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Negative effects of smoking forms of cannabis

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    #152
    Bongalongherb
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    Holsten wrote: »
    Negative effects? Paranoia, depression, anxiety, kills motivation, excessive weight gain.

    If you had a week off where you had zero responsibilities and didn't care about your own fitness it would go very well with endless junk food and movies.

    In day to day life I don't know how anyone can smoke it and get anything done.

    The reason for this, is because you don't smoke it, or know how it affects you in such circumstances.

    It's easy really if you have a bit of will-power. Just don't smoke it on sunday to thursday as most folk will be busy and need to earn money, but just smoke it on friday after a long week and saturday and that's just nice. That will do it if a person can do it this way.

    How many cannabis creatures can you see on this Bud ? if you get 10 you have won.


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    #153
    BetterThanThou
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    I've yet to meet a "marijuana addict", even people who use it heavily, I've never seen a person who'd need to go off for a few to smoke a joint in order to relieve cravings. Even heavy users can go without it for any period of time if the need arises. And I honestly feel it would be easier for teenagers to obtain illegal cannabis than if it were made legal. When I was a teenager, it was much easier to call a dealer than find someone to buy drink for me, that only changed when I was nearly drinking age and my friends started becoming adults. Legalizing marijuana and putting it at reasonable prices would wipe out dealers immediately.


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    #154
    Holsten
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    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    The reason for this, is because you don't smoke it, or know how it affects you in such circumstances.

    It's easy really if you have a bit of will-power. Just don't smoke it on sunday to thursday as most folk will be busy and need to earn money, but just smoke it on friday after a long week and saturday and that's just nice. That will do it if a person can do it this way.

    How many cannabis creatures can you see on this Bud ? if you get 10 you have won.
    I don't smoke it regularly at all due to the effects it has on me, it would not be my drug of choice.

    I'm talking of those who clam to have multiple joints a day, I mean after a few drags most people are zombies, I become couch locked myself... marijuana and activity don't seem to mix in my view.


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    #155
    mikom
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    BetterThanThou wrote: »
    I've yet to meet a "marijuana addict", even people who use it heavily,

    You will meet most "marijuana addicts" on the steps of the court house, as it is a commonly used plea bargain aka pile of horse dung to tell the judge.
    The addiction clinics do well out of the solicitors telling the judge "my client was acting out of character due to his cannabis addiction, but he is now undergoing treatment at an addiction clinic".


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    #156
    Bongalongherb
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    Exercise for the week, and then relax and enjoy the herb, this is the second Key, to not lose motivational habits.


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    #157
    Bongalongherb
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    mikom wrote: »
    You will meet most "marijuana addicts" on the steps of the court house, as it is a commonly used plea bargain aka pile of horse dung to tell the judge.
    The addiction clinics do well out of the solicitors telling the judge "my client was acting out of character due to his cannabis addiction, but he is now undergoing treatment at an addiction clinic".

    That same logic works with alcohol and pharmaceutical drug addiction in all courts. It's always a Key (3) to get out of jail.

    The judges we have here in Ireland are not living in the same reality as your average joe, that's for sure.


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    #158
    The Pheasant2
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    Laois6556 wrote: »
    I have no respect for selfish people who want to legalise it for themselves when it will do harm to others .

    Too right! Like those selfish bastards who legalised peanuts! People have died from eating them yanno?! :eek:


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    #159
    catallus
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    We should be concerned for those people who are so bereft of moral fortitude that they are willing to put their souls in peril by indulging their attraction to the false inner illumination offered by drugs, like moths to a flame.


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    #160
    Holsten
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    catallus wrote: »
    We should be concerned for those people who are so bereft of moral fortitude that they are willing to put their souls in peril by indulging their attraction to the false inner illumination offered by drugs, like moths to a flame.
    wat?

    Cannot be serious!


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    #161
    One eyed Jack
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    catallus wrote: »
    We should be concerned for those people who are so bereft of moral fortitude that they are willing to put their souls in peril by indulging their attraction to the false inner illumination offered by drugs, like moths to a flame.


    The hell are you smoking? Sounds like some good shìt! :D


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    #162
    Tarzana
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    Fat Christy wrote: »
    The same can be said for alcohol though....

    Not everyone reacts the same way to weed. Some people are really horrible abusive drunks. Alcohol is a mind altering substance just like any other drug. Some drugs are worse than others, yes, but alcohol consumption can be just as dangerous as taking weed.

    Sure, we know that. Alcohol's negative effects are very well documented but it sometimes seems like weed nearly always gets a pass. I don't know why when people discuss the negative effects of weed, someone always pipes up "Oh alcohol is as bad/worse!" Nobody is saying it isn't!


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    #163
    my teapot is orange
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    I think some of the effects can be hard to measure concretely. I can think of three highly intelligent young guys who are doing absolutely nothing that remotely matches their ability with their lives and they all have this in common, yet because they are not falling around the streets and starting fights, we're not allowed to say it's due to this habit or even recognise that there's something wrong at all. We have to be PC and say everybody is allowed to make their own choices and maybe they just choose not to be ambitious, but that does them no favours in the long run.


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    #164
    Bongalongherb
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    'Mikom'. You dropped a bit right beside your left foot there. Just move the small round table you have there and it's right under that. It might be better to use that torch you have there on the desk to see it, it's beside the bit of white paper under that table.


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    #165
    JohnDaniels
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    Cormac... wrote: »
    Is it any different to someone who isn't suited to drinking?
    You know the male who starts fights after alcohol or the female who cries uncontrollably.
    Some people should just not do certain things as it brings out the worst in them, does not suit their personality and maybe exasperating existing medical conditions.
    Cannabis for your friend is one of those things

    This really is at the heart of the problem. I know many people who just don't like alcohol as a drug. Generally though for them to make the choice not to drink then it becomes socially very hard. I know one girl who loves a smoke and feels as a way of relaxing, unwinding etc it suits her much better as a drug. She said to me she just isn't built for alcohol. Why should she not have the choice to socialise in public with her drug of choice the way others have with alcohol?


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    #166
    Rory28
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Sure, we know that. Alcohol's negative effects are very well documented but it sometimes seems like weed nearly always gets a pass. I don't know why when people discuss the negative effects of weed, someone always pipes up "Oh alcohol is as bad/worse!" Nobody is saying it isn't!

    Its illegal, how does it get a pass?


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    #167
    Tarzana
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    Rory28 wrote: »
    Its illegal, how does it get a pass?

    I mean in general discussion and among its defenders. It being illegal is ridiculous, IMO, but in arguing that it should be decriminalised, many don't acknowledge that there is anything harmful about it, which is just silly. Admitting it can have some harmful effects shouldn't hurt an argument for it to be made legal.


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    #168
    Lyger
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    I think people just use the alcohol comparison when any use of cannabis at all, including an occasional smoke, is deemed as dangerous as abusing the substance.
    Seeing as it's possible to consume alcohol in moderation and not do any damage/become an alcoholic, that's what people are saying about cannabis when they compare it with alcohol.


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    #169
    FullblownRose
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    Good to see there are plenty of people well capable of holding balanced views and not being prone to hysterics...:)


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    #170
    Too Tough To Die
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    FullblownRose wrote: »
    Good to see there are plenty of people well capable of holding balanced views and not being prone to hysterics...:)

    Like the OP?


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    #171
    FullblownRose
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    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Like the OP?

    I wasn't being sarcastic myself but thanks, nice of you to chip in to say that :P


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    #172
    CaptainInsano
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    I suffered from panic disorder as a teen, had a very difficulttime with it. A guy in school offered me a smoke, said it would relax me, being impressionable/an idiot I thought this was exactly what I needed. Nearly had a nervous breakdown, messed up the rest of my time at school ,I still get anxious if I get a whiff of it and I'm 30 now. To each his own, for sure, but it can do damage if you're mind isn't built for it I believe.


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    #173
    InTheTrees
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    I work about half a mile from of one three legal "recreational" marijuana shops here in Seattle. Totally legal, not medicinal, or decriminalised but completely legal (for adults).

    Because the shops have only been licensed for six months or so, and stock is limited (because it has to come from Washington state growers who have only been licensed for less than a year), there are only 3 open so far, so the ones that are open have long queues.

    The queue is a fascinating cross section of society. Certainly 90% affluent (well dressed/groomed anyway) and middle class. And a lot of older people too.


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    #174
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Interesting to listen to Bob Marleys son Ziggy being interviewed on radio yesterday. He seems to be vehemently opposed to the smoking of cannabis. I suppose he's an older guy now and has grown out of it. He says he still smokes rolly tobacco on special occasions, you have to have something to live for I suppose.


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    #175
    mikom
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Interesting to listen to Bob Marleys son Ziggy being interviewed on radio yesterday. He seems to be vehemently opposed to the smoking of cannabis. I suppose he's an older guy now and has grown out of it. He says he still smokes rolly tobacco on special occasions, you have to have something to live for I suppose.

    Meanwhile the ball keeps on rolling..........
    In what may come as a surprise to those whose knowledge of Jamaica is gleaned from Bob Marley albums and TV shows about Rastas, smoking cannabis is a criminal offence in the Caribbean country.


    But not for much longer, after the government of the island announced plans to decriminalise marijuana and put an end to a ban stretching back 100 years.


    It could be the most obvious law change to make since the United States lifted a ban on alcohol in 1933.
    Indeed, it has been steps taken in some US states to decriminalise cannabis which has paved the way for the policy on the island, said Jamaica's justice minister.


    As a result, the threat of sanctions by the United States over the issue has retreated, meaning Rastafarians will soon be able to light up some 'sacred herb' without fearing the police coming through the door.


    Drug Policy Alliance spokesman Ethan Nadelmann told PA it was a "significant step forward." He said: "[It's] both noteworthy in that Jamaica is reforming policies on possession, religious use and medical use at more or less the same time, and politically important in providing leadership in the Caribbean."

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cannabis-be-made-legal-jamaica-embraces-marijuana-1468065

    As an interesting aside........
    Incidence rates for schizophrenia in Jamaica are lower than those reported in Afro-Caribbean immigrants in the UK and within the reported range for other population groups worldwide.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7582668

    If you believe all the shite spouted about cannabis and mental illness you'd think the Jamaicans in their homeland would have a higher than normal rate of schizophrenia............ but not so.
    If you were to rattle the results around and pluck any theory it seems immigration has a greater chance of giving you schizophrenia.

    God help all the Irish in OZ.


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    #176
    FullblownRose
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I work about half a mile from of one three legal "recreational" marijuana shops here in Seattle. Totally legal, not medicinal, or decriminalised but completely legal (for adults).

    Because the shops have only been licensed for six months or so, and stock is limited (because it has to come from Washington state growers who have only been licensed for less than a year), there are only 3 open so far, so the ones that are open have long queues.

    The queue is a fascinating cross section of society. Certainly 90% affluent (well dressed/groomed anyway) and middle class. And a lot of older people too.

    I read an interview with two women who started up one of those shops, I don't remember where it is. They were extremely snobby about their clientele, actually. I was surprised they hadnt introduced a dress-code.


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    #177
    mikeyjames9
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    Does vaping damage your lungs?


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    #178
    DarkyHughes
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    mikeyjames9 wrote: »
    Does vaping damage your lungs?

    No, but it slows your heart down to dangerous levels.


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    #179
    mikom
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    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    No, but it slows your heart down to dangerous levels.

    Horseshit.
    Honestly, the amount of misinformation on this thread is truly saddening.


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    #180
    DarkyHughes
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    mikom wrote: »
    Horseshit.
    Honestly, the amount of misinformation on this thread is truly saddening.

    It's a well known fact. It can also make your nose bleed.


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    #181
    renegademaster
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    "Because I Got High" Positive Remix

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8AuMOGx_KY

    I had something to say, but then i got high :pac::pac:


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