigger happy KKK sympathising murdering cop.

    trigger happy at least.
    SeanW wrote: »
    yet those same people take no responsibility when months of cop-hating race-baiting culminates in the execution of two innocent policemen.

    not their job to take responsibility for anything. only those who shot the cops are responsible.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #257
    Dan_Solo
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    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It's awful, but to in anyway say the teen didn't bring it on himself is just trolling
    Anyone else remember when this used to be called back seat modding?
    Maybe trolling is OK now so it's OK to accuse people of it?


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    #258
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes, completely riddled while the vermin cop lives out his fantacy

    What's that? Not dying? If that's the case there's a lot of vermin in the world.
    end of the road wrote: »
    yet his story doesn't add up. wilson is a lier who got lucky. the "evidence" was never going to go against his sort, it never does. and the prosecutor had links with that police force. that says it all.

    No it doesn't. All prosecutors have links with police. They work with them to prosecute offenders. It was the grand jury that made the decision, not the prosecutor, and they did it having examined the evidence that you simply ignore.
    end of the road wrote: »
    not their job to take responsibility for anything. only those who shot the cops are responsible.

    And by the same token .only those cops who have done bad should be responsible for their behaviour, yet you label all as vermin.


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    #259
    Dr Turk Turkelton
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    Alistair Hollow Stewardess wrote: »
    Long thread/didn't read it all.... Has anyone suggested the cop should have shot the gun from the guys hands yet?.

    Close Alistair Hollow Stewardess someone reckoned he should have being winged ie just shot in the legs but didn't account for him still having the gun in his hands and the use of them.


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    #260
    RWCNT
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Bit like Michael Brown, CCTV showed him robbing the shop and assaulting the owner, then after the shooting the physical evidence, i.e. ballistics, verified officer Wilson's story.

    CCTV shows he paid for the cigars, not that it matters since the store fidnt even call the cops, why you always gotta be so problematic SeanW?


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    #261
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »
    Close Makikomi someone reckoned he should have being winged ie just shot in the legs but didn't account for him still having the gun in his hands and the use of them.

    lol, mad.

    Anyone points a gun at me and the f*cker is getting shot, simple as.. Of course I'd rather they lived and not died ~ death is such a hassle after all.

    But yea, defo shot the idiot and it won't be in the legs either.


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    #262
    end of the road
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    No it doesn't. All prosecutors have links with police. They work with them to prosecute offenders.

    yes it does. the prosecutor had "links" with the police which could mean bias with the case.
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It was the grand jury that made the decision, not the prosecutor, and they did it having examined the evidence that you simply ignore.

    debatible. we don't and won't know what exactly was put to them.
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    by the same token .only those cops who have done bad should be responsible for their behaviour, yet you label all as vermin.

    no i don't, all though i do agree that in america, standards are low when it comes to those allowed into the police.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #263
    Dr Turk Turkelton
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    Alistair Hollow Stewardess wrote: »
    lol, mad.

    Anyone points a gun at me and the f*cker is getting shot, simple as.. Of course I'd rather they lived and not died ~ death is such a hassle after all.

    But yea, defo shot the idiot and it won't be in the legs either.

    Yeah I can imagine all the paperwork would be a hassle and I'm sure some health and safety eejit would have to stick his oar in as well.


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    #264
    darkpagandeath
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    end of the road wrote: »
    yes it does. the prosecutor had "links" with the police which could mean bias with the case.



    debatible. we don't and won't know what exactly was put to them.



    no i don't, all though i do agree that in america, standards are low when it comes to those allowed into the police.

    How were the grand Jury's Biased then ?

    If you don't know what was put to them how the hell do you know it was biased ?


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    #265
    end of the road
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    Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »
    Yeah I can imagine all the paperwork would be a hassle

    rightly so
    Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »
    I'm sure some health and safety eejit would have to stick his oar in as well.

    health and safety people are not ejits. they are vital in ensuring high standards.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #266
    Highflyer13
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    If the guy pointed the gun at the cop he deserved to be shot dead imo. They can pitch it all they want cops v blacks or blacks v whites etc but at the end of the day its the retarded American politicians and crazy laws that are responsible for this and in general the decline of their country. I don't think they give a f**k though.


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    #267
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    If the guy pointed the gun at the cop he deserved to be shot dead imo. .

    Well shot anyway, I'm not sure about the dead bit. But if that (death) is a consequence of pointing your gun at a cop/soldier well so be it, I see little to dispute or cry over.


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    #268
    mynamejeff
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    end of the road wrote: »
    rightly so



    health and safety people are not ejits. they are vital in ensuring high standards.

    well that shows exactly the sort of person you are doesnt it !

    you dont seem to understand how the judicial system works in america,
    the cops gather evidence to be presented by the prosecutor to the grand jury who look at all the evidence and make a informed choice, rather than some people who look at a few videos on you tub or listen to al sharpton or some other race baiter and sprout off on the net


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    #269
    Sand
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    end of the road wrote: »
    yes, completely riddled while the vermin cop lives out his fantasy

    You're a little biased against police and the concept of policing aren't you?


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    #270
    mynamejeff
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    Sand wrote: »
    You're a little biased against police and the concept of policing aren't you?

    :P he properly didn't really deserve the speeding ticket that set him on that road to thug life :-) :-)


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    #271
    GalwayGuitar
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    mynamejeff wrote: »
    :P he properly didn't really deserve the speeding ticket that set him on that road to thug life :-) :-)

    Probably got caught with some hash when he was 16 and now 'HATES DA PIGS!'


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