Way to go Sinn Fein

I Heart Internet

dark crystal wrote: »

How else do we move forward otherwise?

By telling the truth and embracing the peace at the same time.

I Heart Internet

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I agree. So why doesn't Gerry Adams tell the truth about being a member of the IRA and we'll all get on with our lives?

If i'm being honest, Id imagine it would be political suicide.

Iwasfrozen

Nodin wrote: »

You're right!!!!!!!!! Screw progress and bring back forelock tugging.

Yes comrade Nodin, your speech at the people's assembly was tear inducing. We will re-distribute the food even if the people are mal-nourished.

Bannasidhe

Barely There wrote: »

Isn't it awful the way people keep bringing it up? - bet you wish they'd stop - it kind of ruins the whole Shinners are really cuddly and caring people who care so much about society shtick.

Yes.

It is deeply sick that people want to make political hay out of Jean McConville's death. Hasn't her family suffered enough with having their mother's name constantly invoked to try and score cheap points?

The families of the other 3,466 people who died must be relieved that their family tragedy hasn't become a pawn in a political game being played by those who claim the high moral ground 20 years after the conflict ended.

Busted Flat.

The begrudger's will just have to take their beating and move on. Or else stay in the station and talk about the past. These elections have shown up one thing the electorate have stopped listening to bull$hit. SF are on the rise for years, only fools listen to black propaganda.

Banjo String

LordSutch wrote: »

Ah yes, the old semantics smoke and mirrors excuse.

Do you hold the royal family responsible for bloody Sunday?

Barely There

dark crystal wrote: »

I wish they'd stop because there's finally peace on this island after many years of conflict and it would be a shame if this generation and the generations that came after us kept harking back to the wrongs perpetuated by both sides instead of embracing the peace that now exists.

How else do we move forward otherwise?

You do realise that 'embracing peace' and refusing to accept the Shinners as a part of our ruling government are not mutually exclusive don't you?

I'm fine with peace as long as the perprtrators and supporters of so much death, destruction and mayhem crawl under a rock and have a good think about what their campaign of terror actually 'achieved'.

I will never accept them tring to whitewash their disgusting actions and seize power in our republic - and luckily there a many, many like me.

Bannasidhe

I Heart Internet wrote: »

A traffic violation is not the same as ordering the murder of a person.

If you have proof - then present it to the authorities.

But while we are on the subject, if Gerry Adams has to come clean then perhaps the other parties should detail all their own shenanigans. I would hazard a bet there is plenty of skeletons in all their cupboards

Jester252

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The begrudger's will just have to take their beating and move on. Or else stay in the station and talk about the past. These elections have shown up one thing the electorate have stopped listening to bull$hit. SF are on the rise for years, only fools listen to black propaganda.

SF have been forth biggest party for a few years right now. Maintain is a more correct description

Busted Flat.

No confidence in Gilmore put down for next week.

Barely There

Jester252 wrote: »

SF have been forth biggest party for a few years right now. Maintain is a more correct description

Shhhh!


You're ruining their 'victory'.

K-9

Still appear transfer toxic, hell FF candidates seem to be more attractive for preferences!

In my constituency their 2 candidates did well in first preferences but ended up filling 2 of the last 3 seats out of 10 after all the distributions. Everybody else picking up votes except them.

That's grand if they want 1 seat in a constituency, long term it makes it difficult to pick up second seats to make the real break through.

Jester252

Busted Flat. wrote: »

No confidence in Gilmore put down for next week.

I guess Phil is leading the charge

Iwasfrozen

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

These are just lazy generalisations. I do own a Celtic jersey, I do not wear a track suit and I do not vote for SF

eww

Busted Flat.

Jester252 wrote: »

I guess Phil is leading the charge

No mention of her in the list of names that signed it.

Banjo String

Barely There wrote: »

You do realise that 'embracing peace' and refusing to accept the Shinners as a part of our ruling government are not mutually exclusive don't you?

I'm fine with peace as long as the perprtrators and supporters of so much death, destruction and mayhem crawl under a rock and have a good think about what their campaign of terror actually 'achieved'.

I will never accept them tring to whitewash their disgusting actions and seize power in our republic - and luckily there a many, many like me.

Sinn Fein are actively calling for a truth and reconciliation commission.

Any ideas as to who refuses point blank to partake in one? Any ideas why that would be?

You don't know what you're even talking about lol.

Barely There

K-9 wrote: »

Still appear transfer toxic, hell FF candidates seem to be more attractive for preferences!

In my constituency their 2 candidates did well in first preferences but ended up filling 2 of the last 3 seats out of 10 after all the distributions. Everybody else picking up votes except them.

That's grand if they want 1 seat in a constituency, long term it makes it difficult to pick up second seats to make the real break through.

Indeed.

I always vote the full way down my card save for the Shinner candidates who I leave blank to ensure maximum damage on the transfers - I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Barely There

Banjo String wrote: »

You don't know what you're even talking about lol.

Careful now - you're going to make me cry.

Busted Flat.

Jester252 wrote: »

I guess Phil is leading the charge

Ciara Conway, Ged Nash, Arthur Spring, John Gilroy Dominic Hannigan, Michael Mcnamara, Aodhan O'Riordan submit motion

Banjo String

Barely There wrote: »

Careful now - you're going to make me cry.

Rather than acknowledge what was written in my post you come up with this witty retort.

*shakes head*

DubVelo

Barely There wrote: »

Indeed.

I always vote the full way down my card save for the Shinner candidates who I leave blank to ensure maximum damage on the transfers - I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Which means you vote for 2 or 3 other parties with a history of death, destruction and mayhem, exposing you as a hypocrite.

bumper234

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Ciara Conway, Ged Nash, Arthur Spring, John Gilroy Dominic Hannigan, Michael Mcnamara, Aodhan O'Riordan submit motion

All back bench no bodies i suppose? Is it wrong i read his name as Ned Gash? :eek:

Bannasidhe

I still believe that unlike any other Irish political party SF play a long game.

They work at grass roots levels in the community particularly among those who feel unrepresented and disenfranchised - and they are very good at it. We are now seeing an increasing number of the middle classes who feel unrepresented and SF are making ground there. Hell, my entire - frankly petit bourgeois - family voted for them, except my mother who went FF but including my life long FG supporter 81 year old father.

If they continue this practice - and I would be surprised if they didn't as it is successful - they will build up greater support as, as Miriam Lord put in in the IT, people voted for them and the sky hasn't fallen in.

There is also a large left vote out there but it is split between the various PBP/AAA/ULA/SP/WP/SF groupings whereas the right vote is a clear FF/FG decision now that the PDs are dead and buried.

I noted with interest last night the unity of policy and purpose displayed between Coppinger and O'Brion and I liked it. So did everyone I know with left leanings. SF are reaching out to the other left groupings and sending a clear 'we can work together' message.

If the Left can unite - and it cannot be disputed that SF are making overtures and have been for some time as anyone who has watched Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin in the Dail and his constant supporting references to Clare Daly, Joan Collins, Boyd Barrett etc will have noted - then we will see a radically different political landscape in Ireland and the existance of a genuinely left political movement.

And for those who wish to dismiss the left as loony - grow up ffs, leave the playground name calling behind and let's behave as mature adults.

Dan_Solo

Barely There wrote: »

Indeed.

I always vote the full way down my card save for the Shinner candidates who I leave blank to ensure maximum damage on the transfers - I'm sure I'm not the only one.

TBH this makes you sound like you just figured out how proportional representation works. Want a gold star on your ballot paper?

Jester252

Right now as it stands.

FF has the most members in 11.83 local councils

FG has the most members in 2.83 local councils

Ind has the most members in 2.3 local councils

SF has the most members in 2 local councils.

Bannasidhe

Jester252 wrote: »

Right now as it stands.

FF has the most members in 11.83 local councils

FG has the most members in 2.83 local councils

Ind has the most members in 2.3 local councils

SF has the most members in 2 local councils.

The important questions are:

How many councils now have an SF platform which can be built upon?

How many councils have SF as the main opposition party?

How many councils have other left wing councillors who may be able to make common cause with SF?

swimming in a sea

Sinn Fein, will never be the main party in Government and it's not because of Guns, unmarked graves, etc.

But something much worse they're lefty's, while the majority of people in Ireland are of the right.

I see Paddypower have a FG/FF coalition as odds on for the next government...they might as well join up.

Bannasidhe

swimming in a sea wrote: »

Sinn Fein, will never be the main party in Government and it's not because of Guns, unmarked graves, etc.

But something much worse they're lefty's, while the majority of people in Ireland are of the right.

I see Paddypower have a FG/FF coalition as odds on for the next government...they might as well join up.

Ohhhh - 'leftys'

Seriously, grow up and try and debate like an adult.

Barely There

Dan_Solo wrote: »

TBH this makes you sound like you just figured out how proportional representation works. Want a gold star on your ballot paper?

I'm quite well-versed in the workings of the PR system and no gold star is necessory.

Many however don't fully understand it and only vote a few preferences down as they don't like any of the other parties and candidiates.

The beauty of our PR/multi-seat system is that it can be used as much as a tool to hurt certain parties as to reward others.

It's why the Shinners got 10% of the first pref vote in the last GE, but only 8% of the seats - and it's not going to change in the future;)

How's the 23% holding up btw?:pac::pac: