New Silent Hill - Del Toro and Kojima

tok9

No surprise at all regarding that specific game being a no go but let's see if there is anything about it once Kojima leaves Konami.

Retr0gamer

PT being removed from the store forever is another good reason why an all digital future is not good.

pleasant Co.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

PT being removed from the store forever is another good reason why an all digital future is not good.

When you use "all digital" are you referring to a future where game content is potentially entirely server based? or specifically the personal storage medium used? (optical disc vs HDD/SSD download). Not entirely clear as we've been all digital for a very long time now.

johnny_ultimate

Counter point: PT is a game that almost couldn't have existed pre-digital. The manner in which it was announced, distributed, promoted and discussed is a perfect example of the type of experience that has emerged due to a dominant digital infrastructure. It would not have had the impact it did if distributed, say, via demo disc or old school equivalent, and the way people teamed up to unravel its mysteries was dependent on modern forum culture and viral 'sharing'. Too small to charge for and too mysterious to include with a high profile release (hence giving the answer away in advance), why PT worked was precisely because it just quietly appeared on a digital store, while its giddy creators waited for the **** to hit the fan. And hit it did, spectacularly.

PT is, arguably, the definitive 'digital' game, a new type of demo that came about as a result of cultural trends and behaviours in 2014. And while it's a damn curse that it is now destined to evaporate back into the digital ether, we have to remember that's exactly where it came from in the first place.

Robert ninja

^ None of this seems to be a problem for PC games as the internet inherently archives things at this point so it wouldn't matter if a digital-only released game got removed from a storefront. A few games I bought from GOG got officially removed from the store but they're still listed in my game library and I can download them at any time because I own a license for it and can back it up even if I exhausted downloads for it (if that's even a thing?).

So digital-only is only a real problem on console because there's no way to back up the games reliably to be re-installed at some point or work with any future updated version of the console's software without significant work. There's also no competitor who may provide the game because there's literally only one digital store available.

And this was a free demo right? Even less than a demo... a teaser. If they released it on PC they could probably have an official torrent of it that would likely never run out of seeders.

Retr0gamer

Sony and Microsofts store fronts work like that as well, if you downloaded PT you can still re download it. However there's nothing to stop those two from blocking access entirely to those stores, and we've seen cases already like with 3D Realms steam competitor closing where people lost their entire libraries with no comeback.

I accept that it couldn't have come about if it wasn't for digital marketplaces but the game now is going to be lost forever to anyone else looking to experience it and perhaps be forgotten all thanks to DRM. It's a shame to happen to such an interesting game.

K.O.Kiki

Well, we'll always have Let's Plays...
:rolleyes:

Star Lord

I was looking forward to playing PT once I got my hands on a PS4.

GerB40

Star Lord wrote: »

I was looking forward to playing PT once I got my hands on a PS4.

If you know anyone that downloaded it already then log in on their profile and download it from their library. I'd imagine it would work but I'm not 100% sure about that.

Generic Dreadhead

Well..... F**k

Retr0gamer

Star Lord wrote: »

I was looking forward to playing PT once I got my hands on a PS4.

Get on the online store and you might be able to purchase it that way. It will be on your account forever then, we'll that's the theory.

Star Lord

Thanks Retr0-san! That seems to have worked, so when I eventually get a PS4, should hopefully be there to retrieve!

ripperman

Retr0gamer wrote: »

No surprises there. I doubt it was even in development stages or even out of early planning so not a huge loss.still I don't think the market can support a game that can live up to Silent Hill 2 so maybe it's for the best that it's not another jump scare filled Downpour.

I think as a potential product, its a huge, huge loss. Horror games as of late havn't lived up to much barring perhaps one or two. I still maintain that the demo was one of the best things I've played on a console in a long time and if the final game was to be of a similar quality, well then horror gamers and horror fans alike have been deprived of something special it would seem.

kunst nugget

Star Lord wrote: »

I was looking forward to playing PT once I got my hands on a PS4.

Just buy it in the store on your phone or computer and it should still be in your download list when you actually get around to picking up a PS4. It's how I purchase all the PS4 games from plus and I just picked up P.T. just there now.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Dont have a PS4, but I'm just wondering, why are they removing it from the store? is it a free download? you'd imagine that regardless of whether or not the full game goes ahead, theres no harm in letting people play it, even as a curiosity.

Pedro Monscooch

I can't remember the last time I was so disappointed in a game being cancelled.

ripperman

Pedro Monscooch wrote: »

I can't remember the last time I was so disappointed in a game being cancelled.

Feel the same way

LuckyFinigan

Konami saying they are still committed to making new Silent Hill games basically means they are going to continue to hand it off to ****ty american developers no ones heard of like they have for the past ten years, and thats if they even stay in the gaming business, so disappointed:(

wayne040576

http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/27/8503893/konami-delists-itself-from-new-york-stock-exchange

Something's going on with them. Now they're de-listing themselves from the New York stock exchange. Maybe they plan to focus on the casino machine side of their business?

Generic Dreadhead

They are a fecking mess right now.

ripperman

Will they sell off the rights to this I wonder? Otherwise it's a franchise in limbo for them?

Generic Dreadhead

Surely studios would be THROWING money at the Kojima/Del Tor/Reedus triforce to make some differently named random horror game. But with so few decent studios left I guess maybe not :-/

ripperman

Only read this just now...

Official statement from Konami

"Konami is committed to new Silent Hill titles, however the embryonic ‘Silent Hills’ project developed with Guillermo del Toro and featuring the likeness of Norman Reedus will not be continued."

"In terms of Kojima and Del Toro being involved, discussions on future Silent Hill projects are currently underway, and please stay tuned for further announcements."

So the Silent Hills we know, with Del Toro, Kojima and Reedus is now canned, but, a future Silent Hill game may happen with Del Toro and Kojima involved!?

So basically looks like they'll hold onto it.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Cormac... wrote: »

Surely studios would be THROWING money at the Kojima/Del Tor/Reedus triforce to make some differently named random horror game. But with so few decent studios left I guess maybe not :-/

I dunno about that. I reckon kojima would be better served going into tv or films.

Retr0gamer

Nope, what it means is they'll look into giving the IP to a third party to develop for them. Kojima is gone once his contract is up when ground zeros is finished as is Kojima Productions.

Retr0gamer

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I dunno about that. I reckon kojima would be better served going into tv or films.

Dear god know. The man is a fecking God awful writer and director. He's much better off in games. I'd say he will make a film though, it will be terrible and will be panned and he'll end up back in games.

kunst nugget

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Dear god know. The man is a fecking God awful writer and director. He's much better off in games. I'd say he will make a film though, it will be terrible and will be panned and he'll end up back in games.

Ha, was thinking the same. Imagine a tv series by him? Christ almighty… it would make Lost look like intelligent and concise.

Cravez

Stone Deaf 4evr

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Dear god know. The man is a fecking God awful writer and director. He's much better off in games. I'd say he will make a film though, it will be terrible and will be panned and he'll end up back in games.

I dunno, from the length of some of his cutscenes, its like he's already making movies, and fitting a game in around it.

K.O.Kiki

Heard some other talk that part of the problem is to do with Kojima & Konami fighting over the rights to the FOX Engine.

Must find a source.