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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion: Summer/Autumn/Winter 2014-15

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  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Video


    Just as thunder started...

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    Yellow sky in between...

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    Sorry bout the dirty windows been meaning to clean them lol
    Didn't get to see the strikes it took a nose dive towards Shannon and left us with torrential rain


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    Heavy rain just arrived here, lights flickered too. I see a couple of strikes showing up around Gort and Loughrea on Netweather.

    Edit: Just refreshed Netweather and they are old strikes...


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,148 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Heavy rain just arrived here, lights flashed too. I see a couple of strikes showing up around Gort and Loughrea on Netweather.

    Edit: Just refreshed Netweather and they are old strikes...

    Flicked here too but no rain


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Lights flickered here to in galway awhile ago when it was raining didnt see any lightning or hear much thunder say it wasnt far away though....


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,348 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    And not even a drop of rain to be had in athlone! :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    Some more weather getting into South Kerry/West Cork now.

    http://www.met.ie/latest/rainfall_radar.asp

    http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=lightning;sess=

    If it tracks NE for an hour or so we might a few bangs/flashes in Limerick later.
    A night show would be awesome. Fingers crossed!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Some downpour in Dublin 5 at the moment


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Some downpour in Dublin 5 at the moment
    Same in Terenure, I was sitting in the old folks centre and I thought the roof would come in


  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Video


    showforecast.cgi?lightningmap=yes&fcstfile=2014101806_201410162131_1_stormforecast.xml

    A level 1 was issued for Ireland and Western Scotland mainly for severe wind gusts and tornados.

    SYNOPSIS

    A zonal flow is present over most parts of Europa at the beginning of the forecast period. Two main troughs can be found. One of them is influencing eastern parts of Europe and Western Russia. A second trough is present over the eastern North Atlantic influencing Portugal and Great Britain. In between an initially weak ridge can be found that is overrun by several short wave features.

    In the course of the forecast period the western trough is considerably increasing its amplitude. As a consequence the ridge over central Europe is strengthening and a strong southwesterly flow develops advecting unusually warm airmasses into most parts of Western Europe with 850 hPa temperatures clearly in excess of 10 degree C.

    Rather humid airmasses are still present over the Mediterranean. With a more or less westerly flow they are advected onshore on the western coastlines.

    DISCUSSION

    Ireland and Western Scotland...

    ...the frontal system coming from the main low which has its center west of Ireland with a central pressure below 970 hPa is influencing this region. In the second half of the forecast period the occlusion/cold front is arriving in Ireland and most parts of Great Britain. A few hundred J/kg are forecasted for the passage of the front as well as for the following cold sector. Thus, several thunderstorms should develop. The main threat with this convection are severe wind gusts since mid-level winds are rather high (850 hPa: up to 50 kn). In addition one or two tornados are possible since LLS is quite strong (0 1 km: about 15 m/s) and LCLs are only between 400 and 800 m.

    Apart from that other areas over Europe can be found where convection is possible. However no threat level was drawn since severe weather is rather unlikely.

    Over the Mediterranean humid airmasses are available but a capping inversion prevents the occurrence of convection over most parts of the sea. Low level streamlines are advecting those humid airmasses (between 11 and 13 g/kg) to the western and northwestern parts of Italy as well as the western coast of Corsica and Croatia. Diurnal heating leads to a steepening lapse rates over land and thus to enhanced instability. As a result a few hundred J/kg of CAPE are possible throughout the day for Italy and Corsica. Since no real trigger can be found coast line convergence, orography as well as other mesoscale lift mechanisms are needed for initiation. LAM show the strongest signals for the region of Piemont. If a storm may forms it can make use of wind shear values between 15 and 20 m/s (Croatia: 25 m/s). Thus, a few better organized storms are possible having the chance for excessive precipitation (ppws up to 30 mm) and a large hail event. However, there are many uncertainties and the overall coverage seems to be too weak for a LVL1 area.

    Concerning parts of the Balkan (bordering region: Serbia, Hungary and Croatia) and the Black Sea (later on), a short wave trough could provide the needed lift for convection. Widespread cloud coverage, however, inhibits insolation and thus a stronger steepening of the lapse rates. Thus, CAPE values are mostly rather weak with a maximum of about 500 J/kg predicted by the models. If thunderstorms manage to develop they can benefit from rather strong DLS. Storms can then be accompanied by excessive precipitation given ppw's between 30 and 35 mm. In addition severe wind gusts are possible with the cold front when a convective line manages to form. But again questionable coverage and initiation prevent from a LVL1.

    Thunderstorms are also possible with cold upper level airmasses over the North Sea as well as the southern Baltic Ocean later on. Rather warm SSTs in combination with those cold airmasses lead to a steepening of the lapse rates and thus the development of a few hundred J/kg of CAPE. Most of the expected convection is cold air convection without any severity. However, having rather slow mid-level wind velocities at the beginning of the forecast period and saturate low levels a waterspout event over the North Sea cannot be ruled out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,141 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Annoyingly estofex have left out the east


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭sunbabe08


    cork is right on the border. fingers crossed


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭hellboy99


    Tornado causes devastation in Co Monaghan as thunderstorms lash the county

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pictured-tornado-causes-devastation-co-4450274


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    I knew there was gonna be a report of one from there today!! Looked crazy on radar.

    More of the same tomorrow folks , but shifting more towards evening up through the midlands.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


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  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Video


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    any chance you could dumb that down for us? :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Tony Gilbert on UKWW

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    Relatively deep and broad low pressure moves steadily eastward through today. Upper short wave trough expected to exert its influence slowly from SE. Strong diffluent upper jet stream overruns surface cold front and is expected to strengthen lift within the mid levels in line with the front left exit region. Strong low level environmental shear will exist with moderate CAPE. This combined with some very low LCL's would suggest one or two brief but potentially strong tornadoes possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,141 ✭✭✭pad199207


    All this cloud ahead of it probably won't help


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    I expect to see a very messy radar this evening , with lots of high precip totals with flooding in places.

    Precip 7pm = flooding potential
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    PWAT - Fairly high for October! = More reason to possible flooding
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    High Deep Layer Shear Values
    = Strong separation of up and downdraughts , so gusty winds up to 100km/hr possible.
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    High Direction shear
    = Potential for funnels / odd tornado .
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    Its gonna be agony being in work 5-9 :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭sunbabe08


    question: is that good for us? don't want to get my hopes up


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    sunbabe08 wrote: »
    question: is that good for us? don't want to get my hopes up

    Hard to tell , its pretty much a now-cast situation from here on..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Shannon FIR sigmet issued.forecast for severe turbulence currently west of a line from Limerick moving west/east.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭highdef


    A rapidly intensifying and enlarging band of rain is now developing significantly in a line from Galway/Mayo E/SE to the east midlands. I would expect this to expand to other eastern parts shortly. There is also another area of precip developing to the W and NW of the Waterford area. I imagine this will develop nicely too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    highdef wrote: »
    A rapidly intensifying and enlarging band of rain is now developing significantly in a line from Galway/Mayo E/SE to the east midlands. I would expect this to expand to other eastern parts shortly. There is also another area of precip developing to the W and NW of the Waterford area. I imagine this will develop nicely too.

    Breaking up now, not much rain fell in Galway


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭highdef


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Breaking up now, not much rain fell in Galway

    I should have said Galway county rather then city. That band only seems to have got its act together north of Galway city....still nothing to write home about but we just have to wait and see.

    Some fairly intense returns are also popping up in the Kerry and west Cork areas now. Would be surprised if there were not some decent sparks from this area in the near future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,348 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    its strange, the radar seems to indicate that we should have seen torrents of rain over Athlone, but we haven't had a drop! the ground is bone dry out there, I could be walking around in socks!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Estofex issued another level 1 for Ireland for 6am Saturday to 6am Sunday.

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    Postfrontal convection may organize into shallow multi- or even supercells over Ireland, Ulster and western Scotland. The strong background wind field and enhanced 0-1 km shear and helicity may support isolated severe wind gusts or tornadoes, especially along windward coasts.
    Highest coverage of showers and thunderstorms is expected in the evening, when the approach of the main trough supplies some large-scale lift.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    A large cyclone exists in the eastern N Atlantic Ocean. A powerful mid-level jet streak /~100 knots @500 hPa/ will move across the watch area this evening and overnight, providing strong forcing for ascent. Lower down, a warm/moist airmass is spreading NNE across the watch area, with an active cold front expected to move into Eire this evening and across remaining areas overnight. A marked dry slot is starting to overrun the surface front, and a split-front configuration is expected overnight. Strong lifting of the mid-level dry slot atop moist low-level air should allow for instability to develop ahead of the surface front, with several hundred J/Kg simulated.

    Vertical wind shear will become very high /0-6km shear of 60-70 knots and 0-1km shear of 25-40 knots/. In addition, veering/increasing profiles in the lowest part of the atmosphere should contribute to high storm relative environmental helicity (SREH).

    A risk of tornadoes and strong wind gusts, and a few thunderstorms exists along the cold front across the whole watch area overnight, especially western and northern Eire, N Ireland, and western Scotland. Behind the cold front, heavy showers will push in, with further thunderstorms possible. A tornado or two, and strong wind gusts, are also possible with these, although low-level veering will be less pronounced, and so the risk appears lower than along the front. Western areas are most likely to see this latter activity, as instability will decrease away from the western coastal areas.

    During Saturday, strong wind shear and instability look like continuing across Eire, N Ireland, and Scotland - another watch may be required to cover this activity.

    http://www.torro.org.uk/site/forecast.php


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    Some action this morning in cork already , could of been a small low topped supercell for a time looking at radar . :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭squarecircles




    time lapse of showers developing this morning


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,348 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Very cool cloud structure south and east of athlone. Layers upon layers building up and up


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