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Lou.m

Military & Defense More: Ukraine Protests Euromaidan Protests
LIVE: Police Move In On Protestors In Kiev
Jeremy Bender and Michael Kelley Feb. 18, 2014, 1:16 PM 3,103 17

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The anti-government protests in Ukraine are at their most violent point as at least nine people have died so far on Tuesday.

The police now seem to be trying to storm Independence Square, aka Maidan, where activists have been camping out and protesting en masse since early December.

They are being met with barrages of Molotav cocktails. Part of the encampment is on fire.

Previously, police have gathered around the square and clashed with protesters, but this time seems to be a more assertive effort. Earlier police asked women and children to leave Maidan so they can begin an "anti-terrorist operation."

Basically, things could get ugly tonight.

Here is a frequently updated live blog from The Interpreter.

It's a little after 21:00 in Kiev right now (14:00 EST).

Earlier the Ukrainian Berkut, the feared security apparatus of the state, gave protesters until 18:00 [11:00 EST] to end the demonstrations or face "tough measures." In response, the Right Sector, a radical far-right group, has called on protestors to start arming themselves.

The protests have become a struggle for the direction of the country and whether it stays within Moscow's orbit or moves toward integration with the EU.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/protestors-in-ukraine-fight-a-crackdown-2014-2#ixzz2thfP992E

Can I post a link to live stream??

Donkey Oaty

Lou.m wrote: »

Can I post a link to live stream??

Can't speak for the mods, but please do - would welcome it.

mike65

The OP of this thread might consider the difference between Ireland and Ukraine

Lou.m

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-intense-violence-in-kiev/

This is a blog by an interpreter that is updated regularly.

ninebeanrows

Emergency message US Embassy Kiev to Americans: Remain indoors. Ukrainian Security "may take extraordinary measures"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26244542

My name is URL

Lou.m wrote: »

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-intense-violence-in-kiev/

This is a blog by an interpreter that is updated regularly.

Holy crap.. it looks terrifying on that live stream

I think I'd head off home and hide in bed if I was there

Lou.m

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http://www.rferl.org/media/video/25268112.html

Link to earlier footage to what happened today.

super_furry

Putin's $2billion payment came through yesterday didn't it? Now they government are starting to earn it from him.

Lou.m

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1352376

Live stream link

They were just singing the Ukrainian anthem.

Donkey Oaty

Good luck, Ukrainians. You'll need it.

Lou.m

Damn I wish I could find live stream with interpretations.

porsche959

I don't know much about this issue. I have read a lot of the protestors are involved with groups with far right sympathies...is this true?

Donkey Oaty

Live coverage on BBC News as well - English commentary, obviously.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26244542

Lou.m

People are tweeting #Ukraine #ukraineprotests #ukraineagainstnazism

Lou.m

Look guys we have seen in history what happens when there is uneasiness in Eastern Europe. It affects the whole area and the rest of Europe.

emo72

is this descending into a civil war?

SEPT 23 1989

so this would be like the National Front and the English Defence League trying to overthrow the democratically elected UK goverment and the west is supporting this?

Aidric

Jesus.

Олег Титаренко ‏@olegtytarenko 4m
Bloodbath in #Kyiv. Police uses AK47 with live rounds. Several confirmed dead. #euromaidan http://bit.ly/MvQLFq

Donkey Oaty

emo72 wrote: »

is this descending into a civil war?

Unconfirmed tweet says the Crimean parliament (internal Ukrainian region) has declared it so, but regardless of that it looks like it's getting close to one.

Donkey Oaty

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so this would be like the National Front and the English Defence League trying to overthrow the democratically elected UK goverment and the west is supporting this?

No, no and no. Absolutely not.

Lou.m

From what I can tell protestors have become radicalized. But some people believe that these are actually govt provocateurs who have acted to justify a govt crack down.

The protests began in late November after Yanukovych froze ties with the EU in exchange for a $15 billion bailout from Russia, but the political maneuvering continued and Moscow later suspended its payments. On Monday, however, while opposition leaders were meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Russia offered a fresh infusion of the billions of dollars that Ukraine needs to keep its ailing economy afloat.

But this seems to be about far more.

It seems to be difficult to get a straight story of examples of curtailing of civil rights. But the general idea is the Govt is full of gangsters according to protestors.

Whenever I hear them speak they tend to on about freedoms but not specifics.

Cool_CM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so this would be like the National Front and the English Defence League trying to overthrow the democratically elected UK goverment and the west is supporting this?

No.

suicide_circus

****ing Russians

zef

They look like everyday normal people from watching the close ups of the crowd on the video stream. Not the thug type.
Its a bit surreal watching stuff like that unfolding live.

Banjo String

That looks fcuking terrifying tbh.

Crann na Beatha

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Donkey Oaty

Propaganda war is well underway.

"5 Kanal is now available only online, live broadcasting has been completely shut down across the country" - Ukrainian TV presenter Artem Ovdiyenko on Facebook, quoted by BBC

BBC also quoting Russian ITAR-TASS as saying that the Canadian Embassy has been attacked.

Anyone know how Russia Today has been reporting this?

Lou.m

From what I understand there is a huge tear in the country from east to west.

The East supports the govt more as it has strong economic ties with Russia and the West Has much more ties with the west.

Russia's finance minister offered to resume financial aid to Ukraine on Monday, just as Yanukovych was expected to nominate a new prime minister, prompting fears among the opposition that he would 'tap' a Russian-leaning loyalist.

The opposition demanded changes to the constitution and a new election. But so far nothing.

Lou.m

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Propaganda war is well underway.

"5 Kanal is now available only online, live broadcasting has been completely shut down across the country" - Ukrainian TV presenter Artem Ovdiyenko on Facebook, quoted by BBC

BBC also quoting Russian ITAR-TASS as saying that the Canadian Embassy has been attacked.

Anyone know how Russia Today has been reporting this?

I am finding the language barrier combined with propaganda and silencing is making it difficult to find out a clear honest narrative.

Donkey Oaty

Lou.m wrote: »

I am finding the language barrier combined with propaganda and silencing is making it difficult to find out a clear honest narrative.

The Guardian is worth a look:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/ukraine-police-storm-kiev-protest-camp-live-updates

Jonny7

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Anyone know how Russia Today has been reporting this?

With heavy bias