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Meanwhile in California.........A new report from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice adds to the growing body of evidence that legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana does not lead to any number of doomsday scenarios envisioned by legalization opponents. Looking specifically at California, where full marijuana decriminalization went into effect on Jan. 1, 2011, the report finds that "marijuana decriminalization in California has not resulted in harmful consequences for teenagers, such as increased crime, drug overdose, driving under the influence, or school dropout. In fact, California teenagers showed improvements in all risk areas after reform."
Most notable in the above table is the drop in school dropout rates. Recent studies have suggested links between heavy marijuana use and low school completion rates. But many experts question the direction of causality in this relationship, suggesting that there could be any number of confounding factors that account for this relationship. While it's still early in California's decriminalization experiment, the numbers above should suggest we cast a skeptical eye on claims of plummeting academic achievement in a post-legalization world.
In fact, as the report authors write: "By a variety of measures, California’s teenage behaviors actually improved dramatically after marijuana was effectively legalized — improvements that occurred more weakly or not at all among older Californians and among teenagers nationwide."
Now of course this doesn't address causality, and these numbers shouldn't be taken to imply that decriminalization caused these declines. But they do show, pretty clearly, that in the two years since full-scale decriminalization went into effect, California's kids are still all right. The sky hasn't fallen. And they add to a mounting body of research that shows, for instance:- that teen drug and alcohol use continues to fall, even as more states decriminalize marijuana and make it available for medical purposes;
- that states with medical marijuana laws haven't seen any uptick in teen marijuana use;
- that states with medical marijuana have actually seen decreases in prescription drug overdoses;
- that Alaska, where personal marijuana use has been de facto legalized for nearly 40 years, is completely average on a variety of economic and demographic indicators;
- and that traffic fatalities have fallen in Colorado since legalization there.
By contrast, there is little evidence of increased social harms in states where marijuana has been decriminalized. The one credible study I'm aware of is a DEA report finding that more Colorado drivers involved in car crashes are testing positive for marijuana use. But a bucket of salt is needed here: unlike alcohol, inactive marijuana metabolites remain in the body long after consumption - days or weeks, depending on frequency of use. But the presence of metabolites doesn't necessarily indicate you were high at the time of the test - only that you got high some time in the days or weeks prior.
Even if we accept that more Coloradans are using marijuana, and that some of them are getting behind the wheel while stoned, we still have to note that traffic fatalities are down overall - this is likely because it's far less dangerous to drive stoned than it is to drive drunk. This would suggest that some Coloradans are using marijuana in place of alcohol, rather than in addition to it.
In short, the barrier of proof facing legalization opponents is incredibly high. In order to present a compelling case against marijuana liberalization, they have to demonstrate A) that liberalization is associated with a negative outcome;
that that association is indeed causal, not just coincidental; and C) that the harms from that negative outcome are greater than the myriad harms caused by blanket prohibition of marijuana. But so far, state experiments with liberalization have not produced any consequences that pass even that first test. Considering that we're now close to 20 years out from when California voters first legalized medical marijuana, this should be reassuring news for everyone.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/15/after-california-decriminalized-weed-teen-arrest-overdose-and-dropout-rates-fell/0 -
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InTheTrees wrote: »Grim?
What do you mean "grim"?
Its a genuine wilderness.
You can take a floatplane and fly off into the bush, land on some unnamed lake and build yourself a house and nobody will bother you or even know you're there.
Its an amazing place.
It is amazing but I wasnt talking about the scenery. I was talking about problems within their society. It seems that, on paper, they're doing comparatively well, but I have heard differently from a friend who lives there.
It was just a casual remark.
And no, I've no links to back that up, and let's not turn it into the alaska thread.
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FullblownRose wrote: »
And no, I've no links to back that up, and let's not turn it into the alaska thread.
Is that why they invented baked Alaska ?0 -
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Kevin McCloud wrote: »Erectile dysfunction.
thats unfortunate. cannabis works the opposite way for me 0 -
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FullblownRose wrote: »It is amazing but I wasnt talking about the scenery. I was talking about problems within their society. It seems that, on paper, they're doing comparatively well, but I have heard differently from a friend who lives there.
It was just a casual remark.
And no, I've no links to back that up, and let's not turn it into the alaska thread.
More unspecified and un-linked nuggets of information. From a friend this time who lives in Alaska.
I didnt even know weed was legal in Alaska. Imagine that. Cant remember hearing any shocking stories after 39 years of legalised unfettered access. Unless your friend can tell us all how bad it is?0 -
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I tend to pull people on misinformation especially friends.
I would hope their level of debate might be above going off in a huff whilst muttering "I don't want to get into a silly argument about it so leave it alone please.....There are no medals for the most links or the longest drawn out argument.".
Oooh. Well, I'm sorry if I offended you. You and the worm are of course entitled to your style of discussion, and it's important that there are people willing to do lots of investigating and share their findings. There's a difference between discussion and debate. If I wished to debate the subject then of course I would be happy to get involved in posting links with every comment.
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FullblownRose wrote: »There's a difference between discussion and debate. If I wished to debate the subject then of course I would be happy to get involved in posting links with every comment.
Links were brought in as this is online discourse.
Discussion flows and evolves.
Either keep up or drop out.FullblownRose wrote: »Personally, I'd prefer to discuss it in terms of peoples experiences in general, that's all.
My personal experiences are on the thread for all to see.
None of this friend of a friend told me lark.You can't hide the truth from people, no matter how hard you try.
You are doing a good job.
Care to comment on these facts.........A new report from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice adds to the growing body of evidence that legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana does not lead to any number of doomsday scenarios envisioned by legalization opponents. Looking specifically at California, where full marijuana decriminalization went into effect on Jan. 1, 2011, the report finds that "marijuana decriminalization in California has not resulted in harmful consequences for teenagers, such as increased crime, drug overdose, driving under the influence, or school dropout. In fact, California teenagers showed improvements in all risk areas after reform."
Most notable in the above table is the drop in school dropout rates. Recent studies have suggested links between heavy marijuana use and low school completion rates. But many experts question the direction of causality in this relationship, suggesting that there could be any number of confounding factors that account for this relationship. While it's still early in California's decriminalization experiment, the numbers above should suggest we cast a skeptical eye on claims of plummeting academic achievement in a post-legalization world.
In fact, as the report authors write: "By a variety of measures, California’s teenage behaviors actually improved dramatically after marijuana was effectively legalized — improvements that occurred more weakly or not at all among older Californians and among teenagers nationwide."
Now of course this doesn't address causality, and these numbers shouldn't be taken to imply that decriminalization caused these declines. But they do show, pretty clearly, that in the two years since full-scale decriminalization went into effect, California's kids are still all right. The sky hasn't fallen. And they add to a mounting body of research that shows, for instance:- that teen drug and alcohol use continues to fall, even as more states decriminalize marijuana and make it available for medical purposes;
- that states with medical marijuana laws haven't seen any uptick in teen marijuana use;
- that states with medical marijuana have actually seen decreases in prescription drug overdoses;
- that Alaska, where personal marijuana use has been de facto legalized for nearly 40 years, is completely average on a variety of economic and demographic indicators;
- and that traffic fatalities have fallen in Colorado since legalization there.
By contrast, there is little evidence of increased social harms in states where marijuana has been decriminalized. The one credible study I'm aware of is a DEA report finding that more Colorado drivers involved in car crashes are testing positive for marijuana use. But a bucket of salt is needed here: unlike alcohol, inactive marijuana metabolites remain in the body long after consumption - days or weeks, depending on frequency of use. But the presence of metabolites doesn't necessarily indicate you were high at the time of the test - only that you got high some time in the days or weeks prior.
Even if we accept that more Coloradans are using marijuana, and that some of them are getting behind the wheel while stoned, we still have to note that traffic fatalities are down overall - this is likely because it's far less dangerous to drive stoned than it is to drive drunk. This would suggest that some Coloradans are using marijuana in place of alcohol, rather than in addition to it.
In short, the barrier of proof facing legalization opponents is incredibly high. In order to present a compelling case against marijuana liberalization, they have to demonstrate A) that liberalization is associated with a negative outcome; that that association is indeed causal, not just coincidental; and C) that the harms from that negative outcome are greater than the myriad harms caused by blanket prohibition of marijuana. But so far, state experiments with liberalization have not produced any consequences that pass even that first test. Considering that we're now close to 20 years out from when California voters first legalized medical marijuana, this should be reassuring news for everyone.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/15/after-california-decriminalized-weed-teen-arrest-overdose-and-dropout-rates-fell/0 -
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