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Ukraine: As it happens.

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    #152
    Agent Smith
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    #153
    Lou.m
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    Is this now a revolution or a protest?


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    #154
    eoin91
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    Lou.m wrote: »
    Is this now a revolution or a protest?

    The Presidium of the Supreme Council of Crimea (Wiki Description: "100-member unicameral parliament of the Ukrainian territory the Autonomous Republic of Crimea")are classing this as the beginning of a Civil War, they released the following statement earlier.
    “Militants from Svoboda, Right Sector and other extremist organisations have announced a general mobilisation and are calling on people with guns to go to the barricades… This is no longer a peaceful protest, as we are constantly being told by opposition leaders and the biased media, nor are these even riots. This is the beginning of a civil war, the threat of which the Crimean parliament has repeatedly warned” said the statement from members of the Crimean parliament.


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    #155
    6781
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    Plenty of propaganda on Russia Today. It's like Russia's version of Fox News.

    This crack down has been on the cards for a while now.


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    #156
    J_E
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    I fear and hope for the safety of those on both sides, the images of the city tonight are nothing short of horrific. Kiev will never be the same again either way, so much damage and violence.


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    #157
    Lou.m
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    6781 wrote: »
    Plenty of propaganda on Russia Today. It's like Russia's version of Fox News.

    This crack down has been on the cards for a while now.

    Is there any genuine station or news reporting in Russia these days?


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    #158
    Lou.m
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    I fear and hope for the safety of those on both sides, the images of the city tonight are nothing short of horrific. Kiev will never be the same again either way, so much damage and violence.

    I don't know how the EU integration that the protestors seem to want could happen for a long time now.


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    #159
    J_E
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    Lou.m wrote: »
    I don't know how the EU integration that the protestors seem to want could happen for a long time now.
    I thought this too, there is protest and then there is pure chaos, the riots have descended into needless violence and war. I am particularly upset about the people who don't want to be involved but can't leave the area now. Could you imagine something of even a fraction of this scale happening in Ireland?


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    #160
    6781
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    "Quote:
    “Militants from Svoboda, Right Sector and other extremist organisations have announced a general mobilisation and are calling on people with guns to go to the barricades… This is no longer a peaceful protest, as we are constantly being told by opposition leaders and the biased media, nor are these even riots. This is the beginning of a civil war"

    Great... All the people of Ukraine need now is this nazi scum making shît worse.


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    #161
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    6781 wrote: »
    "Quote:
    “Militants from Svoboda, Right Sector and other extremist organisations have announced a general mobilisation and are calling on people with guns to go to the barricades… This is no longer a peaceful protest, as we are constantly being told by opposition leaders and the biased media, nor are these even riots. This is the beginning of a civil war"

    Great... All the people of Ukraine need now is this nazi scum making shît worse.
    It's disgusting that what started as a protest is being hijacked as an excuse to cause real and very dangerous havoc.


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    #162
    Lou.m
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    It's disgusting that what started as a protest is being hijacked as an excuse to cause real and very dangerous havoc.

    That always happens it's why the regimes that take the place of the one ousted tend to be worse.


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    #163
    enfant terrible
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    Harold Weiss wrote: »
    See the irony of your statement here when US are deciding who should govern the Ukraine?

    Is it not obvious?

    And the Russian don't?

    I see both sides for what they are unlike you.

    I'm on the Ukrainian people's side not Putin's or Obama's.


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    #164
    Lou.m
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    https://twitter.com/MarcusSchwarze/status/435939244926717952/photo/1

    These are FAKE pics ...they are said to be fake from today yet are still circulating.


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    #165
    Lou.m
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    I'm on the Ukrainian people's side not Putin's or Obama's.


    There are two distinct Ukrainian sides...which one are you on?


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    #166
    [Deleted User]
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    The top right pic of the woman jumping was taken during the London riots.


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    #167
    J_E
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    And the Russian don't?

    I see both sides for what they are unlike you.

    I'm on the Ukrainian people's side not Putin's or Obama's.
    I was under the impression this was more a Ukrainian people VS state battle? Hence the civil war moniker.


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    #168
    Lou.m
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    Wow.... US Ambassador Pyatt helped direct traffic towards the Maidan earlier today..



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    #169
    6781
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    I'm on the Ukrainian people's.
    Bit simplistic...


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    #170
    Lou.m
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    The top right pic of the woman jumping was taken during the London riots.

    Thanks. Poor woman.


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    #171
    J_E
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    Lou.m wrote: »
    Wow.... US Ambassador Pyatt helped direct traffic towards the Maidan earlier today..

    Trust US to interfere with other countries, consistently.


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    #172
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Lou.m wrote: »
    There are two distinct Ukrainian sides...which one are you on?

    It's either one or the other is it?

    No chance of a peaceful agreement if the current government steps down?

    Do I have to pick a side, east or west?


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    #173
    Lou.m
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    Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt from the US has made this statement.
    From this moment we consider Yanukovych to be responsible for everything happening in Ukraine.


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    #174
    wazky
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    It's Putin me off going to the Ukraine this summer I must say.


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    #175
    Lou.m
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    Sochi journalists, should get themselves to Kyiv, Ukraine right now. ...any so-called journalist talking about Olympics right now and other fluff topic is not really a journalist who cares about what is happening in the world., but instead is likely to just be working for a propaganda machine.


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    #176
    Fred Swanson
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    #177
    J_E
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    That's just about the last thing Ukrainians want right now.


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    #178
    Fred Swanson
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    #179
    J_E
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Well, duh. That's the whole reason this is happening in the first place.


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    #180
    Lou.m
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    It's either one or the other is it?

    No chance of a peaceful agreement if the current government steps down?

    Do I have to pick a side, east or west?


    Some support him and there is little chance of him doing that anyway.

    I am not saying the position of peace is wrong it is just unlikely ...we would all prefer it it is just naive.

    Do I have to pick a side, east or west?

    I think the issue is should your human rights suffer because you pick one side that is against the govt?


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    #181
    Harold Weiss
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Trust US to interfere with other countries, consistently.

    Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi on pro-Israel State Dept. official caught orchestrating regime change in Ukraine.

    Diplomacy Is a Four Letter Word
    Nuland was recently intercepted in a telephone conversation with the US Ambassador to the Ukraine Geoff Pyatt. She and the ambassador discussed whom they would support in their drive to rearrange the Ukrainian government, bringing in the UN afterwards to "glue" the deal. Nuland, who has visited the Ukraine several times to speak to the demonstrators and pass out cookies, described the possible European Union (EU) role in such a project disparagingly, using a four letter word which was widely reported in the media. The focus on her language somewhat obscured the far more important content of the call, discussing plans to destabilize the Ukraine while actively working to select one opposition politician as the preferred choice to bring about change in the government.

    Yep, US nothing to do with unrest there at all.


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