Another black teenager shot by police in St Louis

Yakult

Should be "Teenager shot by police". who cares if he was black, white, Chinese or African.

The_Valeyard

Yakult wrote: »

Should be "Teenager shot by police". who cares if he was black, white, Chinese or African.

*Armed.

h2005

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

A few years living on the East Coast before we moved home. A great place in so many respect with intelligent hard working people who do not suffer fools gladly. But the gun laws and racial undertones were enough to make us come home when the first was born.

I'm not seeing anything here which shows the average American is sharper than the average Irish person. But then maybe that's because I'm not too sharp.

Tugboats

Yakult wrote: »

Should be "Teenager shot by police". who cares if he was black, white, Chinese or African.

Jesse jackson and egginacup

mynamejeff

from reading this thread it seems fairly clear what some of you fine people want from your police

for the police to be under 24 hour surveillance both on duty and off incase they let the mask slip and the evil inside shines through

to be genetically engineered in a lab not to gain weight or physically deteriorate after working 10 to 12 hour long shifts in a patrol car with a constant state of alertness

to operate with out fear for thier selfs or loved ones despite constant threats on both

to operate with out any human emotions what so ever really

to never defend themselves unless already shot or shot at by someone

to be able to easily over power and arrest a 300 pound violent teenager without hurting him

to solve crimes using techniques you may have seen on CSI or some other crappy tv show

to apply the law rigidly to anyone who wrongs you but ignore any breaches of the law by you or yours

to deal with pressure and the abuses of management who are both politically corrupt glaringly incompetent in many cases .

to do your job with the cheapest equipment and least manpower because why would police need fast cars effective CS spray tazers and access to firearms ballistic vests(not stab vests) or a proper functioning computer system

not to suspect that some one who looks and acts in the same way as criminals who they have previously encountered in the same location might possibly be criminals too

but hey im sure you know better right ................

AndonHandon

mynamejeff wrote: »

from reading this thread it seems fairly clear what some of you fine people want from your police

for the police to be under 24 hour surveillance both on duty and off incase they let the mask slip and the evil inside shines through

to be genetically engineered in a lab not to gain weight or physically deteriorate after working 10 to 12 hour long shifts in a patrol car with a constant state of alertness

to operate with out fear for thier selfs or loved ones despite constant threats on both

to operate with out any human emotions what so ever really

to never defend themselves unless already shot or shot at by someone

to be able to easily over power and arrest a 300 pound violent teenager without hurting him

to solve crimes using techniques you may have seen on CSI or some other crappy tv show

to apply the law rigidly to anyone who wrongs you but ignore any breaches of the law by you or yours

to deal with pressure and the abuses of management who are both politically corrupt glaringly incompetent in many cases .

to do your job with the cheapest equipment and least manpower because why would police need fast cars effective CS spray tazers and access to firearms ballistic vests(not stab vests) or a proper functioning computer system

not to suspect that some one who looks and acts in the same way as criminals who they have previously encountered in the same location might possibly be criminals too

but hey im sure you know better right ................

This seems to be an agenda of some sorts.

Egginacup

irelandrover wrote: »

Can you provide any links or backups of this number? Does it include justified killings? How many people of other races are killed by police. Who are the vigilantes and why are they included in this?

Read this report:

https://mxgm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Operation-Ghetto-Storm.pdf

It's 130 pages and it provides links and sources to it's findings.

Read the reasons for the 313 killings of black males. The majority of them were unarmed. Nearly a third of the killings started out with the cop citing "suspicious behaviour or appearance". Suspicious APPEARANCE?

14% were shot dead for running away from cops. And if anyone says "they shouldn't have run" then you ought to have your head tested or go sit in a room an be quiet for a very long time.

mynamejeff

Operation Ghetto Storm: 2012 Annual Report on the Extrajudicial
Killing of Black People ??


ya that seems like it wouldn't be a little bit bias

Tugboats

Egginacup wrote: »

Read this report:

https://mxgm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Operation-Ghetto-Storm.pdf

It's 130 pages and it provides links and sources to it's findings.

Read the reasons for the 313 killings of black males. The majority of them were unarmed. Nearly a third of the killings started out with the cop citing "suspicious behaviour or appearance". Suspicious APPEARANCE?

14% were shot dead for running away from cops. And if anyone says "they shouldn't have run" then you ought to have your head tested or go sit in a room an be quiet for a very long time.

I like my murders like i do my porn black on black. Any stats on this?

Dan_Solo

The_Valeyard wrote: »

*Armed, said the police force that shoots kids and plants weapons.

FTFY.

The_Valeyard

Dan_Solo wrote: »

FTFY.

I doubt it, this culture of police hate is going to get more people killed.

Lets see what the cctv shows.

Dan_Solo

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I doubt it, this culture of police hate is going to get more people killed.

Lets see what the cctv shows.

I'm saying it's what the police claim, you're saying you believe the police from the off.
I know which one of us is more interested in waiting for the CCTV.

irelandrover

Egginacup wrote: »

Read this report:

https://mxgm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Operation-Ghetto-Storm.pdf

It's 130 pages and it provides links and sources to it's findings.

Read the reasons for the 313 killings of black males. The majority of them were unarmed. Nearly a third of the killings started out with the cop citing "suspicious behaviour or appearance". Suspicious APPEARANCE?

14% were shot dead for running away from cops. And if anyone says "they shouldn't have run" then you ought to have your head tested or go sit in a room an be quiet for a very long time.

That's where i thought you were going. 136 unarmed. I'm not sure even you can say that 136 out of 313 is a majority.
All these deaths were not people shot.

Again, why include vigilantes in this discussion? What exactly does that add?

BorneTobyWilde

You can't believe anything the police put out there or the friends and family put out there.

The_Valeyard

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I know which one of us is more interested in waiting for the CCTV.

No, you dont.

BorneTobyWilde

CCTV will go missing like a cupcake in a room with a fat boy .

Dan_Solo

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No, you dont.

You said from the off you believed the cops, so sorry, we do.
Hard luck on that. Evidence is annoying isn't it?

Wanderer2010

I understand that each case of an officer fearing for his/her life is different but would they never consider a shot or two to the legs - that way completely immobilizing the suspect in order to arrest them and not going straight for the kill shot. And these cops seem to not only fire one or twice, but several times! I think death is pretty much inevitable after 2 shots, why do they have to go so gung-ho?

At least a shot to the leg would resolve the situation and nobody would have to die.

Molester Stallone II

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I understand that each case of an officer fearing for his/her life is different but would they never consider a shot or two to the legs - that way completely immobilizing the suspect in order to arrest them and not going straight for the kill shot. And these cops seem to not only fire one or twice, but several times! I think death is pretty much inevitable after 2 shots, why do they have to go so gung-ho?

At least a shot to the leg would resolve the situation and nobody would have to die.

I shoot you in the leg, you can still shoot back at me

JaseBelleVie

I am biased in this. I always will be. Both of my grandfathers were a police officers. Over 70 years of combined service with An Garda Síochána and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

I never got to know my grandfather from Canada (he died when I was 3), but I've heard stories, seen photographs, read his journals and so on. My Irish grandfather died when I was 10, but I always remember his stories of the days of policing in Ireland from the 1940's up to the 1980's. Both of my grandfathers retired from their respective police forces in the 1980's. Honourable, decent men who formed part of that thin blue line between order and chaos.

While the times are different and the country in question is different, people generally take the men and women of the police forces for granted. For sure, we all bitch and moan about the shoddiness of the police force and of how incompetent and useless they are. But at the first sign of trouble, who to we go running to to help us?

Even back in the 1970's and 80's, from reading through journals and hearing the stories, policing was stressful and tough enough as it was. I can only imagine as we've gone through the 90's, 00's and now into the 2010's, that it has only ratcheted up in intensity, stress and danger. Even here in Ireland, the job for the Gardaí has gotten more and more dangerous. While the threat of the IRA from the 70's and 80's has lessened, the threat from armed criminals and even syringe toting criminals has jumped.

In America, every single police officer is armed. The ease with which a criminal can lay their hands on a gun is frightening. This mixture is deadly.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the police. You put yourself into the shoes of a police officer on the beat in America. Anywhere in America. From the smallest hamlet to the biggest cities. These are men and women with families, with children. They respond to a call that a person is waving a gun around. Their first thought is not going to be about diffusing the situation in order to preserve the life of the gunman. Their first thought is going to be "Will this be the call that leaves my wife/husband a widow(er) and my children without a mother/father?".

Argue all you want about shooting legs, arms, whatever and not shooting to kill. In the single, split second that these officers have to make a decision in order to try and solve the situation and to try and make sure they themselves do not get killed, it is an impossibility to understand the crippling fear of death they must feel. Especially if the gunman is younger (more volatile), under duress, under the influence of drugs or if they are carrying out a robbery (or similar). Desperate and/or volatile gunmen are dangerous to everyone, not just the police officers.

Yes, tragedies have occurred (the 12 year old shot dead by police officers recently being a prime example). However, this child was waving a "gun" around in a playground. A member of the public called this in. People in Ireland balked at the idea of a child getting a gun. Google "Kayla Rolland". Kayla Rolland was a six year old girl who was shot dead in her school. By a six year old boy. Kids in America can have access to guns and have used them in the past. Police officers know this. They are on edge all the time, and it leads to tragedies such as this. If the police officers hesitate too long in taking action, they end up dead. If they act too rashly, tragedy strikes. There is no happy medium. How are they to know if a gun is real or not? In the seconds they have to evaluate the situation, there is not time for second guessing. Second guessing will get you killed if you are a police officer in America.

We are blessed in this country in that we do not have an armed police force. We do not have a huge arsenal of automatic and semi-automatic weapons lying around our houses and businesses. America is a basket case. But America's police officers are targets like never before. For sure, some police officers should be f*cked out of the force due to their simply being vicious bastards. But most police officers are dedicated, hard-working people, who are there to "Protect and Serve". They do the unthinkable and unenviable things, so the rest of us do not have to. They protect the decent people of society from the scum of society. They keep us safe. They help us in our hour of need.

And how do we repay them? Usually with abuse and criticism, and most of it unwarranted.

bear1

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I understand that each case of an officer fearing for his/her life is different but would they never consider a shot or two to the legs - that way completely immobilizing the suspect in order to arrest them and not going straight for the kill shot. And these cops seem to not only fire one or twice, but several times! I think death is pretty much inevitable after 2 shots, why do they have to go so gung-ho?

At least a shot to the leg would resolve the situation and nobody would have to die.

The flaw I can see with that (btw I was also thinking this before) would be that the person would still have the ability to use a weapon.
Hit an artery in the leg and that person could well die as well.
America grew up with the gun all around them and so everyone seems to think they can be Dirty Harry on the streets.
I suggested before about curtailing the law regarding gun ownership but the more I think of it the more I can see how much of a disaster that would be for them.
Gun groups would never allow it to happen.

mark13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po

CCTV of the shooting, it cuts off right before the shooting occurs, but you can make out the teen pointing his gun at the officer.

Dan_Solo

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I understand that each case of an officer fearing for his/her life is different but would they never consider a shot or two to the legs - that way completely immobilizing the suspect in order to arrest them and not going straight for the kill shot. And these cops seem to not only fire one or twice, but several times! I think death is pretty much inevitable after 2 shots, why do they have to go so gung-ho?

At least a shot to the leg would resolve the situation and nobody would have to die.

Hard to plant a gun and make up a story when the guy is still alive.

bennyl10

mark13 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po

CCTV of the shooting, it cuts off right before the shooting occurs, but you can make out the teen pointing his gun at the officer.

Case closed. Right call by police!

bear1

^^^ Right, so the kid pointed the gun right at the officers face from the looks of it.
Pure him or me scenario.

bennyl10

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Hard to plant a gun and make up a story when the guy is still alive.

Suggest you watch the video Mr solo..

Nothing planted or made up, or is the CCTV doctored too?

Theres a nice conspiracy forum for that..

h2005

mark13 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po

CCTV of the shooting, it cuts off right before the shooting occurs, but you can make out the teen pointing his gun at the officer.

You can make it out if thats what you're looking for. It shows nothing for me.

AndonHandon

JaseHeath wrote: »

And how do we repay them? Usually with abuse and criticism, and most of it unwarranted.

To be fair, most people are supporting the police. The sort of incidents talked about in this thread only get attention due to a black victim complex and/or white guilt. Any European country and the race of the person shot dead would not be linked to the reason for shooting but obviously the U.S. Has the history it has with the black people it has.

mynamejeff

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

CCTV will go missing like a cupcake in a room with a fat boy .

o look !

BorneTobyWilde

Look like he pull a gun or offered the police man a banana .