Way to go Sinn Fein

Dan_Solo

Banjo String wrote: »

Who?

Much preferred John Trimble myself.

No way. Gerry Blair was the main man.

blinkey 101

I agree with Bono .

mickydoomsux

blinkey 101 wrote: »

I agree with Bono .

Careful now.

He's one of The Rich.

He'll be first against the wall in the great Shinner uprising.

umop.episdn

Nodin wrote: »

I'd be deflecting if I knew what the jesus she was being asked, and not asking you what the questions were......

Listen to the podcast & decide for yourself, you dont need me to spoonfeed you

Dan_Solo

umop.episdn wrote: »

I asked has anyone heard the show. It's obvious you are deflecting

Did you see yer man saying that stuff earlier at that place?
NOT good I tell ya.
;-)

Aongus Von Bismarck

Banjo String wrote: »

Who?

Much preferred John Trimble myself.

Typo. You know I meant John Hume. But in typical fashion, you just deflect.

suicide_circus

tayto lover wrote: »

I am not a member of SF but I did vote for them this time.
I got fed up of reading about sick people and special needs children being punished for the sins of politicians, developers, bankers etc.

I also own my own house and have never lived in a council house (not that I see anything wrong with that). We needed change and someone to fight our case in Europe instead of bending over for them all the time.

I found your post very arrogant and typical of FG.

Do you think when SF get into government they are going to wave a magic wand, put the special needs kids as the number one priority and force a fundamental change in the laws of economics? If you want to know what they will do, look north of the border where they are in power - closing schools, closing hospital wards, increasing household taxes. Now the austerity they have imposed in the north isnt quite what people in the south have endured but only because stormont is funded from London. And why did sinn fein impose these measures up north? It's not cause theyre arseholes, it is simply the only viable option. People have this ridiculous cartoon image of FG (for whom I have never voted) as these fat cats eating cake and throwing another peasant on the fire as the the streets echo with the lamentations of the poor. Get ****ing real. Sinn Fein are simply doing whatever it takes to gain power, in this case make fantastical promises spouting what ever populist drivel they think people want to hear. Sinn Feins past is irrelevant to me. George Washington was a terrorist in his day.
My issue with Sinn Fein is that they, just like all the other "evil pro austerity" parties is that they are writing cheques they can never possibly cash. Lying through their teeth in order to get elected. It makes precious little difference which party's name is over the door at Leinster House but when I hear election promises with no foundation in reality, it worries me.

Banjo String

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Typo. You know I meant John Hume. But in typical fashion, you just deflect.

I know you meant John Hume Aongus, but I thought you'd see it in the light hearted manner it was posted in.


Jeez, so serious.

Dan_Solo

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Careful now.

He's one of The Rich.

He'll be first against the wall in the great Shinner uprising.

It isn't an uprising when they've been voted in. ;-)

salmocab

I didn't vote SF but if people think that this is as far as they can go they are very wrong, they will gain in all of the next few elections local and dail. In fact I think as time goes on and if the likes of Adams moves on they will become a very attractive vote for people, someone like Mary Lou as leader would kick them on. People will forget the past very easily anyone in FF will tell you that. They are a machine at local level and have momentum now.

Augmerson

suicide_circus wrote: »

Sinn Fein are simply doing whatever it takes to gain power, in this case make fantastical promises spouting what ever populist drivel they think people want to hear.

Just like every other political party. They all promise the sun, moon and stars. Jobs. Our way, not Frankfurt's way. Not another cent.

tomwaterford

Banjo String wrote: »

I work for myself (bloody hard too) and own my own home.

I have never been unemployed a day in my life, and I've worked for everything I own.

I've been a SF voter all my life, so I probably don't fit your elitist social stigma.

Carryon though, it's exactly this kind of condescending attitude that has halved FG support from getting into power.

As you were.

from my experience most people that vote sinn fein...don't find the lazy (and more than little condensending) sterotype thrown out that there supporters are wasters
its a party whose policies are built to help mainly lower paid/working class...and also for the betterment of the country....and treatment of people equally/fairer distribution of wealth (I have no agreement to convince me that cutting dole/medical cards while bending over backwards to pay European banks is fair...but to suggest this is madness people make out you are a waster:rolleyes::rolleyes:)
ive often heard that money isn't there to pay dole...but if Europe banks need it-it is...how is that???

*btw fair play to them...I hope they live up to expectations they have a great chance now...if they go start messing like labour party...il be disappointed and give up on all politations

tayto lover

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'm glad they went the peace route, but I have a lot more respect for the SDLP. The SDLP were by far and away the most popular nationalist party throughout the troubles. An indication that the people of the North rejected violence. Not this rewritten history that the shinbots spout about the RA having popular support.

David Hume is a peacemaker and a man worthy of praise. Gerry Adams is a man who has lots of innocent blood on his hands and should be rotting in a jail cell.

Anyway....I digress. My problem with SF in the south and the reason I don't vote for them is mainly their loony economic policies and populist nonsense.

BUT the people of Northern Ireland did not continue to vote SDLP in the same numbers.
They saw that it was getting them nowhere and decided that if they voted SF they might scare the other established parties and the British Government into some kind of action which would bring change. A bit like the people of the Republic did yesterday when they voted SF strongly.
Anyway John Hume saw enough to make him seek talks with Adams and eventually get the peace the people needed and deserved plus a lot of fair play which was denied to them previously.

tayto lover

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do you think when SF get into government they are going to wave a magic wand, put the special needs kids as the number one priority and force a fundamental change in the laws of economics? If you want to know what they will do, look north of the border where they are in power - closing schools, closing hospital wards, increasing household taxes. Now the austerity they have imposed in the north isnt quite what people in the south have endured but only because stormont is funded from London. And why did sinn fein impose these measures up north? It's not cause theyre arseholes, it is simply the only viable option. People have this ridiculous cartoon image of FG (for whom I have never voted) as these fat cats eating cake and throwing another peasant on the fire as the the streets echo with the lamentations of the poor. Get ****ing real. Sinn Fein are simply doing whatever it takes to gain power, in this case make fantastical promises spouting what ever populist drivel they think people want to hear. Sinn Feins past is irrelevant to me. George Washington was a terrorist in his day.
My issue with Sinn Fein is that they, just like all the other "evil pro austerity" parties is that they are writing cheques they can never possibly cash. Lying through their teeth in order to get elected. It makes precious little difference which party's name is over the door at Leinster House but when I hear election promises with no foundation in reality, it worries me.

I think we are well used to false promises and cartoon economics already so let's give them the chance.

strettyend

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You ever considered being a PR man for SF, PBP or the AAA.

Your posts contain the same fact-free heart string tugging nonsense they trot out.

Your the one spouting out rubbish. Im giving you facts not fiction. The irish people have had enough bull****e and broken promises from labour and fine gael and have had enough. The polls today have indicated this. Will sinn fein be any better if they get into power in the general election? i have got no idea but i am more willing to give them a chance as i think the present government has brought nothing but misery and hardship to the majority of people on this island who have giving an unanimous two fingers today to this government and said enough is enough.

mada999

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

before long they'll be in a position of real responsibility and will probably sh!t themselves at the thought of having to make tough and real decisions

sure what decisions do the current govt make?! What qualifications do they have? They get senior civil servants and outside consultants to make their decisions? surely another party can do the same ?!

suicide_circus

tayto lover wrote: »

I think we are well used to false promises and cartoon economics already so let's give them the chance.

A chance to do what? Fook the place up even more with their vague soapbox economics and sticking it to the man?

Bannasidhe

Phoebas wrote: »

These two things a.k.a. sticking to your principle and making compromises are often conflicting.
SF will now have the opportunity (albeit in a limited way in local councils) to demonstrate all of the qualities that you think they have ( they can deliver an actual republic? - that sounds impressive ).
I wish them well, but I've got a feeling that real politics might get in the way.

I would rather rejoin the Union than continue with our current banana republic such is the level of my disgust at what FF/FG have wrought between them with LP as nodding lapdogs to whoever gives them a shot at a good pension.

I am willing to at least give SF a chance but some people can't move beyond their own narrow, hidebound, prejudices and insist on refighting old battles - hence if it's not FG it must be FF becuase me granddad in the Civil War. That is what got us into this mess in the first place.

tayto lover

suicide_circus wrote: »

A chance to do what? Fook the place up even more with their vague soapbox economics and sticking it to the man?

Time will tell. Can they do any worse than we have seen already?

A Dub in Glasgo

umop.episdn wrote: »

you dont need me to spoonfeed you

Clearly you do need to be spoon fed though

Donkey Oaty

Some SF supporters on here are understandably delighted at the gains SF have made in these elections, but there's a few things they should bear in mind.

Firstly, SF did not win the election, nor would they even be the official opposition if these results were replicated in a national election.

Secondly, the whole "we need to move on from the past" thing might turn out to be a double-edged sword, because this could be to FF's advantage. Haughey, Cowan, et al do not lead FF anymore, but Adams and McGuinness are still in charge of SF.

Also, the Dublin West result should give pause for thought - SF in the end came third, despite the high hopes for winning the seat.

SF have done well, but it's the Independents/Others that are the real winners tonight, without a shadow of a doubt.

mickydoomsux

strettyend wrote: »

i think the present government has brought nothing but misery and hardship to the majority of people on this island ...

Nope that was FF and the people who cheered them on (FG included) as they overheated our economy in an unstable manner with laissez-faire spending and giveaway budget after giveaway budget all topped off with an unprecedented global recession.

The unenviable task of fixing this fell to the FG and Lab coalition, pretty much by default, and it has led to the populace throwing their collective toys out of their pram and voting for the people (not just SF, mind) who are promising to fix all their current woes with no real clear plan in place.

As i said already, i have no love for SF but they played this campaign out very well and you have to give that to them.

LordSutch

Smidge wrote: »

Can you clarify who you are talking about when you say "those people"?
Thanks

The PIRAs victims ranged from policemen to soldiers to politicians, to the judiciary, nit forgetting Lord Mountbatten & his family & friends to all manner of civilians, both in their own community plus civilians from other communities from all walks of life, that's what I mean by "those people".

Most were killed by the IRAs actions, but many of those who survived are missing limbs & eyes courtesy of IRA bombs, most of which comprised of semtex (Thank you Gaddafi) or fertiliser, plus as many 6" nails as they could pack in . . .

tomwaterford

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I would rather rejoin the Union than continue with our current banana republic such is the level of my disgust at what FF/FG have wrought between them with LP as nodding lapdogs to whoever gives them a shot at a good pension.

I am willing to at least give SF a chance but some people can't move beyond their own narrow, hidebound, prejudices and insist on refighting old battles - hence if it's not FG it must be FF becuase me granddad in the Civil War. That is what got us into this mess in the first place.

this the 100% what people say....sure what harm can it be to have an opposition...when in effect politically,socially FG/FF/LP are singing off the one sheet and in effect are different branches of the same party

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Some SF supporters on here are understandably delighted at the gains SF have made in these elections, but there's a few things they should bear in mind.

Firstly, SF did not win the election, nor would they even be the official opposition if these results were replicated in a national election.

Secondly, the whole "we need to move on from the past" thing might turn out to be a double-edged sword, because this could be to FF's advantage. Haughey, Cowan, et al do not lead FF anymore, but Adams and McGuinness are still in charge of SF.

Also, the Dublin West result should give pause for thought - SF in the end came third, despite the high hopes for winning the seat.

SF have done well, but it's the Independents/Others that are the real winners tonight, without a shadow of a doubt.

I would love to see a good analysis of these...even to see which parties they fall closest to

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

The PIRAs (.....) pack in . . .

War is a grim business.

moxin

Dublin West was always going to be a seat for the left, the SF candidate hadn't a hope with Ms Coppinger who is clearly established there.(he did get elected as a councillor though)
Have a look at the Dublin City Council results especially the first preferences, its full of SF and PBF\Socialist\Ind http://www.rte.ie/news/election2014/#/local/A07 I believe its the same in SDCC and Fingal. SF got alot of poll toppers in various wards.

Kippure

Well done to SF.

But who in there right minds are still voting for FF????
They must have Alzheimers.....

davycc

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh yes, those people really did need extra holes in their heads, and all those people really did need those limbs removed (courtesy of IRA bombs), while other victims really did need to be murdered by the PIRA and then disappeared somewhere in the ground for 30+ years.



Hence my deduction that you were in the IRA, but yet you say you were not

just saying we as they were representing me and many other republicians during the darkest times as there was no political end in sight sadly for a very long time:(..

if you want to talk removed limbs i can show you my rubber bullet collection some day:cool:

mickydoomsux

Kippure wrote: »

But who in there right minds are still voting for FF????

"They aren't FG or Labour." -that would have been the thought process that was involved there.

Also, it's isn't "still" voting. They actually took a bit of a bump up in this election somehow.

tomwaterford

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Nope that was FF and the people who cheered them on (FG included) as they overheated our economy in an unstable manner with laissez-faire spending and giveaway budget after giveaway budget all topped off with an unprecedented global recession.

The unenviable task of fixing this fell to the FG and Lab coalition, pretty much by default, and it has led to the populace throwing their collective toys out of their pram and voting for the people (not just SF, mind) who are promising to fix all their current woes with no real clear plan in place.

As i said already, i have no love for SF but they played this campaign out very well and you have to give that to them.

I was willing to give FG/LP a fair crack of the whip...being fully aware that cuts etc were necessary (and to a certain extent they have been bad but haven't been terrible)
but more espially due to they talked a good talk about ending cronyism/corruption....but how many pay-caps being breached now??...FG party members/supporters handed government jobs/blind eyes turned etc....alan shatter was an example...the way he carried on didn't do anyone any favours

they haven't been as straight about ending cronyism etc...this is what is rotton to the core in irish politics...until they end this it is not unreasonable to begin to despair and turn peoples support to SF