**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

I can’t recall any accusations of shilling against those opposed to water charges. You might be able to point out a few but it seems you cannot go a page here without that nonsense being wheeled out by the anti side.

I think you'll have to reread that post.

They didn't say shilling.

Phoebas

Banjo String wrote: »

I think you'll have to reread that post.

They didn't say shilling.

The post it was in response to did.

twowheelsgood

Banjo String wrote: »

I think you'll have to reread that post.

They didn't say shilling.

Yes but he responded to a post of mine where that IS what I was talking about.

As to your earlier post about dragoneye, well anyone who looks at your posting history might just get a bit of an ‘aul vibe that your political sympathies lie with a party other than those currently in government. So we could reply to every post you make here saying “well you would say that”.

Or we could, as most do, take you at your word that you genuinely have problems with metered water.

In short , play the ball not the man.

Now if only the other side ....

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

The post it was in response to did.

But just so we're clear. Hijpo was m(my understanding anywway) referring to the constant stereotyping going on that protestors were "unemployed scroungers", "council house scum", '"tax evaders" etc from many on this site.

Now it seems the Indo (OBrien controlled media) are attempting to portray the protester's as ' dissidents'.

I found it easy to understand tbh.

Hijpo

Phoebas wrote: »

The post it was in response to did.

Yep, just pointing out both sides have terms for each other. Its not just the pro brigade getting the brunt of it, like the IW installers.

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Yes but he responded to a post of mine where that IS what I was talking about.

As to your earlier post about dragoneye, well anyone who looks at your posting history might just get a bit of an ‘aul vibe that your political sympathies lie with a party other than those currently in government. So we could reply to every post you make here saying “well you would say that”.

Or we could, as most do, take you at your word that you genuinely have problems with metered water.

In short , play the ball not the man.

Now if only the other side ....

What a brainfart post.

I'm not on this site 4 weeks ago making enquiries about the legal standing of meter installations.

3 weeks ago, asking if a meter that had just been installed seemed to be very low, and asking other posters if it was the norm (you'd have thought the husband would have known)

Then only a matter of hours ago, it turns out they're now claiming the hubby is a meter installer who just got opened up with a rock, and conveniently didn't press charges.

(I'm still waiting on a case of assault or criminal damage against a gard or installer being brought to, or convicted btw)

So, playing the man not the ball is, pardon my french, balls.

The posting history from dragon eye casts serious doubts on any authenticity of their posts.

twowheelsgood

Banjo String wrote: »

The posting history from dragon eye casts serious doubts on any authenticity of their posts.

And that couldn't be said about you at all? :pac:

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

And that couldn't be said about you at all? :pac:

In what sense?

short , play the ball not the man.

As to your earlier post about dragoneye, well anyone who looks at your posting history might just get a bit of an ‘aul vibe that your political sympathies lie with a party other than those currently in government. So we could reply to every post you make here saying “well you would say that”.

I give up.

I didn't go through your posting history (hand on heart) but I think I recall from earlier interactions with you what your occupation is. (if I'm mistaking you I apologise in advance)

I'm not gonna even drag that on to the thread.

teddy_303

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

teddy_303 wrote: »

with an account with 9 posts made, this being your second on water meters also, there is a whiff of shill off your account imo..

the only injuries i've seen or heard of were of meter installers sending peaceful protesters to hospital in ambulences.. one 50 yr old lady with a broken elbow in dublin, and another elderly man in cork hit with a barrier by another installer... the only place i've heard of this porr water installers story was in the indo, owned by the same man who has the contract to install water meters, without any info to show the events reported actually even happened.... just saying...

i have also seen plenty of obvious irish water staff online spreading lies on other sites, expecting sympathy from the exploitable plebs. Also, party hacks with hidden identies, supporting IW, jobbridge, welfare cuts and tax increases online, and even joe duffy, who own businesses and were being grossly overpaid for services they offer, many multiples of their advertised prices, by government departments, or in emplotment of government departments... and they were at least as obnoxious as any FG mouthpeice... joe duffy interviewed a guy claiming to be on jobbridge, talking about how great he thought it was, when he got found out to actually be working in a very well paid position for the department of social protection FFS..

i wonder did he get through to talk live on air randomly? PFFFT!

funny how easy it is to spot the crocodile tears on thread after a while...

The 60 something year old man was discharged from hospital after being examined. But not before he rang the local radio station to fill them in on his panic attack!
Do you have a link to the Joe Duffy piece? What day was it on?

dragoneye

teddy_303 wrote: »

with an account with 9 posts made, this being your second on water meters also, there is a whiff of shill off your account imo..

the only injuries i've seen or heard of were of meter installers sending peaceful protesters to hospital in ambulences.. one 50 yr old lady with a broken elbow in dublin, and another elderly man in cork hit with a barrier by another installer... the only place i've heard of this porr water installers story was in the indo, owned by the same man who has the contract to install water meters, without any info to show the events reported actually even happened.... just saying...

i have also seen plenty of obvious irish water staff online spreading lies on other sites, expecting sympathy from the exploitable plebs. Also, party hacks with hidden identies, supporting IW, jobbridge, welfare cuts and tax increases online, and even joe duffy, who own businesses and were being grossly overpaid for services they offer, many multiples of their advertised prices, by government departments, or in emplotment of government departments... and they were at least as obnoxious as any FG mouthpeice... joe duffy interviewed a guy claiming to be on jobbridge, talking about how great he thought it was, when he got found out to actually be working in a very well paid position for the department of social protection FFS..

i wonder did he get through to talk live on air randomly? PFFFT!

funny how easy it is to spot the crocodile tears on thread after a while...

Wow ok kinda sorry I posted anything now - it did happen - I didn't hear about anything happening in cork that's not saying it's not true.

There is people out there making life difficult for those installers at the end of the day their doing a job.

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dragoneye wrote: »

Wow ok kinda sorry I posted anything now - it did happen - I didn't hear about anything happening in cork that's not saying it's not true.

There is people out there making life difficult for those installers at the end of the day their doing a job.

Did you forget your husband installed the actual meters you were having queries about only 3 weeks ago?

Got my meter installed last Thursday the 2nd - done a reading today & the reading was 151 - this seems very low can anyone tell me if it is

What'd hubby dearest say?

Creative Juices

Irish Steve wrote: »

Some will say I've snapped, others............ Who knows, I'm not sure I actually care any more. I'm tempted to find a piece of chain and connect myself to the gates in Dawson Street, but I'm not sure that it would actually make a difference.

The following is going out in my next E-mail run,

Dear Taoiseach

I was planning to write to you in relation to the issues that are being raised and discussed in just about every forum and meeting place regarding Irish Water.

My original stance was that I felt it was completely appropriate to have a state body that will recover the costs involved in providing water and treating waste water, and that metering was the best way to encourage conservation and I have been defending that stance on places like boards.ie, as my father was responsible for the management of a large waste water system for a city of 100,000 in the UK for over 40 years, so I acccumulated a considerable knowledge of the subject over time..

That was before I started looking at the way in which YOU, and your colleagues have allowed Irish Water to set up their operation. I was already unhappy with the ethos and culture of Irish Water, their focus and methods are completely inappropriate to a new company that has not yet really started trading or operating, but then, In the last few hours, I have been made aware that there are at least 3 "retired" county managers now working in full time management roles in Irish Water, and that has changed my thinking and attitude towards the whole thing..

I will keep this simple. Please consider your position, and that of your Government. You have so fundamentally reneged on the promises you made in your 2011 manifesto, I am now in the position where it is impossible for me to consider continuing to support Fine Gael unless there is a fundamental and far reaching restructuring of the party, and the people that are leading that party, and the deception and cronyism that is clear in the Irish Water situation leaves me with no option but to ask you to resign and call a general election at an early date.

To give you an idea of the disgust and contempt I feel towards the Irish Political system, I will tell you that despite being British, I am seriously considering that a vote for Sinn Fein will be my only way to positively express the absolute loathing I have for the mainline political system that is accepted as the norm in Ireland.

My political leaning would be centre right, but there is no way that I can vote for either of the main line political parties with a clear conscience, both FF and FG are so disconnected from the people that they are supposed to be serving, a vote for either of them would serve only to allow and legitimise the continuance of the present unacceptable situation, and I am no longer prepared to tolerate the regular insults that are being heaped on the heads of the people of Ireland by the people that are supposed to be representing us and acting with our best interests at heart,

Why am I so angry? Very simple. Irish Water has been stuffed full of retired semi state managers who have "retired" from Local authorities, with a considerably less than acceptable track record, on obscene pensions, and they have now been employed by Irish Water on even more obscene pay rates, which I find completely and utterly offensive and unacceptable.

I am happy to pay a reasonable charge for potable water, and for the work that is needed to enhance the system for the future, but there is NO WAY that I will pay for the slush fund of failed semi state managers who are already getting obscene pensions, they are the wrong people, with the wrong skills, in the wrong place, and the fact that you have allowed that to happen makes it even more damnable given your previous stance on these issues.

You very specifically promised that you would deal with the corruption, cronyism and inappropriate expenses and allowances culture, but instead, you have created an untouchable super quango that is stuffed full of semi state blow in managers from other areas of the state Golden Circle, at even higher pay rates than they were getting.

I find that both reprehensible and offensive, and completely inappropriate to the serious job that Irish Water are supposed to be carrying out, given that one of the reasons for setting up IW was because ot the failures of the local authorities to deliver an acceptable system and service

I'm struggling to even survive as a result of the mistakes and misleading information that was put into the public domain by Bertie Ahern and his cronies, which we made the mistake of believing, and instead of shutting down a good business that was feeling the pressure of the "supposedly short recession", and limiting our losses, we put more in, and lost it all, and more when the "short recession" turned out to be the worst in the history of the state. We have never recovered from that trauma, and the harsh reality is that we probably never will, given the scale of the debts we ended up with, and the massive losses in value on the one thing we own, our property..We are both of an age where finding acceptable employment has proved impossible, so our outlook on retirement is looking very bleak indeed, as it's very clear that in the medium to long term, all of our energy bills and our services bills for property tax, bins and water are only going to go in one direction.

As if that wasn't enough, as a direct result of the mis management and corrupt practices in Meath County Council over a long period of time, I have a house built in 1990 that I can't sell because it was built too low, and on a flood plain. To try and improve a bad situation, I have been trying to get Meath County council to remove a sewer pipe that runs over a stream close to us, as it was a contributory cause in €120,000 damage from overflowing sewers that flooded my property in 2002, but 12 years later, I am still trying to get an acceptable response from Meath, the OPW ( who also are involved) don't respond to E-mail messages, and having sent an E-mail to Irish Water on this subject nearly a month ago, I am still waiting for "the local representative" to make contact with me.

I have seen at first hand the sort of work practices that are deemed acceptable and normal in semi state bodies, as an external contractor, I was responsible for a long term project sorting out major problems that meant a new computer system was unusable in some areas as a result of the incompetence of the management, and the problems regarding the house here have meant that I have spent a significant amount of time trying to engage with people in Meath County Council and the Office of Public Works, but that has not produced any worthwhile results.

When you were first elected, I hoped that you were going to deliver on some of the promises that you made. but I am bitterly dissapointed that in the areas relating to the overhaul of politics and the state services, not only have you failed completely to deliver on your promises, but you have made it worse by allowing and apparently encouraging even more of the nepotism and cronyism that you were supposedly going to bring to an end.

Bluntly, you, your ministers and the government are out of touch with the reality that is life for the ordinary citizen. We don't enjoy the same life style that you and your colleagues appear to enjoy, and the disconnect between the political elite and the ordinary citizens of this country is becoming wider with every week that passes, and it seems that you are completely oblivious of the problems that the ordinary citizen is facing.

We don't get to do the ordinary things we used to, the decisions now are about if we will have hot water for a shower, or heating for an hour in the evening, because we can't afford to have both, and the thought of being made to contribute even more to the pay and pension pot of the people at the top of Irish Water is making my blood boil, because my experience of trying to engage with such people is that they are not worth the money they are being paid, because they are manifestly failing to deliver, and should not be in the positions that they are. The top people at IW are earning nearly €5000 a week, they will get more in a month that we will have coming into this house for the entire YEAR., that is the degree of disconnect that now exists across this state.

We won't get any help with our water bills, I'm not earning enough to be paying tax, and the limited benefits we get don't include the packages that will be enhanced to provide extra money towards the water charge, so our choice is that we will see our grandchildren in Co Clare even less often.

If we are lucky, and nothing goes wrong, we get down to Clare once every 3 or 4 months, that's going to be down to once or twice a year now, depending on what the eventual water charge actually ends up as.

So, to sum it up, right now, I am beyond angry, because I feel that having trusted Fine Gael to carry out the promises you made in 2011 regarding the state of politics in Ireland, I find that you have coldly and cynically set up a super quango full of the political elite, done a quiet and almost secret deal with the unions to ensure continued employment for people that there's no work for, and allowed a massive,bloated and inappropriate structure complete with an inappropriate "entitlement" bonus ,allowances and expenses culture without any regard for the people that will have to pay for that structure, and now that large numbers of people are rising up and saying that your plans are inappropriate and unacceptable, you and your ministers are becoming increasingly arrogant and dismissive of the legitimate and appropriate complaints of the people that you were elected to represent.

Last weekend, I didn't join the march in Ashbourne because there were groups in that march that didn't represent the opinions I wanted to express.

However, if there are more marches in the coming weeks, even if SF etc are there, I WILL be participating, in order to make sure that you get the very clear message about the degree of contempt I now feel towards you and your Government

I hope my feeling are clear, you have left me with no other option than to ask you to give serious and urgent consideration to resigning and calling an early general election, so that the people can express their views on the present state of the country. .

Yours Sincerely

Good letter Steve. I expect you'll get the bog standard fob-off response.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Creative Juices wrote: »

Good letter Steve. I expect you'll get the bog standard fob-off response.

He'll get the standard 'thank you for your letter' and 'It'll be forwarded to the appropriate place' (the trash bin).
Kenny will never see it.

teddy_303

dragoneye wrote: »

Wow ok kinda sorry I posted anything now - it did happen - I didn't hear about anything happening in cork that's not saying it's not true.

There is people out there making life difficult for those installers at the end of the day their doing a job.

well the lame stream media didn't report on a few very specific injuries to protesters i know of from social media, but the indo has reported on non specific, highly ambigious non events with no location, incident description, nothing... i'm of the opinion if what happened to your husband was true, it would be all over statist rte and DO'B's indo for some reason...

Creative Juices

Tinkersbell wrote: »

He'll get the standard 'thank you for your letter' and 'It'll be forwarded to the appropriate place' (the trash bin).
Kenny will never see it.

Agreed but he might get some stats on how many anti-IW emails he is getting and he will know emails mean votes.

In any case, I actually think Enda will have retired by GE 2016. It's what our crap leaders generally do.

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

He'll get the standard 'thank you for your letter' and 'It'll be forwarded to the appropriate place' (the trash bin).
Kenny will never see it.

probably not, but it's also gone to the local FG TD's and councillors, and they hopefully will get the message that there's something rotten in the state of Ireland.

emo72

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Great letter Steve. I'm sorry things are so ****ty for you.

teddy_303

Deleted User wrote: »

The 60 something year old man was discharged from hospital after being examined. But not before he rang the local radio station to fill them in on his panic attack!
Do you have a link to the Joe Duffy piece? What day was it on?

found it... http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/09/23/the-man-who-loves-jobbridge/

the lady in her 50's was brought to hospital where she was found to have a broken elbow btw....

teddy_303

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

teddy_303 wrote: »

found it... http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/09/23/the-man-who-loves-jobbridge/

the lady in her 50's was brought to hospital where she was found to have a broken elbow btw....

Thanks. I meant the radio broadcast. What day was it on?

teddy_303

the radio podcast was edited with this propagandast taken out after his game was rumbled supposedly... i didn't hear it myself. i wonder what % of joe listeners listen to podcasts opposed to live radio? not too high i'd guess...

dragoneye

@banjostring He thought it seemed correct I just asked that here because it seemed quite low to me I was just wanted to know the average water usage for a week in a house with two adults and one child.

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

downonthefarm wrote: »

I didn't see anything in cooloock that would constitute a riot.all i saw was a bit of jostling and banter.

Really? because the Facebook accounts of those in attendence claimed it was much more than that and if you look up the legal definition of riot it falls right into it.

teddy_303 wrote: »

well the lame stream media didn't report on a few very specific injuries to protesters i know of from social media, but the indo has reported on non specific, highly ambigious non events with no location, incident description, nothing... i'm of the opinion if what happened to your husband was true, it would be all over statist rte and DO'B's indo for some reason...

I have to admire the completely contradictory stance. If it appears in the Indo it isn't true because DOB owns it and if it doesn't appear in the Indo it's not true because DOB owns it. So basically you are prepared to dismiss any story you don't like based on the fact DOB owns the Indo. I mean, how is anyone supposed to have a reasonable discussion with you if you are just going to dismiss everything because DOB owns the Indo?

donvito99

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

Armed Guards for a PEACEFUL protest , why were they even within a 100 miles of the place? Why? Answer me that ?

If you cannot see the point being made to you , then i cannot help you with that. Maybe you are unable to have a balanced view on things donvito99 ?
My own opinion is it is much much too much OTT to have armed Guards helping IW with any type of installation of meters . That's my view and i have said it clearly .

But it's not your place to decide on how the Guards deploy their resources, it seems however that it is to decide on how they are best wasted.

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

Armed Guards for a PEACEFUL protest , why were they even within a 100 miles of the place? Why? Answer me that ?

If you cannot see the point being made to you , then i cannot help you with that. Maybe you are unable to have a balanced view on things donvito99 ?
My own opinion is it is much much too much OTT to have armed Guards helping IW with any type of installation of meters . That's my view and i have said it clearly .

That wasn't a gun he was carrying, it was a taser wasn't it? The Armed Response unit were likely just int he area and said they'd go to the call. The locals don't have any control over them. They pick and choose what they go to. And in all fairness, all they did was ask someone to step off the road and then they left.

branie2

I hope there are guards who are ashamed at what their colleagues are doing at the protest

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

branie2 wrote: »

I hope there are guards who are ashamed at what their colleagues are doing at the protest

Which protest?

branie2

Sorry, I meant the anti-water protests

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

branie2 wrote: »

Sorry, I meant the anti-water protests

Here's a representative example of the people who attended the protest at Coolock. Have a read through the comments and pick out the peaceful one. There are some extremely sinister and disgraceful comments.

https://www.facebook.com/EdenmoreSaysNo/posts/1552716361625721

Or is it all, as a previous poster suggested, just banter?

Little CuChulainn

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Here's a representative example of the people who attended the protest at Coolock. Have a read through the comments and pick out the peaceful one. There are some extremely sinister and disgraceful comments.

https://www.facebook.com/EdenmoreSaysNo/posts/1552716361625721

Or is it all, as a previous poster suggested, just banter?

Bloody Hell! Who'd be a Garda? Having to put up with that?

teddy_303

I have to admire the completely contradictory stance. If it appears in the Indo it isn't true because DOB owns it and if it doesn't appear in the Indo it's not true because DOB owns it. So basically you are prepared to dismiss any story you don't like based on the fact DOB owns the Indo. I mean, how is anyone supposed to have a reasonable discussion with you if you are just going to dismiss everything because DOB owns the Indo?[/QUOTE]


main stream media pushes bull**** stories and twists them to suit their agenda, equally hiding or minimising the stories that don't suit their agenda. whats confusing about that? unless you are deliberately being obtuse, like the muppet you fell the need to defend?