Way to go Sinn Fein

Amirani

dashcamdanny wrote: »

This makes me wonder!!!!!!
Im not a FG or FF voter, but...
at the very least FG are mopping up the horrible historical mess Fianna Fail made of our country, telling people to buy more houses . Im sure that bastazd Bertie is laughing his head off.

WHAT DOPE VOTED FOR FIANNA FAIL are you mad. They nearly killed us off a few years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh but Lawless fixed a pothole outside my gaff ..

MOrons

Local and European elections are a very different scenario to General elections. If John or Jane Doe from FF are gonna get your pothole fixed, it doesn't really matter how inept they are at economics.

You should vote the candidate at local, the party (or lack thereof) at General and the EU grouping at European.

Banjo String

comongethappy wrote: »

The sum total of NI taxes don't come close to paying for NI.

The ROI government lacks an equally generous sugar-daddy.

But that's spurious apparently?

Are ours?

Simple yes or no will do.

dxhound2005

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Local and European elections are a very different scenario to General elections. If John or Jane Doe from FF are gonna get your pothole fixed, it doesn't really matter how inept they are at economics.

You should vote the candidate at local, the party (or lack thereof) at General and the EU grouping at European.

The grouping to which FG belong are expected to be the largest in the new European Parliament.

Banjo String

Banjo String wrote: »

I don't believe it does, but what does that mean for all the northern based companies paying tax into the UK central fund pot?

Maybe taxes raised in the north should be retained in the north?

Spurious argument.

You don't believe it does then answer with a non-sequiter. LOL.

Banjo String wrote: »

Are ours?

Simple yes or no will do.

Hasn't there been an issue over the last 7 years or so with the fall-out of us not being able to fund ourselves? NI hasn't got that worry.


You've decided to drop the population density thing without answering then?

Banjo String

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

Different context entirely everyone knows Gerry Adams has an admiration of Fidel Castro and has visited Cuba and was given a state welcome.

Eamon Gilmore did too in his day.

steveone

dashcamdanny wrote: »

This makes me wonder!!!!!!
Im not a FG or FF voter, but...
at the very least FG are mopping up the horrible historical mess Fianna Fail made of our country, telling people to buy more houses . Im sure that bastazd Bertie is laughing his head off.

WHAT DOPE VOTED FOR FIANNA FAIL are you mad. They nearly killed us off a few years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh but Lawless fixed a pothole outside my gaff ..

MOrons



i'd have had FF disbanded by order yet they are growing massively.. Its madness. When you look at the public support the current gov had at the end of the cowan crisis and how they are suffering now you'd wonder how could they **** it up like that.

andrewdeerpark

Bannasidhe wrote: »

So?

Ok Sinn Fein's policies have until very recently been, shall we say, hard left, borderline communism.

They still persist with all members paying their TD / MLA / MEP salary into the party then getting a portion back, again supporting the socialist model.

They are blatant about being the party of choice for the freeloaders and handout merchants and court their support. Promising everything for nothing to people who do nothing!

How far have Sinn Fein really come economically?

Flex

Banjo String wrote: »

I don't believe it does, but what does that mean for all the northern based companies paying tax into the UK central fund pot?

Maybe taxes raised in the north should be retained in the north?

Spurious argument.

• Northern Irelands GDP is €37B
• 31% of their work force is employed by the state, compared to 19% for the UK and 17% for ROI
• With a GDP of only €37 they need a subvention each year of nearly €10B from taxpayers in GB

Once again, I find this very frustrating; youre angry at the government for lying to you, but yet youre willing to allow Sinn Fein to deceive you and play games with words in relation to the property tax, for example. I really believe you can see exactly whats going on, I just dont understand how you guys so fervently excuse it...

Anyway, I give up, enjoy the day. I look forward to watching Sinn Fein reducing the property tax in the councils theyre on now

Busted Flat.

Dooley thinks the election is still on.

steddyeddy

Flex wrote: »

• Northern Irelands GDP is €37B
• 31% of their work force is employed by the state, compared to 19% for the UK and 17% for ROI
• With a GDP of only €37 they need a subvention each year of nearly €10B from taxpayers in GB

Once again, I find this very frustrating; youre angry at the government for lying to you, but yet youre willing to allow Sinn Fein to deceive you and play games with words in relation to the property tax, for example. I really believe you can see exactly whats going on, I just dont understand how you guys so fervently excuse it...

Anyway, I give up, enjoy the day. I look forward to watching Sinn Fein reducing the property tax in the councils theyre on now

Are you seriouisly blaming northern Ireland's economic problems on Sinn Fein? NI has always been an economic blackhole.

Bannasidhe

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

Ok Sinn Fein's policies have until very recently been, shall we say, hard left, borderline communism.

They still persist with all members paying their TD / MLA / MEP salary into the party then getting a portion back, again supporting the socialist model.

They are blatant about being the party of choice for the freeloaders and handout merchants and court their support. Promising everything for nothing to people who do nothing!

How far have Sinn Fein really come economically?

Awww, you were doing so well and then you had to go all chattering classes and spoil it.

comongethappy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Are you seriouisly blaming northern Ireland's economic problems on Sinn Fein? NI has always been an economic blackhole.

No.

Of course not.

We are just disputing the assertation that NI has it better than ROI.

when the point is moot as NI plays by different financial rules to a normal country.

dxhound2005

Flex wrote: »

• Northern Irelands GDP is €37B
• 31% of their work force is employed by the state, compared to 19% for the UK and 17% for ROI
• With a GDP of only €37 they need a subvention each year of nearly €10B from taxpayers in GB

Once again, I find this very frustrating; youre angry at the government for lying to you, but yet youre willing to allow Sinn Fein to deceive you and play games with words in relation to the property tax, for example. I really believe you can see exactly whats going on, I just dont understand how you guys so fervently excuse it...

Anyway, I give up, enjoy the day. I look forward to watching Sinn Fein reducing the property tax in the councils theyre on now

A Donegal man on the TV was just remarking how many houses there belong to SF politicians from other parts of the country. The only one that I knew about was Gerry's and he has one in Louth and another in Belfast at present. The Donegal man was perplexed how this is possible when they are all on the average industrial wage.

William F

steddyeddy wrote: »

Who voted for Hanafin

I think the whole 'we don't endorse Hanafin' media campaign was a publicity stunt which paid off.

To think people are voting FF again sickens me.

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Regardless of party allegiances, I think it's quite positive to see so many women not only putting themselves out there politically, but doing so well.

Why?

andrewdeerpark

steddyeddy wrote: »

Are you seriouisly blaming northern Ireland's economic problems on Sinn Fein? NI has always been an economic blackhole.

No we are just saying NI is not a real economy that has to balance its books. So being in government in Northern Ireland is like being an L driver out in a dual control car with the instructor looking on and capable of taking charge back at any time.

Flex

steddyeddy wrote: »

Are you seriouisly blaming northern Ireland's economic problems on Sinn Fein? NI has always been an economic blackhole.

I don't know how you took that from my post honestly.

The point I was making was Sinn Fein defend the fact they oversee a property tax in NI while being against one in ROI based on the fact that "we charge €900 and get all these services... ", whereas the fact of the matter is they can get away with charging a token €900 fee because the entire province is so incredibly subsidised by GB taxpayers. They're being deceitful and underhanded, but it gets excused

Red Nissan

Chilling, right?

Now I've met Adams and McGuinness going way back when that was illegal, I've spent time in the Irish Defense Forces, fired off a few rounds but never won a medal, got dismissed by Donegan and disarmed by Panards.

I wanna shout hurrah.

dxhound2005

Red Nissan wrote: »

Chilling, right?

Now I've met Adams and McGuinness going way back when that was illegal, I've spent time in the Irish Defense Forces, fired off a few rounds but never won a medal, got dismissed by Donegan and disarmed by Panards.

I wanna shout hurrah.

You can join their army now. It hasn't really gone away.

Banjo String

Flex wrote: »

I don't know how you took that from my post honestly.

The point I was making was Sinn Fein defend the fact they oversee a property tax in NI while being against one in ROI based on the fact that "we charge €900 and get all these services... ", whereas the fact of the matter is they can get away with charging a token €900 fee because the entire province is so incredibly subsidised by GB taxpayers. They're being deceitful and underhanded, but it gets excused

Who oversees it?

Flex

Banjo String wrote: »

Who oversees it?

Come on. You're being pedantic, you know the point I'm making

Were it not for the annual subvention from GB do you honestly believe the property tax in NI would be €900?

RandomName2

I'd be quite interested in why anybody here, who isn't a dyed in the wool SF supporter, voted for them.

I mean, anti-austerity: I get that, but why when there are other options on the table (PBPA, Socialist, AAA, ULA, and some Independents)?

Is it because SF has a larger structure and is more powerful than the other small parties?

dashcamdanny

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Local and European elections are a very different scenario to General elections. If John or Jane Doe from FF are gonna get your pothole fixed, it doesn't really matter how inept they are at economics.

You should vote the candidate at local, the party (or lack thereof) at General and the EU grouping at European.

But come the Elections. Those people who voted them to council will follow them to government. Not under the current government policies of the band they march for, but that stupid pot hole.

Its like bat and ball in this place. FF or FG.

Ridiculous really . We are truly fecked forever.
Cronyism

I wonder who Enda is planning to get a job form later. The Topaz job has been taken.

Sinn Fein all the way. They seem to me like the players who can help put my money back in my pocket . Help the majority of us.

And maybe bring peace to the north.

Banjo String

Flex wrote: »

Come on. You're being pedantic, you know the point I'm making

Were it not for the annual subvention from GB do you honestly believe the property tax in NI would be €900?

How will we ever know?

UK intervention. Works both ways tbh.

Let's take the north out of it. Do you believe someone in England (Wales or Scotland) get better value for money for their rates than an Irish person get via LPT?

Red Nissan

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You can join their army now. It hasn't really gone away.

I know.

Jamiekelly

I hate the term "protest" vote. Having left school in 2008 to a collapsed economy and having to suffer through FG/Lab's sad attempt of "leadership" I know what way I will be voting until the day I die. Independent and no one else.

Had some lad ask me if I was only voting Ind as a "protest" vote and I said very clearly I will never vote for a party in this country ever again, and what a lot of "political analysts" don't get is that the youth (25 and younger) can already smell the bullsh!t from every party, Sinn Fein included.

Already know five of the people who left school with me voted the same way and have shared the same sentiment as myself regarding party politics in this country.

But you will never hear that on RTE R1, a taxpayer circle jerk of party puffing auld ones.

Look no further than the current leader of FF.
Oh and of course the inbred fockers who voted Mary Hannifan back in.

We really are a country of thick inbred short sighted c"a"nts

steveone

RandomName2 wrote: »

I'd be quite interested in why anybody here, who isn't a dyed in the wool SF supporter, voted for them.

I mean, anti-austerity: I get that, but why when there are other options on the table (PBPA, Socialist, AAA, ULA, and some Independents)?

Is it because SF has a larger structure and is more powerful than the other small parties?

Probably more to do with disaffection with the big parties and the fact that they have a profile just made them the 'go to option'

StewartGriffin

Warper wrote: »

Delighted that FF are doing well in the polls. Well done

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Warper wrote: »

Delighted that FG are doing well in the polls. Well done

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Warper wrote: »

Delighted that SF are doing well in the polls. Well done

- THREAD SOUND- PLEASE CARRY ON

Bannasidhe

RandomName2 wrote: »

I'd be quite interested in why anybody here, who isn't a dyed in the wool SF supporter, voted for them.

I mean, anti-austerity: I get that, but why when there are other options on the table (PBPA, Socialist, AAA, ULA, and some Independents)?

Is it because SF has a larger structure and is more powerful than the other small parties?

Nope - not much choice in the South - Was going to vote for O'Flynn but after an email discussion with him on abortion I couldn't. DDI and the other newbies - one look at their websites and the TV debate ended that. Did give a vote to GP and the other 2 independents but they certainly weren't first preference material - that left LP/FG/FF and SF. I did throw a 5th pref at Prendergast for saying Gilmore must go and SF got my first.

SF were also the only people who knocked on my door.

EDIT - Crazy Fundie Catholic - forgot her. She had NO chance not even when she was singing the old feminist battle cry of wages for housework - although that did amuse me greatly.

Busted Flat.

Jamiekelly wrote: »

I hate the term "protest" vote. Having left school in 2008 to a collapsed economy and having to suffer through FG/Lab's sad attempt of "leadership" I know what way I will be voting until the day I die. Independent and no one else.

Had some lad ask me if I was only voting Ind as a "protest" vote and I said very clearly I will never vote for a party in this country ever again, and what a lot of "political analysts" don't get is that the youth (25 and younger) can already smell the bullsh!t from every party, Sinn Fein included.

Already know five of the people who left school with me voted the same way and have shared the same sentiment as myself regarding party politics in this country.

But you will never hear that on RTE R1, a taxpayer circle jerk of party puffing auld ones.

Look no further than the current leader of FF.
Oh and of course the inbred fockers who voted Mary Hannifan back in.

We really are a country of thick inbred short sighted c"a"nts[/QUOTE]

It might be like that in Kildare, over here in the sunny south east we know how to deal with the thicko's in parties.

Red Nissan

We still have social classes in Ireland, some imposed on us by legislation and EU policies.

I've visited houses recently where one of their children had more room to live in than I raised my own five children in.

In my area we are rapidly developing a gated mansion community against a soon to be slum.

The gulf is wider than most realise,