Way to go Sinn Fein

Gazzmonkey

mickydoomsux wrote: »

This thread has gone full retard.

NO, you never go full retard!!!

Sorry, had to quote tropic thunder.

Anyway, SF always gets my vote.

I Heart Internet

mickydoomsux wrote: »

We've reached a consensus that we are "moving on".

Stuff the nasty Brits did is still fair game to bring up and demand documentation on though.

Well, obviously. A kind of a diagonal/sideways moving on. All is forgiven (of us) but everything needs to be resolved (of them).

In the meantime, our lovely leader tells a hilariously unbelievable lie about being a member of the IRA. Just admit it for God's sake, it'd be refreshing.

It's a worse lie than Bertie's one about winning on the horses....and still his party back him with a straight face.

Banjo String

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I'm glad they've managed to shake off that whole unseemly incident where their party leader was arrested for ordering the murder of a woman and the disappearance of her body.

I'm glad that's all been cleared up. That's it now. Plain sailing for Sinn Fein from here on in. No more akwardness about dead people.

That unseemly incident? Would that be the political policing that spectacularly Backfired? Was Adams charged with anything?

With SF more than trebling their council seats, they now have an excellent platform from which to make further gains.

Northern Bank, Jean McConville, same old same old. Nothing changes.

upstairs for coffee

Seems to me Ireland's protest vote is Sinn Fein - a party that aren't racist.

UK has UKIP
France has National Front
Greece has Golden Dawn

sbsquarepants

Balmed Out wrote: »

It is used as an insult !

Not by me it wasn't.
If heard George Hook call himself a blue shirt, I'm sure he didn't mean it as an insult.

I Heart Internet

Banjo String wrote: »

Northern Bank, Jean McConville, same old same old. Nothing changes.

Because a party can't erase it's history. It has to come to terms with it.

tayto lover

RandomName2 wrote: »

I'd be quite interested in why anybody here, who isn't a dyed in the wool SF supporter, voted for them.

I mean, anti-austerity: I get that, but why when there are other options on the table (PBPA, Socialist, AAA, ULA, and some Independents)?

Is it because SF has a larger structure and is more powerful than the other small parties?

My reason was -

1. There is a very hard-working SF lad in my ward who gets things done. Calls to door regularly and not just at election time.
2. FG/Labour and FF fear SF getting power and this was a wake-up call to them regarding too much austerity and hitting the same people again and again. They don't fear Independents.
3. I used to vote for the turncoat party (Labour) but they dropped all the aims and aspirations of the once proud party of the workers and turned Turk on them. This was done to gain temporary power for Gilmour, Quinn, Rabbitte etc who will abandon the party soon and ride off with their big pensions. The younger Labour people know this but were powerless to prevent it.
4. Sinn Fein have abandoned their old ways and we have peace which people desire and need. Better jaw-jaw than war war.
5. I was fed up of our European reps pandering to every whim of the Europeans and using the bail-out as an excuse to dump even more hardship on the working man and middle-income families. We are paying for the bail-out with interest, we did not get it for free.
Too much austerity and it should have been argued by our MEP's to have the debt reduced like Greece did and have the repayments reduced and spread out over a longer period to give working people room to breath.
6. The cuts to Special Needs and sick people was uncaring and cruel.

Those are mainly my reasons. AND I was fed up being lied to by FG. I voted for them the last time.

Bannasidhe

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Because a party can't erase it's history. It has to come to terms with it.

Reeallly?

People seem blissfully unaware of the respective histories of FF and FG.

It's like they were somehow erased....

Banjo String

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Because a party can't erase it's history. It has to come to terms with it.

Face palm.

I Heart Internet

Banjo String wrote: »

Face palm.

Why so?

Sinn Fein's leader is a man who lies about his past membership of the IRA. Saying he was never a member of the IRA would be ok, if it wasn't for the fact that just about nobody, not attached to Sinn Fein, who lived through or reported on the Troubles believes him.

I could absolutely accept a man who was a member of the IRA and his bonafides. Martin McGuinness, for example, has been relatively open on this. But Gerry Adams just persists with the lie.

If he'll lie about this, I suspect he'll easily lie about other things.

So, in short, Gerry Adams and the party he leads has to come to terms with the past.

Banjo String

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why so?

Sinn Fein's leader is a man who lies about his past membership of the IRA. Saying he was never a member of the IRA would be ok, if it wasn't for the fact that just about nobody, not attached to Sinn Fein, who lived through or reported on the Troubles believes him.

I could absolutely accept a man who was a member of the IRA and his bonafides. Martin McGuinness, for example, has been relatively open on this. But Gerry Adams just persists with the lie.

If he'll lie about this, I suspect he'll easily lie about other things.

So, in short, Gerry Adams and the party he leads has to come to terms with the past.

Its all very well speculating on whether he was a member of the IRA or wasn't, but let's look at the facts.

Was Gerry Adams under almost constant surveillance from the RUC/MI5/British Govts (Prob Irish Govt also) for almost his entire life? Yes he was.

Has anyone ever found any undisputed evidence of him being a member of the IRA, and charging him accordingly? No they haven't.

I could claim Mary Hannifan was a member of the communist party, but I don't have any source to back up my claim.

Fact.

Dan_Solo

Gerry Adams has been as much "arrested for murder" as Enda Kenny and Brian Cowen have been.
And the latter two have far more blood on their hands.

Barely There

tayto lover wrote: »

6. The cuts to Special Needs and sick people was uncaring and cruel.

So was blowing up a couple of kids on a boat, or torturing and murdering a young mother.

I have to laugh at the Shinner supporters trying to portray themselves as the people who care so much about others.

sbsquarepants

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Gerry Adams has been as much "arrested for murder" as Enda Kenny and Brian Cowen have been.
And the latter two have far more blood on their hands.

The concept of innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply across the board. If you don't like someone or they look shifty, then they don't meet the presumption of innocence minimum requirements and go straight on to the death by firing squad list!

neamhspleachi

Padraig Pearse once said 'Ireland divided, shall never be at peace'

Reading through this thread, I now understand what he meant

Regardless off whether or not the 32 counties are ever reunited, the unfortunate history of our island will never allow it's population to ever be undivided

I Heart Internet

neamhspleachi wrote: »

Padraig Pearse once said 'Ireland divided, shall never be at peace'

Reading through this thread, I now understand what he meant

Regardless off whether or not the 32 counties are ever reunited, the unfortunate history of our island will never allow it's population to ever be undivided

Actually, I don't think that's true.

Ireland can be united or divided, 32 counties or 26+6, whatever you're having yourself.

Ireland will be at peace once people agree that, regardless of the 32/26+6 debate, we won't bother killing anyone over it or getting upset to the point of hatred and violence over it.

To their credit, Sinn Fein seem to have been motoring down that path....mostly.

Bannasidhe

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why so?

Sinn Fein's leader is a man who lies about his past membership of the IRA. Saying he was never a member of the IRA would be ok, if it wasn't for the fact that just about nobody, not attached to Sinn Fein, who lived through or reported on the Troubles believes him.

I could absolutely accept a man who was a member of the IRA and his bonafides. Martin McGuinness, for example, has been relatively open on this. But Gerry Adams just persists with the lie.

If he'll lie about this, I suspect he'll easily lie about other things.

So, in short, Gerry Adams and the party he leads has to come to terms with the past.

Barely There wrote: »

So was blowing up a couple of kids on a boat, or torturing and murdering a young mother.

I have to laugh at the Shinner supporters trying to portray themselves as the people who care so much about others.

It's getting pathetic at this stage tbh that the best people can come up with are unproven allegations and using the tragic death of one woman in the midst of vile sectarian conflict which cost the lives of thousands and ended over 20 years ago to score political points.

What's next - will we hear Adams was once cautioned for talking on the mobile while stopped at a traffic light and escaped penalty points?

Banjo String

Barely There wrote: »

So was blowing up a couple of kids on a boat, or torturing and murdering a young mother.

I have to laugh at the Shinner supporters trying to portray themselves as the people who care so much about others.

Sinn Fein didn't do either of those two things.

Bannasidhe

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Actually, I don't think that's true.

Ireland can be united or divided, 32 counties or 26+6, whatever you're having yourself.

Ireland will be at peace once people agree that, regardless of the 32/26+6 debate, we won't bother killing anyone over it or getting upset to the point of hatred and violence over it.

To their credit, Sinn Fein seem to have been motoring down that path....mostly.

Talk about damning with false praise.

You just can't bring yourself to admit that without SF (and the DUP) putting the past behind them (a thing you seem spectacularly unable to do) we would not have peace at all.

Or maybe you believe Bertie did it...

Barely There

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It's getting pathetic at this stage tbh that the best people can come up with are unproven allegations and using the tragic death of one woman in the midst of vile sectarian conflict which cost the lives of thousands and ended over 20 years ago to score political points.

Isn't it awful the way people keep bringing it up? - bet you wish they'd stop - it kind of ruins the whole Shinners are really cuddly and caring people who care so much about society shtick.

LordSutch

Banjo String wrote: »

Sinn Fein didn't do either of those two things.

Ah yes, the old semantics smoke and mirrors excuse.

the_syco

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You just can't bring yourself to admit that without SF (and the DUP) putting the past behind them (a thing you seem spectacularly unable to do) we would not have peace at all.

Off-topic, but I wonder how the terrorists (at least one side was terrorists) up north would have been treated post-911?

I Heart Internet

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You just can't bring yourself to admit that without SF (and the DUP) putting the past behind them (a thing you seem spectacularly unable to do) we would not have peace at all.

Or maybe you believe Bertie did it...

I'm entirely convinced that without SF (and the DUP) that we wouldn;t have peace at all.

Sinn Fein are almost entirely responsible for getting the republican side to lay down arms and take the peace process thus far.

They are entirely responsible because, for the most part, Sinn Fein and the IRA were one and the same entity. Separated in name only.

I Heart Internet

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It's getting pathetic at this stage tbh that the best people can come up with are unproven allegations and using the tragic death of one woman in the midst of vile sectarian conflict which cost the lives of thousands and ended over 20 years ago to score political points.

What's next - will we hear Adams was once cautioned for talking on the mobile while stopped at a traffic light and escaped penalty points?

A traffic violation is not the same as ordering the murder of a person.

jank

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Talk about damning with false praise.

You just can't bring yourself to admit that without SF (and the DUP) putting the past behind them (a thing you seem spectacularly unable to do) we would not have peace at all.

Or maybe you believe Bertie did it...

Well this overlooks the fact that we may not have had the war we did if it were not for Sinn Fein's murderous campaign. John Hume is the real hero of the north in my opinion.

I Heart Internet

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Actually, I don't think that's true.

Ireland can be united or divided, 32 counties or 26+6, whatever you're having yourself.

Ireland will be at peace once people agree that, regardless of the 32/26+6 debate, we won't bother killing anyone over it or getting upset to the point of hatred and violence over it.

To their credit, Sinn Fein seem to have been motoring down that path....mostly.

The IRA murdered the queens cousin, Mountbatten and his son. Now if the queen can shake hands with a suspected member Martin McGuinness decades later and put the past behind then i would think that surely the Irish people could somehow come to terms with it unless of course there is an opportunity of political point scoring.

I Heart Internet

Deleted User wrote: »

The IRA murdered the queens cousin, Mountbatten and his son. Now if the queen can shake hands with a suspected member Martin McGuinness decades later and put the past behind then i would think that surely the Irish people could somehow come to terms with it unless of course there is an opportunity of political point scoring.

I agree. So why doesn't Gerry Adams tell the truth about being a member of the IRA and we'll all get on with our lives?

Maysa07

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Fourth behind Independents, FG and FF. Hardly call it a victory in the current climate. That's as good as their support will ever get. Everyone else knows what they are and will never vote for them, enjoy your 'victory' while it lasts.

LOL

dark crystal

Barely There wrote: »

Isn't it awful the way people keep bringing it up? - bet you wish they'd stop - it kind of ruins the whole Shinners are really cuddly and caring people who care so much about society shtick.

I wish they'd stop because there's finally peace on this island after many years of conflict and it would be a shame if this generation and the generations that came after us kept harking back to the wrongs perpetuated by both sides instead of embracing the peace that now exists.

How else do we move forward otherwise?

bumper234

Deleted User wrote: »

The IRA murdered the queens cousin, Mountbatten and his son. Now if the queen can shake hands with a suspected member Martin McGuinness decades later and put the past behind then i would think that surely the Irish people could somehow come to terms with it unless of course there is an opportunity of political point scoring.

Then surely Thomas McMahon could meet with Paul Maxwell's father as has been requested?