Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

Fr. Ned

Fr. Ned wrote: »

You lads are gas craic altogether.
There's one f*ckwit on here who has claimed that I draw the dole, don't pay taxes and the most recent, laughable claim, was that I was 'driving while texting, is there no law these protesters won't break'.
Seriously people, if you want to argue the point in favour of water taxes/charges, you should drop the childish crap some of you come out with.

Problem is Fr Ned, they have failed to show any laws being broken by the protesters in any video, and when pressed to provide them they cant support their claims.

I would like to say who or who I really think these lads are but everytime I do I get an infraction!

Fr. Ned

Deleted User wrote: »

Problem is Fr Ned, they have failed to show any laws being broken by the protesters in any video, and when pressed to provide them they cant support their claims.

I would like to say who or who I really think these lads are but everytime I do I get an infraction!

I've reported the false claims but to no avail. Mention a nationality and one gets accused of racism, yes racism........you couldn't make it up.
Best thing is to ignore it, just smile and laugh at the pettiness of it all.
I hope that's not too 'uncivil'.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Seems to be getting a bit trivial when people are arguing over bald tires and smoking and thinking it's in some way relevant to "peaceful protest".

If this is all that's left; slaash thread.

Pinch Flat

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I've reported the false claims but to no avail. Mention a nationality and one gets accused of racism, yes racism........you couldn't make it up.
Best thing is to ignore it, just smile and laugh at the pettiness of it all.
I hope that's not too 'uncivil'.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WSn-9zzMxIU

So here we have a guard with a high court order and protesters breaching that. Is that not in itself illegal?

And the videos on Dublin says no and other websites show harrassment, intimidation and obstruction of people going about their jobs. Peaceful protest - no problem. But when people resort to the behaviours we see on these videos, that's where people have an issue

Timberrrrrrrr

Deleted User wrote: »

Timberrrrrrrr;92645941]

As I have pointed out, the law is the law. If people choose to break the law then that is their option.

Just because people break the law by smoking in the workplace regardless of it being outdoors, this cant cancel out those laws.

Define the workplace for someone who works out doors and define what a smoking area is please, Also still waiting for you to show the law that states employers MUST provide a dedicated smoking area.

What is the law on smoking in the workplace? You can only smoke in designated areas outdoors.

Is a public street a designated area by an employer to smoke? NO.

I don't think you fully understand the law, colour me surprised :rolleyes:

Fr. Ned

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Seems to be getting a bit trivial when people are arguing over bald tires and smoking and thinking it's in some way relevant to "peaceful protest".

If this is all that's left; slaash thread.

Don't for get 'texting while driving' even though I was sitting at my kitchen table using the laptop.....
It's just childish minds with nothing better to do.

Fr. Ned

Pinch Flat wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WSn-9zzMxIU

So here we have a guard with a high court order and protesters breaching that. Is that not in itself illegal?

And the videos on Dublin says no and other websites show harrasent, intimidation and obstruction of people going about their jobs. Peaceful protest - no problem. But then people resort to the behaviours we see on these videos, that's where people have an issue

I don't nor haven't watched any of the videos you guys put up and the reason for that is that you have never posted a video of a peaceful protest where nothing really happened.
It's a one sided show all the way from you people.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Seems to be getting a bit trivial when people are arguing over bald tires and smoking and thinking it's in some way relevant to "peaceful protest".

If this is all that's left; slaash thread.

It is claimed that the protesters are braking the law and because they are law breakers they are "Scum"

When its pointed out to them that no laws have been broken they refuse to withdraw their claims of the protesters being "scum" they refuse.

However when its pointed out that the Irish Water workers appear to be breaking laws, the very same people rush to their defence!

I have never in my life seen such a thread allowed to continue where certain posters are allowed to attack and using offensive slurs against other people.

What makes it worse is that these people are being defamed in videos they appear in by the same group of posters and leaving boards.ie open to legal action.

I certainly agree this thread has served its time and needs to be closed, its become nothing more than a circle jerk for people who have nothing better to do that make libelous attacks on people in videos.

Timberrrrrrrr

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I don't nor haven't watched any of the videos you guys put up and the reason for that is that you have never posted a video of a peaceful protest where nothing really happened.
It's a one sided show all the way from you people.

It was uploaded by your buddies in the Dublin says no

Quin_Dub

This thread has really lost the run of itself....

Some are claiming that the protests are working based on the Budget announcements..

It's very debatable whether the government really changed their minds in the last few days in regards to the reliefs against water charges , but that's a discussion for another thread..

However if we believe for a moment that they did in fact change tack over the week-end then it was the well organised ,calm and totally legal protest in Dublin city on Saturday that would have done it..Whether you agree with the protest or not , it was done the right way.

It certainly had absolutely nothing to do with the on-going water meter installation "protests" that are happening in Dublin.

As I said before - regardless of the finer points of legality ( we could all go round and round forever on that one) , protests that involve screaming and shouting obscenities , name calling and other infantile activities (crowding around people to stop them doing work , blocking vehicles , "baby-steps" etc.) achieve absolutely nothing in the long term...

It doesn't garner wider support , it doesn't actually prevent the work being done (slows it down for sure) and it's not going to stop bills coming through the postbox in January or whenever the first one is due.

The Government isn't going to give in to that kind of activity , because lets be fair , it doesn't hurt them in the slightest. The people involved in these activities are not their voters and never have been (maybe a few Labour voters in there, but likely a small number percentage-wise). These guys are SF , AAA, PbP and Workers party voters and always have been.

However , 100k people turning up in Dublin to calmly and correctly protest their case - that's a different story.

Badger2009

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I don't nor haven't watched any of the videos you guys put up and the reason for that is that you have never posted a video of a peaceful protest where nothing really happened.
It's a one sided show all the way from you people.

But the videos are put up by the 'peaceful protestors'? Their own videos show them obstructing and harassing workers.

Fr. Ned

It's just a pity there's not a law against posting crap on the internet about people you know nothing about.
But we know what we're dealing with here.

Timberrrrrrrr

Deleted User wrote: »

It is claimed that the protesters are braking the law and because they are law breakers they are "Scum"

When its pointed out to them that no laws have been broken they refuse to withdraw their claims of the protesters being "scum" they refuse.

However when its pointed out that the Irish Water workers appear to be breaking laws, the very same people rush to their defence!

I have never in my life seen such a thread allowed to continue where certain posters are allowed to attack and using offensive slurs against other people.

What makes it worse is that these people are being defamed in videos they appear in by the same group of posters and leaving boards.ie open to legal action.

I certainly agree this thread has served its time and needs to be closed, its become nothing more than a circle jerk for people who have nothing better to do that make libelous attacks on people in videos.

Their's your problem right there.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Define the workplace for someone who works out doors and define what a smoking area is please, Also still waiting for you to show the law that states employers MUST provide a dedicated smoking area.




I don't think you fully understand the law, colour me surprised :rolleyes:

Is it illegal to smoke in the workplace YES/NO

Where can people smoke whilst at work, Designated areas? YES/NO

Is the outdoors in a public street a designated area? YES/NO

Would a employer allow a worker to smoke at any time near heavy machinery and dealing with the public? YES/NO

Fr. Ned

Badger2009 wrote: »

But the videos are put up by the 'peaceful protestors'? Their own videos show them obstructing and harassing workers.

They're re-posted here by you people.

Phoebas

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I don't nor haven't watched any of the videos you guys put up and the reason for that is that you have never posted a video of a peaceful protest where nothing really happened.
It's a one sided show all the way from you people.

You haven't watched any of them but you know the contents of all of them.
This thread is going quantam.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Define the workplace for someone who works out doors and define what a smoking area is please, Also still waiting for you to show the law that states employers MUST provide a dedicated smoking area.




I don't think you fully understand the law, colour me surprised :rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Their's your problem right there.

Theirs your problem, unlike you I do not claim people have broken the law because only a court of law can pass that.

However you carry on;:rolleyes:

Fr. Ned

Anyway, enough said.
Time to restock the ignore list.

Timberrrrrrrr

Deleted User wrote: »

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Is it illegal to smoke in the workplace YES/NO

IN The work place? Yes

Where can people smoke whilst at work, Designated areas? YES/NO

Yes, Do you have evidence that "outside" is not classed as the designated smoking area?

Is the outdoors in a public street a designated area? YES/NO

Yes

Would a employer allow a worker to smoke at any time near heavy machinery and dealing with the public? YES/NO

Yes

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/health_and_safety/ban_on_smoking_in_the_workplace_in_ireland.html

Smoking is forbidden in enclosed places of work .

Rules

You are not allowed to smoke in an enclosed place of work

Deleted User

=Timberrrrrrrr;92646352]

Deleted User wrote: »

IN The work place? Yes

Are you seriously now claiming that the Irish water worker want IN his workplace?

Yes, Do you have evidence that "outside" is not classed as the designated smoking area?

YES, an company has no legal rights to claim that a public street is their designated smoking area.

Yes

Rubbish, prehaps you can prrovide me the law wehere private companies can claim public areas as their designated areas?

Yes

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/health_and_safety/ban_on_smoking_in_the_workplace_in_ireland.html



Rules

So what about all those workers smoking in a enclosed space that is closed off as they install meters?



Simple questions for you agian,

Is the Worker in the video at work YES/NO

IS It Legal to smoke in your workplace? YES/NO

Is the worker in his workplace YES/NO

Are you saying public streets can be taken as private designated areas by private companies? YES/NO


I wont be able to reply for a while as Im back at work now, unlike some who seem to be posting all the time whilst at work.

Peppa Pig

Deleted User wrote: »

What is the law on smoking in the workplace? You can only smoke in designated areas outdoors..

As I pointed out a few posts ago (but you chose to ignore), this only applies to people who work in enclosed locations.
The employer does not even have to provide a smoking area.

Deleted User wrote: »

Is a public street a designated area by an employer to smoke? NO.

No - but it is designated by law that any adult can smoke there

Timberrrrrrrr

Deleted User wrote: »

So what about all those workers smoking in a enclosed space that is closed off as they install meters?

Can you show me one of them smoking in an enclosed space?

Bearing in mind an enclosed space in relation to the smoking laws is

Smoking is forbidden in enclosed places of work . This includes office blocks, various buildings, public houses/bars, restaurants and company vehicles (cars and vans).

Simple questions for you agian,

Is the Worker in the video at work YES/NO

Yes they are

IS It Legal to smoke in your workplace? YES/NO

Again i point out the IMPORTANT word

Is the worker in his workplace YES/NO

No he isn't

Are you saying public streets can be taken as private designated areas by private companies? YES/NO

Where did i say that?

I wont be able to reply for a while as Im back at work now, unlike some who seem to be posting all the time whilst at work.

Care to name them?

Peppa Pig

Peppa Pig wrote: »

As I pointed out a few posts ago (but you chose to ignore), this only applies to people who work in enclosed locations.
The employer does not even have to provide a smoking area.

No - but it is designated by law that any adult can smoke there

My apologies, must have missed that post.

Maybe you could be a dear and post the law that says you can smoke in the workplace outside?

Beaner1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My apologies, must have missed that post.

Maybe you could be a dear and post the law that says you can smoke in the workplace outside?

You're a special one. Laws are not there to describe even possible legal situation. They are there to show illegal situations. Such an irrelevant thing to argue about. Go back to your council house.

Fukuyama

The top two trends among idiot protesters:

• Recording "evidence" on smartphones and uploading said evidence to YouTube
• Trying to catch police/workers out on laws entirely unrelated to their 'plight', which in truth they know nothing about.

Gatling

Dean0088 wrote: »

The top two trends among idiot protesters:

• Recording "evidence" on smartphones and uploading said evidence to YouTube
• Trying to catch police/workers out on laws entirely unrelated to their 'plight', which in truth they know nothing about.

Don't forget the Garda Brutality headlines for the videos

SantryRed

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you read?



Does that look like a outdoor smoking area too you?

Are you deliberately missing the word enclosed or what?

Peppa Pig

Deleted User wrote: »

My apologies, must have missed that post.

Maybe you could be a dear and post the law that says you can smoke in the workplace outside?

Don't be so condescending.

There is no law saying you can smoke in the workplace outside. The law (as you clearly know) bans smoking in enclosed places, including workplaces.
It never needed to be legislated allowing it outdoors in the workplace as it always was allowed. It's the same as smoking being allowed in private cars. If that is ever banned it will be legislated as not being allowed in cars, not that it is allowed outside cars.

Perhaps you could post the law saying it's allowed to stand on a public footpath?

Anyway - I thought you were going back to work? :rolleyes:

Pinch Flat

Dean0088 wrote: »

The top two trends among idiot protesters:

• Recording "evidence" on smartphones and uploading said evidence to YouTube
• Trying to catch police/workers out on laws entirely unrelated to their 'plight', which in truth they know nothing about.

Forgot one

[*] Harassing, intimidating, obstructing or generally provoking workers involved in the meter installation or the Gardai, then posting videos of 'harassment' or 'police brutality'

Timberrrrrrrr

Deleted User wrote: »

So what about all those workers smoking in a enclosed space that is closed off as they install meters?



Simple questions for you agian,

Is the Worker in the video at work YES/NO

IS It Legal to smoke in your workplace? YES/NO

Is the worker in his workplace YES/NO

Are you saying public streets can be taken as private designated areas by private companies? YES/NO


I wont be able to reply for a while as Im back at work now, unlike some who seem to be posting all the time whilst at work.

Learn to quote fs

Are you seriously now claiming that the Irish water worker want IN his workplace?

His workplace would be the offices where he is based, He was working OFF SITE therefore he wasn't in his workplace.

YES, an company has no legal rights to claim that a public street is their designated smoking area.

Walk through the city any day and see the staff from shops smoking outside :rolleyes:

Rubbish, prehaps you can prrovide me the law wehere private companies can claim public areas as their designated areas?

See above