Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

Fukuyama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWq8uwsI0E

Here, a "scab" is bravely prevented from entering the evil corporation headquarters. This group of brave socialist rebels must be so proud. Nothing to do with IW, but posted by the same core group of "activists". I feel pretty bad for the woman here who is obviously intimidated and upset, and ultimately is prevented from going to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pXcJUR-21s

Here, gardaí are called thugs, cúnts, etc.. despite treating protesters with kid gloves. I didn't spot a single baton or anything that'd leave a bruise. One guard pushes a woman which is apparently some sort of holy sin.


My area and places all over the country are awash with this crap. And the core group is one merry band of protesters traveling around Dublin to whip up trouble. Whether it's Irish Water or some other issue, the cannot just protest like ordinary citizens do. Instead they have to block roads and intimidate people.

The same characters appear in multiple videos in several different housing estates.

Should the guards not just wade in with batons, make a load of arrests (50+) and be done for the day? Instead of just babysitting a bunch of idiots on a Tuesday morning only for work to proceed at a snail's pace?

The time to protest has come and gone. Nobody wants to pay water charges just the way nobody wants to pay their ESB bill. But it's happening and needs to happen. This sort of crap is costing us tens of thousands in wasted garda time, contractor resources etc...

Not to mention the fact that these peaceful protesters think they're above the law and use intimidation of workers as their main tactic.

Here, protesters march alongside the Public Order Unit (who also used extra padded kid gloves). Some adopted a goosestep march and began chanting "Seig Heil" (@ 2:28). They seem to be a high caliber bunch...

I really think the guards need to change tactics here. I understand that they don't want to make martyrs of the "protesters" and add fuel to the fire, but as it stands they're just babysitting a traveling circus.

:rolleyes:

BoJack Horseman

The Left in Ireland.
All the expenditure...none of the taxes.

Kermit.de.frog

Are they not violating a court order by harassing and intimidating that woman and preventing her from going in?

end of the road

Dean0088 wrote: »

Should the guards not just wade in with batons, make a load of arrests (50+) and be done for the day? Instead of just babysitting a bunch of idiots on a Tuesday morning only for work to proceed at a snail's pace?

no . would lead to a violent blood bath and it would be the guards coming out worse reputation wise. the current tactic is fine.

Dean0088 wrote: »

The time to protest has come and gone.

it hasn't. and it never will.

Dean0088 wrote: »

Nobody wants to pay water charges just the way nobody wants to pay their ESB bill.

ESB and water are not comparible. water is payed for via income tax where as ESB isn't and never has been.

Dean0088 wrote: »

it's happening and needs to happen.

it doesn't need to happen. why does it need to happen. to keep a few on their gravey train and a DOB company in business?

Dean0088 wrote: »

This sort of crap is costing us tens of thousands in wasted garda time, contractor resources etc...

i don't care. as the contractors are private companies i've no sympathy. any time and money lost by them is collateral damage for the greater good of making the implementation of water metres as difficult as possible.

Dean0088 wrote: »

Not to mention the fact that these peaceful protesters think they're above the law

they are. get over it

Dean0088 wrote: »

I really think the guards need to change tactics here.

they really don't

Dean0088 wrote: »

I understand that they don't want to make martyrs of the "protesters" and add fuel to the fire, but as it stands they're just babysitting a traveling circus.

yup. right way to do it. that way their reputation stays intact.

wp_rathead

I would view myself as a left-wing leaning individual.. but then I see that these are the type of muppets who you would be associated with. Is all rather disheartening..

Karl Stein

Dean0088 wrote: »

Nobody wants to pay water charges ... But it's happening and needs to happen.

It needs to happen? Irish water is ideologically driven.

They could have taken the money it took to set up Irish Water and used it to modernise the water supply infrastructure. Modernising the water supply infrastructure would have generated thousands of jobs for unemployed construction workers who'd be spending their wages in local restaurants, shops and bars which would have raised aggregate demand across the country.

Little CuChulainn

It will be interesting to see the protests going to places like Finglas and Ronanstown where the Gardaí are use to dealing with actual violence and are a lot less tolerant of being abused and pushed around. The rate of arrests might go up a little.

Kermit.de.frog

It must be intimidating for elderly residents and others seeing this rent a mob of the usual protesters suspects show up on their estates. Most if not all i'm betting probably don't even live on that estate.

Who appointed them guardians of the people?

Gatling

Watch how so called peaceful protesters attack a car .
Then claim hit and run

http://youtu.be/j3mMzMI8t8A

Celly Smunt

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Who appointed them guardians of the people?

That'd be Joe Higgins,the founder of gob****ery.

Fukuyama

Karl Stein wrote: »

It needs to happen? Irish water is ideologically driven.

They could have taken the money it took to set up Irish Water and used it to modernise the water supply infrastructure. Modernising the water supply infrastructure would have generated thousands of jobs for unemployed construction workers who'd be spending their wages in local restaurants, shops and bars which would have raised aggregate demand across the country.

I'm open to all sides on this debate and remain as such. However, I've yet to hear an argument as to how Ireland could do what you're saying. Put numbers down on a page and spell it out. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking.

Nobody wins votes installing water meters. Nobody is looking forward to their first water bill arriving. But I think the majority of people see it as a "has to be done" type affair. It's all well and good to say "spend the money elsewhere" but it doesn't add up.

I'd lean slightly center-right on my politics so I don't support the protesters here. However, their antics alienate everyone, even those who would agree with them. When I see the behavior, language and opinions being spouted in videos like these I'd disassociate myself even if I supported them.

I think the gardaí are babysitting loud children who have little support from the majority of the community. These aren't protests - they're disturbances in housing estates. And at this rate it'll carry on for months, costing hundreds of thousands of euros, for no reason.

Short of a civil war, the water meters are going in.

Drakares

I love the way these protest videos start just as a Guard is starting to get rough with someone.. Of course they weren't doing a thing before this point and were just attacked.. Poor things!

Kippure

Reading through all this threads on Irish water and related issues.

One thing that stands out, all the do Gooders saying pay up, do as your told, back in your box etc.

And it comes from Labour FF FG SF, etc none of which represent the Irish people.

Its great to see the Irish people stand up from themselves.

Proving one thing.

The elite are obsolete.

Kermit.de.frog

Kippure wrote: »

Reading through all this threads on Irish water and related issues.

One thing that stands out, all the do Gooders saying pay up, do as your told, back in your box etc.

And it comes from Labour FF FG SF, etc none of which represent the Irish people.

Its great to see the Irish people stand up from themselves.

Proving one thing.

The elite are obsolete.

I thought you didn't live in Ireland anymore?

Easy to say that from abroad when you don't have to live with it nor take the consequences.

Little CuChulainn

Kippure wrote: »

And it comes from Labour FF FG SF, etc none of which represent the Irish people.

So what was all that voting for? I thought the general election was to pick the people who represented us.

Fukuyama

Gatling wrote: »

Watch how so called peaceful protesters attack a car .
Then claim hit and run

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3mMzMI8t8A

Here it is: Once the garda car leaves, a group of 6-8 people (from a group of 30+) close in on the car. A couple of really brave lads decide to kick the car too and one top heavy idiot falls over.

These protesters are the kind of people that ruin many areas of Dublin with anti social behavior and generally acting like idiots. And yet they're actually being cast as heros here. :eek: :mad:

Celly Smunt

Kippure wrote: »

And it comes from Labour FF FG SF, etc none of which represent the Irish people.

Its great to see the Irish people stand up from themselves.

Yep, sure they're just democratically elected representatives after all. I heard Enda Kenny isnt even Irish.

Karl Stein

Dean0088 wrote: »

I'm open to all sides on this debate and remain as such. However, I've yet to hear an argument as to how Ireland could do what you're saying. Put numbers down on a page and spell it out. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking.

I'm not an economist and I haven't carried out a survey on what the costs would be. Let's take what we already know and see if a different, potentially better, approach could have been taken seeing as you've ignored it once.

There's already going to be €1Bn spent on setting up Irish water as what essentially amounts to a private bureaucracy. That's €1Bn that could have been spent modernising the water infrastructure generating jobs for unemployed people and boosting the economy nationwide.

Short of a civil war, the water meters are going in.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Celly Smunt

Dean0088 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3mMzMI8t8A

Here it is: Once the garda car leaves, a group of 6-8 people (from a group of 30+) close in on the car. A couple of really brave lads decide to kick the car too and one top heavy idiot falls over.

These protesters are the kind of people that ruin many areas of Dublin with anti social behavior and generally acting like idiots. And yet they're actually being cast as heros here. :eek: :mad:

I love how they say "woman" for emotive reasons and then you see a female who would outweigh and punch the head off the manliest of men.

Kippure

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I thought you didn't live in Ireland anymore?

Easy to say that from abroad when you don't have to live with it nor take the consequences.

You bet.

You have a choice. I have a choice.

I choose to Split.

Looking in from aboard. Irelands a sad place. Its just run into the ground.

If I could change it, I would, for everyone. It would be the right thing to do.

Make every ones life better.

Fukuyama

Kippure wrote: »

Its great to see the Irish people stand up from themselves.

Proving one thing.

The elite are obsolete.

I've yet to see the Irish people stand up against Irish Water - mostly because there's a tacit acceptance that as a modern country it's pretty much a requirement.

What I see if a core group of hard left militants who, going by their YouTube history, are no stranger to whipping up crowds into mobs. Their numbers are bolstered by young males in tracksuits with nothing better to do and small numbers of local residents, all of whom seem to think they're above the law. On top of this we have fringe republican movements and "freeman" law 'experts' who outright reject the State.

The majority of people don't want to tell these idiots to fcuk off because these groups use intimidation, numbers and illegal protests to shout down any kind of opposition to their "protests". However, they enjoy little active support from the community and depend on the local idiot brigade who seem used to dealing with gardaí.

Stench Blossoms

I don't get the point of these protests at all. The people installing the meters are just doing their jobs to put a house over their heads and food on the table. If they are going to protest why not protest outside their local TDs office or the Dail?

And pushing back the barriers and shoving the Gardai? Sure that's grand as long as you're shouting 'PEACEFUL PROTEST!"

Kippure

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So what was all that voting for? I thought the general election was to pick the people who represented us.

Who knows? Votings a great idea. Has it worked in Ireland over the past 100 years? Same people in power etc.

The political system in Ireland is rotten to the core.

Every one knows it.

Fukuyama

Kippure wrote: »

You bet.

You have a choice. I have a choice.

I choose to Split.

Looking in from aboard. Irelands a sad place. Its just run into the ground.

If I could change it, I would, for everyone. It would be the right thing to do.

Make every ones life better.

I've never been to country with police as light handed as Gardaí (with the exception of MAYBE parts of the UK). German police deploy teargas and pepper spray as soon as a crowed tries to push beyond their lines. Head further east and rubber bullets are par for the course. And yet the guards are painted (and literally called) Nazis....

Since you're abroad I'm sure you could confirm this.

Kippure

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Yep, sure they're just democratically elected representatives after all. I heard Enda Kenny isnt even Irish.

Since when in Ireland did politicians represent its people, unless there was something in it for them.

Enda Kennys Irish? When did that happen......

Fukuyama

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I love how they say "woman" for emotive reasons and then you see a female who would outweigh and punch the head off the manliest of men.

This is a common theme on that YouTube channel. At several points

• the camera man insults gardaí for arresting females
• females are given some sort of "untouchable" status
• Females assault gardaí and try to prevent arrests

Boggles the mind.

Kippure

Dean0088 wrote: »

I've never been to country with police as light handed as Gardaí (with the exception of MAYBE parts of the UK). German police deploy teargas and pepper spray as soon as a crowed tries to push beyond their lines. Head further east and rubber bullets are par for the course. And yet the guards are painted (and literally called) Nazis....

Since you're abroad I'm sure you could confirm this.

You must live in a nice neighbour hood in Ireland.

Lets see how light handed the gardai are.

Mayday.
Corrib.
Student protests in Dublin.
Palestine Protests
Irish water.

BoJack Horseman

Karl Stein wrote: »

I'm not an economist and I haven't carried out a survey on what the costs would be. Let's take what we already know and see if a different, potentially better, approach could have been taken seeing as you've ignored it once.

There's already going to be €1Bn spent on setting up Irish water as what essentially amounts to a private bureaucracy. That's €1Bn that could have been spent modernising the water infrastructure generating jobs for unemployed people and boosting the economy nationwide.

In 2013 the government spent €240m on water infrastructure.
This did not create many jobs.

The costs of creating IW (meter costs aside) will cost north of €180m

So, in reality, the IW startup money would go practically nowhere in arresting any water infrastructure deficit.

Gatling

They should go after the so called professionals trouble makers dole payments

Fukuyama

Karl Stein wrote: »

I'm not an economist and I haven't carried out a survey on what the costs would be. Let's take what we already know and see if a different, potentially better, approach could have been taken seeing as you've ignored it once.

So, basically you don't like the solution every other modern country in the northern hemisphere and beyond has taken, think Ireland is a special country that can come up with it's own innovatie way of making the water infrastructure pay for itself?

Because that's all I've heard from the left so far.

If there was a way to avoid water charges, FG would take it and coast to victory in the next general election. But there's not. It was recommended by the Troika, EU and IMF. It was a laughable situation for Ireland to be in. The only mistake made was that it wasn't implemented when the boom was still going strong.

There's already going to be €1Bn spent on setting up Irish water as what essentially amounts to a private bureaucracy. That's €1Bn that could have been spent modernising the water infrastructure generating jobs for unemployed people and boosting the economy nationwide.

Surely this is exactly what's happening now with installing meters. Upgrades will come in the next few years. In fact, they simply HAVE to.

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

I mentioned "civil war" because many of these left groups repeatedly call for "revolution" - despite the fact that every general election shows majority support for center, responsible policies. I don't think this crowd could organise a piss up in a brewery.

My real fear is that when you gather a load of local idiots in one area, and the gardaí treat them with kid gloves, they can grow braver and braver. One incident could spark a situation like London 2011 riots.

Kippure

Dean0088 wrote: »

I've yet to see the Irish people stand up against Irish Water - mostly because there's a tacit acceptance that as a modern country it's pretty much a requirement.

What I see if a core group of hard left militants who, going by their YouTube history, are no stranger to whipping up crowds into mobs. Their numbers are bolstered by young males in tracksuits with nothing better to do and small numbers of local residents, all of whom seem to think they're above the law. On top of this we have fringe republican movements and "freeman" law 'experts' who outright reject the State.

The majority of people don't want to tell these idiots to fcuk off because these groups use intimidation, numbers and illegal protests to shout down any kind of opposition to their "protests". However, they enjoy little active support from the community and depend on the local idiot brigade who seem used to dealing with gardaí.

You know what dean, your right.
I think we the Irish will never stand up for ourselves.
We just keep been beaten down and accepting it.
And the governments of the day know that.
I would like to think some day we might stand up for ourselves against what only be called nowadays as Government Oppression.
As a poster said above, maybe a civil war is needed...

All these protests are pointless when you really think about it.
Nothing but shouting and pushing.

BoJack Horseman

Kippure wrote: »

maybe a civil war is needed...

So..... This civil war you call for....

What will the sides be?

Will you grace the nation with your return or pour scorn from foreign lands.

Fukuyama

Kippure wrote: »

You must live in a nice neighbour hood in Ireland.

Lets see how light handed the gardai are.

Mayday.
Corrib.
Student protests in Dublin.
Palestine Protests
Irish water.

I live in Dublin in your average housing estate. Not glamorous but not exactly Compton either.

I'm familiar with all those protests. And I attended the Student Protests in 2010 and walked past the department of finance. As usual, it was hijacked by Eirigi and United Left type protesters encouraging 18 year olds to throw crap at gardaí. Of the 30,000 marchers that day perhaps 200 actually caused trouble. Most had intended to do so by diverting to the DoF and smashing their way into the lobby.

Guards responded with batons. That's not heavy handed in the slightest. Getting a smack of a baton isn't a big event in someones life nor is it representative of a brutal police state. It's for being an idiot and not moving off the road when asked a thousand times to do so.

Kippure

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

So..... This civil war you call for....

What will the sides be?

Will you grace the nation with your return or pour scorn from foreign lands.

If I could make your life better buddy I would.

Infact if a new political party was born from foreigns lands, that represented the Irish people, that wouldn't be a bad idea.

And yes I do pour scorn on the government from foreign lands.

I see "A Gang" of "THUGS" who are accountable to no one.

I don't pour scorn on the Irish people living through terrible times.

I wish a better quality of life for all the Irish on the Island of Ireland.

But misery pain and bad health to those who oppress the good people of Ireland.

My name is URL

Dean0088 wrote: »

My real fear is that when you gather a load of local idiots in one area, and the gardaí treat them with kid gloves, they can grow braver and braver. One incident could spark a situation like London 2011 riots.

Well at least you're not hysterical or anything.

You seriously think the lack of tear gas, kettling and skull cracking might actually lead to rioting? Thank fcuk you're not in charge of how the gardai handle this stuff.

mfergus

The protesters love their cameras.

99.9% of the time it just shows that the protesters are a bunch of idiots and that the guards were actually soft when dealing with them.

Fukuyama

Kippure wrote: »

You know what dean, your right.
I think we the Irish will never stand up for ourselves.
We just keep been beaten down and accepting it.
And the governments of the day know that.
I would like to think some day we might stand up for ourselves against what only be called nowadays as Government Oppression.
As a poster said above, maybe a civil war is needed...

All these protests are pointless when you really think about it.
Nothing but shouting and pushing.

"Government Opression"? Really? Take a look at Hong Kong or Russia for oppression. Isn't Ireland ranked fairly high in terms of freedom? :pac:

Irish people don't protest or (:rolleyes:) try to start a war because there's no need at all. Plus, given the kind of idiots who seem to want to be at the forefront of this glorious red revolution, anyone with a brain would think twice about following them into battle :pac:

end of the road

Dean0088 wrote: »

there's a tacit acceptance that as a modern country it's pretty much a requirement.

how is it a requirement in a modern country? when the money could be taken from income tax. ireland being a modern country doesn't mean we have to water charges. if there is really an acceptance of charges its by simpletons who will just keep paying every single charge no matter what. even if they end up on the streets because they can't pay the mortgage because they have to pay gambling debt taxes.

wp_rathead

On their FB page they have the following:

We encourage anyone and everyone, no matter what your own political views are, to join us.
We each have our own political views and we each have our own visions of what the future Ireland should look like.
What we all do have in common is the fact that we want 'change', a change that will benefit all of us.
All we ask is that NO political banners/flags etc are carried - this is a 'Peoples' march.

That sounds good, but then they upload this kind of drivel:

cringe worthy stuff altogether

Fukuyama

My name is URL wrote: »

Well at least you're not hysterical or anything.

You seriously think the lack of tear gas, kettling and skull cracking might actually lead to rioting? Thank fcuk you're not in charge of how the gardai handle this stuff.

I didn't call for pointless garda violence. I called for gardaí to get tough and arrest 50+ people in one go to send a message. These guys are uploading videos every 15 minutes to show how soft the gardaí are being.

In several videos, little scrotes attack Irish water cars, assault gardaí and take advantage of the big crowd.

It's very easy for a crowd to grow brave in a short space of time. As London (and elsewhere) proved, political issues of the few are hijacked by scumbags to go ape****.

I'm not saying it's going to happen and I'm sure the guards would put a stop to anything major kicking off. But better police forces than our own have been left powerless once a little crowd gets brave in a housing estate. All it takes is a few people to realise that the guards aren't prepared to deal with a traveling circus of protesters for the next year.

end of the road

My name is URL wrote: »

You seriously think the lack of tear gas, kettling and skull cracking might actually lead to rioting?

ah shur begorra begosh it will, of course he fails to realize that kettling is only used where the police are fat, lazy, and good for nothing.

LETHAL LADY

I feel sorry for the woman in the first video getting abuse like that, but who in their right minds would pass a workers picket?

Hold the Cheez Whiz

end of the road wrote: »

how is it a requirement in a modern country? when the money could be taken from income tax. ireland being a modern country doesn't mean we have to water charges. if there is really an acceptance of charges its by simpletons who will just keep paying every single charge no matter what. even if they end up on the streets because they can't pay the mortgage because they have to pay gambling debt taxes.

Because people should pay for the amount of water they use. Why should the person who takes 5-minute showers and doesn't feel a need to wash their car twice a week be taxed at the same rate for water as someone who takes four long showers a day, runs a dishwasher, and washes multiple cars weekly?

Fukuyama

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I feel sorry for the woman in the first video getting abuse like that, but who in their right minds would pass a workers picket?

Why shouldn't she? Maybe she didn't agree with the protesters and didn't give into intimidation?

My name is URL

Dean0088 wrote: »

I didn't call for pointless garda violence. I called for gardaí to get tough and arrest 50+ people in one go to send a message. These guys are uploading videos every 15 minutes to show how soft the gardaí are being.

In several videos, little scrotes attack Irish water cars, assault gardaí and take advantage of the big crowd.

It's very easy for a crowd to grow brave in a short space of time. As London (and elsewhere) proved, political issues of the few are hijacked by scumbags to go ape****.

I'm not saying it's going to happen and I'm sure the guards would put a stop to anything major kicking off. But better police forces than our own have been left powerless once a little crowd gets brave in a housing estate. All it takes is a few people to realise that the guards aren't prepared to deal with a traveling circus of protesters for the next year.

So they're uploading concrete evidence of their involvement in law-breaking. The gardai can then act on that evidence accordingly no? Have any of those most vocally opposed to the actions of these people contacted gardai to bring their attention to this wealth of video evidence online?

Arresting 50+ people when maybe 8 or so are actively breaking the law would do nothing but inflame the situation even further. That doesn't signal that the gardai won't tolerate criminality within protests, it would signify that gardai won't tolerate protests full stop.

What message does arresting 50 people in one go send out exactly.. considering the vast majority would be released without charge within a couple of hours? Would that not cause them to grow even braver.. knowing that even if they do get arrested; nothing will come of it?

Fukuyama

end of the road wrote: »

how is it a requirement in a modern country? when the money could be taken from income tax. ireland being a modern country doesn't mean we have to water charges. if there is really an acceptance of charges its by simpletons who will just keep paying every single charge no matter what. even if they end up on the streets because they can't pay the mortgage because they have to pay gambling debt taxes.

So, the Left (SF, ULA, Eirigi, etc...) can't explain a stratagy for Ireland without water charges, but anyone who doesn't agree with your non-existent plan is a simpleton?

If the left came up with a workable solution to Ireland's issues (which FG have mostly resolved now anyways) which actually stood a chance of creating jobs, lowering taxes, increasing SW and all the other goodies they promise, they'd win the next GE no problem. But they havn't, so the "simpletons" are left with no choice but to vote for policies which are unsavory but sensible. It's almost like these simpletons want a stable country for the future instead of gambling on a nirvana paradise of more money, less bills and magic jobs.

end of the road

Dean0088 wrote: »

I called for gardaí to get tough and arrest 50+ people in one go to send a message.

get tough on what. you expect the guardai to arrest 50 people in one go not because they have commited a crime but to "send a message" that won't be sent or received. waste of money and time. you arrest people for commiting a crime, not to "send out a message" . thats bollox failed crap to make it look like something is being done to look tough when infact one is a laughing stock. if one doesn't know something is wrong in the first place arresting them to "send out a message" isn't going to change that

Kippure

A protest (also called a remonstrance or a remonstration) is an expression of objection by words or by actions to particular events, policies, or situations. Protests can take many different forms; from individual statements to mass demonstrations.

Every Irish citizen has a right to protest.

Its when you stand up for something usually wrong or Illegal.

I don't think dean you understand the gravity of the Situation in Ireland.

There is a under ground swell of Pure hatred for the Government past and present in Ireland of course but abroad too.

The feelings abroad are quite frightening. People want blood.

Families have been destroyed, through house repossessions, immigration, suicide etc.

LETHAL LADY

Dean0088 wrote: »

Why shouldn't she? Maybe she didn't agree with the protesters and didn't give into intimidation?

Well she did give in in fairness.

end of the road

Hold the Cheez Whiz wrote: »

Because people should pay for the amount of water they use. Why should the person who takes 5-minute showers and doesn't feel a need to wash their car twice a week be taxed at the same rate for water as someone who takes four long showers a day, runs a dishwasher, and washes multiple cars weekly?

because having it come from income tax is cheeper for all. people often pay the same for more of a service then someone who doesn't get as much of a service. the gambling debt water charge will bring undo hardship upon struggling families bringing them closer to eviction as they find it more difficult to pay their mortgages that they are struggling to pay in the first place. so frankly if someone is paying the same regardless of usage of water thats fine as long as it comes from the income tax which it should be

dxhound2005

Kippure wrote: »

A protest (also called a remonstrance or a remonstration) is an expression of objection by words or by actions to particular events, policies, or situations. Protests can take many different forms; from individual statements to mass demonstrations.

Every Irish citizen has a right to protest.

Its when you stand up for something usually wrong or Illegal.

I don't think dean you understand the gravity of the Situation in Ireland.

There is a under ground swell of Pure hatred for the Government past and present in Ireland of course but abroad too.

The feelings abroad are quite frightening. People want blood.

Families have been destroyed, through house repossessions, immigration, suicide etc.

Bit rich for you to blame immigration for our ills. Aren't you an immigrant?