limerick city of sub culture

maryk123

I was at riverdance last night and fantastic night. From parking to seating to drinks, shop everything moved at great pace. No delays. Seating excellent. No overpricing. No traffic delays. Limerick city of culture should be extremely proud to bring this show to limerick and I can't wait to se if more shows come. Well done to everyone involved.

Munstermad

Was at Riverdance on Friday Night, WOW!. Listening to Bill Whelan commenting on the CoC s rocky start in the opening minutes, and how that was all now behind us, and then praising and reminiscing about Limerick city really started the evening off well, you could almost touch the pride in the room. Bill is a legend!
Then the show began, Holy God it was fantastic!!! The music the dancing, the thrilling atmosphere and humour throughout were just amazing, one of those hair standing on the back of your neck performances...

If this is a taste of what's yet to come the scars of CoC past will soon be healed... Bring it on!

Kess73

The OH was singing it's praises yesterday when I got back to Ireland. She went to Friday night's show and her take was that everything went very very well. From how the parking was laid out to the show itself all got her seal of approval and then some.

Going by her comments, and those on here, it certainly sounds like it was a massive success on every level.

Dumdum McCarthy

I just passed Thomond Park a while ago,i noticed that there is a banner showcasing the National City of Culture 2014,To me it looked like it was just thrown over the edge of the stand at the last minute for last Sundays match.It looks too small and out of place to me.With the quater final of the Hcup in April i wonder could they ask Thomond Park Stadium officials could they use a section of the stand with a decent sized banner or maybe commision a local artist to do it.A sign similar to what they did on the gable of the terrace on the Mayorstone end Galtee i think is the sponsor and they probably paid alot for the space.

bigpink

Hope Riverdance and the launch concert weren't there big guns with the budget spent

magma69

Munsterman35 wrote: »

<SNIP>

A first post with an inflammatory accusation against a guy involved in Limerick arts all his life.

You're in a great position to accuse someone of a personal agenda. :pac:

Toffeeboy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/city-of-culture-job-still-hasnt-been-advertised-30034066.html

Silentcorner

Toffeeboy wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/city-of-culture-job-still-hasnt-been-advertised-30034066.html

I see the appetite for the destruction of the credibility of LCOC is alive and well in the indo.

Is anybody in this country unaware of the cronyism in this debacle.

Was the media storm they created at that the begininng of the year not enough?

Has the damage that particular newspaper done to this city over the last 15-20 years not enough?

This whole debacle has me with nothing but disdain for our political establishment.

I have nothing but disdain for the Dublin media and in particular Barry Duggan and the Indo.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

I see the appetite for the destruction of the credibility of LCOC is alive and well in the indo.

Is anybody in this country unaware of the cronyism in this debacle.

Was the media storm they created at that the begininng of the year not enough?

Has the damage that particular newspaper done to this city over the last 15-20 years not enough?

This whole debacle has me with nothing but disdain for our political establishment.

I have nothing but disdain for the Dublin media and in particular Barry Duggan and the Indo.

Is any of this Indo report untrue ?

seachto7

That article doesn't matter. The clique will get their hands on the money anyway.
How much did it cost to make that song for Limerick video does anyone know?

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

Is any of this Indo report untrue ?

It is irrelevant.


They are relentlessly discrediting the entire event, bear in mind that the European City of Culture in 2020 has yet to be decided (it will be an Irish City, and as both Dublin and Cork have already been /ECOCs it is between Limerick/Galway/Waterford) this damage will be enough to ensure that it won't be going to Limerick.

I could point to similar machinations during the Cork/Derry City of Cultures but that would just pit me v you

What the Dublin press do is very cunning, instead of getting bogged down on the individual stories, take a 12 month view of the narrative the Dublin Media pursue, it is predominantly negative. Multiply that 12 months by 15-20 years of a similar negative agenda and you may begin to understand the damage these people have done.

I shudder to think of the negative media campaign we again will suffer from during the upcoming Wayne Dundon trial.

CatFromHue

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is irrelevant.


They are relentlessly discrediting the entire event, bear in mind that the European City of Culture in 2020 has yet to be decided (it will be an Irish City, and as both Dublin and Cork have already been /ECOCs it is between Limerick/Galway/Waterford) this damage will be enough to ensure that it won't be going to Limerick.

I could point to similar machinations during the Cork/Derry City of Cultures but that would just pit me v you

What the Dublin press do is very cunning, instead of getting bogged down on the individual stories, take a 12 month view of the narrative the Dublin Media pursue, it is predominantly negative. Multiply that 12 months by 15-20 years of a similar negative agenda and you may begin to understand the damage these people have done.

I shudder to think of the negative media campaign we again will suffer from during the upcoming Wayne Dundon trial.

Should the Indo just not report on the negative things that happen?

You can give out about the Indo and the "Dublin Media" all you want but if what's happening is true.................

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is irrelevant.


They are relentlessly discrediting the entire event, bear in mind that the European City of Culture in 2020 has yet to be decided (it will be an Irish City, and as both Dublin and Cork have already been /ECOCs it is between Limerick/Galway/Waterford) this damage will be enough to ensure that it won't be going to Limerick.

I could point to similar machinations during the Cork/Derry City of Cultures but that would just pit me v you

What the Dublin press do is very cunning, instead of getting bogged down on the individual stories, take a 12 month view of the narrative the Dublin Media pursue, it is predominantly negative. Multiply that 12 months by 15-20 years of a similar negative agenda and you may begin to understand the damage these people have done.

I shudder to think of the negative media campaign we again will suffer from during the upcoming Wayne Dundon trial.

Look, it is a bout time we lost the chip on the shoulder poor me attitude. Stop having f&*K ups and they will stop reporting them.

There is no Indo agenda here .

Silentcorner

CatFromHue wrote: »

Should the Indo just not report on the negative things that happen?

You can give out about the Indo and the "Dublin Media" all you want but if what's happening is true.................

......and what happens when it is true of elsewhere and is not reported with the same gusto?

The Gathering 2013 (and old FG party hack if memory serves me right) had a political appointment...where was that media storm...it was reported but nearly as aggressively as LCOC, as already stated the same debacle happened in Derry last year and Cork before that...where were those media storms?

I single out the Dublin media because The Irish Examiner did not pursue the same agenda (by and large), I would love to be defending the Dublin media but what is happening to this city is true...it has been stigmatized beyond recognition...

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

Look, it is a bout time we lost the chip on the shoulder poor me attitude. Stop having f&*K ups and they will stop reporting them.

There is no Indo agenda here .

Believe me I have no chip on my shoulder, life is too short, I would hate to see any other part of any country receive the same treatment we have received, therefore all I ask is that we are treated like everywhere else...am I asking too much.

This country is stacked to high heaven with f**k ups like this, maybe if our beloved media were as aggressive with every other f**k up as they were with this one the establishment wouldn't get away with it.

The Indo have only ever had an agenda...it is a newspaper after all...and I don't care what you or anyone else thinks, I know enough about media manipulation to know we are being done up like kippers.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

......and what happens when it is true of elsewhere and is not reported with the same gusto?

The Gathering 2013 (and old FG party hack if memory serves me right) had a political appointment...where was that media storm...it was reported but nearly as aggressively as LCOC, as already stated the same debacle happened in Derry last year and Cork before that...where were those media storms?

I single out the Dublin media because The Irish Examiner did not pursue the same agenda (by and large), I would love to be defending the Dublin media but what is happening to this city is true...it has been stigmatized beyond recognition...

You need to take off the provincial glasses . If we continue to supply newsworthy stories the papers will print them , including the Examiner.

If we continue to produce such gangland figures they will report them .Do you really expect otherwise ? And in all fairness they don't need to embellish those stories . Lets accept some local responsibility and stop shooting the messenger

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

You need to take off the provincial glasses . If we continue to supply newsworthy stories the papers will print them , including the Examiner.

If we continue to produce such gangland figures they will report them .Do you really expect otherwise ? And in all fairness they don't need to embellish those stories . Lets accept some local responsibility and stop shooting the messenger

Provincial Glasses? Do they come with a chip on the shoulder?...Seriously don't throw meaningless cliches at me, disagree with me by all means, you can start by showing me the media storms in the other Cities where the exact same thing happened...

The stories aren't embellished, but the longer those stories stay in the press the more damage they do...like I said this is very cunning, it makes the objectors seem paranoid.

I said, all I ask is that we get treated the same as everywhere else, that means covering gangland crime, cronyism etc etc...to the VERY same degree as everywhere else....here to fore that has not happened.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

Provincial Glasses? Do they come with a chip on the shoulder?...Seriously don't throw meaningless cliches at me, disagree with me by all means, you can start by showing me the media storms in the other Cities where the exact same thing happened...

The stories aren't embellished, but the longer those stories stay in the press the more damage they do...like I said this is very cunning, it makes the objectors seem paranoid.

I said, all I ask is that we get treated the same as everywhere else, that means covering gangland crime, cronyism etc etc...to the VERY same degree as everywhere else....here to fore that has not happened.

It is just provincialism, other places get just the same coverage if they provide newsworthy issues. You just don't take as much notice and why would you .

We have a reputation, do we deserve it ? What do you think.

Lets focus more on cleaning up the city and less on sanitising the papers.

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

It is just provincialism, other places get just the same coverage if they provide newsworthy issues. You just don't take as much notice and why would you .

We have a reputation, do we deserve it ? What do you think.

Lets focus more on cleaning up the city and less on sanitising the papers.

I am still unclear what you mean by provincialism?

Other places (Derry and Cork) provided the exact same newsworthy content, in the exact same situation....they did not get same coverage/news content as Limerick did not even close....does that make me paranoid, or suffering from a chip on my shoulder, or provincialism (whatever that is)?

Or are you simply incapable of seeing past any media agenda?

We have a reputation as a result of this media agenda, do we deserve it...lets check out what our students think

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057109121

There is work to be done in this city, there are massive social issues, unemployment etc...it would be a lot easier to tackle those issues without the Dublin media (it would not be fair to include the Examiner or BBC ) taking every opportunity to kick us.

seachto7

Silentcorner wrote: »

Provincial Glasses? Do they come with a chip on the shoulder?...Seriously don't throw meaningless cliches at me, disagree with me by all means, you can start by showing me the media storms in the other Cities where the exact same thing happened...

The stories aren't embellished, but the longer those stories stay in the press the more damage they do...like I said this is very cunning, it makes the objectors seem paranoid.

I said, all I ask is that we get treated the same as everywhere else, that means covering gangland crime, cronyism etc etc...to the VERY same degree as everywhere else....here to fore that has not happened.

So where has the Indo reported the City of Vultures fiasco inaccurately?

CatFromHue

Silentcorner wrote: »

......and what happens when it is true of elsewhere and is not reported with the same gusto?

The Gathering 2013 (and old FG party hack if memory serves me right) had a political appointment...where was that media storm...it was reported but nearly as aggressively as LCOC, as already stated the same debacle happened in Derry last year and Cork before that...where were those media storms?

I single out the Dublin media because The Irish Examiner did not pursue the same agenda (by and large), I would love to be defending the Dublin media but what is happening to this city is true...it has been stigmatized beyond recognition...

If the 2 people who quit their jobs in Limerick had not done so I don't think there would be much of a story here, if any.

They did though and when two of the main people for the whole event leave in the circumstances they did it's gonna bring attention to the event.

Doing a quick search on The Indo and The Examiners websites for Limerick City of Culture pretty much comes up with the same stories in the same amount of quantities.

Silentcorner

seachto7 wrote: »

So where has the Indo reported the City of Vultures fiasco inaccurately?

Where did I state they had?

They haven't, they have been perfectly accurate...they have just exposed their readers to that story to a much higher degree than they have to other similar stories.

I know we are going a bit off topic but it is important to understand the dynamic.

We'll just say there was two murders in two different parts of the country.

One murder was covered on page 1, for 5 days solid, covering the crime, the commentary, the arrest, the first court appearance, the sentencing etc. (watch out for the Wayne Dundon trial in April, and remember when those guys were at their worst, gangland murders in Dublin were at their worst)

The other murder (the same crime) is covered for one day on page 7 or 9 or whatever.

The same crime, covered in two completely different ways, neither story is embellished, or reported inaccurately, but in the eyes of the reader one murder is way more serious than the other.

My problem is that, in this case in particular, that media narrative is at it's most obvious, I cannot be accused of being paranoid, or having a chip on my shoulder, or any other of a number of cliches. I am simply pointing out an injustice.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

Where did I state they had?

They haven't, they have been perfectly accurate...they have just exposed their readers to that story to a much higher degree than they have to other similar stories.

I know we are going a bit off topic but it is important to understand the dynamic.

We'll just say there was two murders in two different parts of the country.

One murder was covered on page 1, for 5 days solid, covering the crime, the commentary, the arrest, the first court appearance, the sentencing etc. (watch out for the Wayne Dundon trial in April, and remember when those guys were at their worst, gangland murders in Dublin were at their worst)

The other murder (the same crime) is covered for one day on page 7 or 9 or whatever.

The same crime, covered in two completely different ways, neither story is embellished, or reported inaccurately, but in the eyes of the reader one murder is way more serious than the other.

My problem is that, in this case in particular, that media narrative is at it's most obvious, I cannot be accused of being paranoid, or having a chip on my shoulder, or any other of a number of cliches. I am simply pointing out an injustice.

Sticking with the crime meme - Limerick has 'previous' so draws more coverage.

Stop having cock-ups and the coverage will stop.

I am tired of the whinging about such things .

Silentcorner

CatFromHue wrote: »

If the 2 people who quit their jobs in Limerick had not done so I don't think there would be much of a story here, if any.

They did though and when two of the main people for the whole event leave in the circumstances they did it's gonna bring attention to the event.

Doing a quick search on The Indo and The Examiners websites for Limerick City of Culture pretty much comes up with the same stories in the same amount of quantities.

The exact same thing happened in Derry and Cork....it did...there was no media storm then...lets be honest, this kind of tasteless cronyism happens all the time in this country...it does...it rarely gets the same treatment this one got.

The Irish Examiner did cover the story of course they did, I meant historically they did not pursue that narrative I am constantly referring to, they have slipped in recent years, which is why I said by and large.

Remember this was covered on all newspapers, tv shows, radio talk shows, magazines every day for over a week.

CatFromHue

So the Art director resigned a day or two into the start of the years festivals and then another Senior member of staff resigned a week later in both Cork and Derry?

Silentcorner

CatFromHue wrote: »

So the Art director resigned a day or two into the start of the years festivals and then another Senior member of staff resigned a week later in both Cork and Derry?

No the in and outs were a little different in both cases, but it was essentially the same thing, the Derry one had resignations throughout the year, the cork one was the same, the only difference was the timing of the resignations. I don't see how one could generate so much column inches, airtime, media exposure and the other one's didn't. The timing isn't relevant such was the difference in coverage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-24606172

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

No the in and outs were a little different in both cases, but it was essentially the same thing, the Derry one had resignations throughout the year, the cork one was the same, the only difference was the timing of the resignations. I don't see how one could generate so much column inches, airtime, media exposure and the other one's didn't. The timing isn't relevant such was the difference in coverage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-24606172

Yeah ,but timing is everything, we had this just weeks before the thing was set to kick off. The Derry ones are linked to when it was winding up.

Not really the same thing , the first thing we are treated to in Limerick is a fiasco at the very top before we have even one event.

It was a self inflicted cock-up, just accept it and move on.

iguana

marienbad wrote: »

It is just provincialism, other places get just the same coverage if they provide newsworthy issues. You just don't take as much notice and why would you .

They don't really. Did you see the Prime Time Special recently on the unprecedented spate of murders this year? At the time there had been 8 murders in a month, all committed in Dublin. Not that you'd know it if the programme was how you'd learned about it as they kept referring to it as a nationwide problem, then had a discussion about gangs in Limerick.

Totally Tropical

marienbad wrote: »

You need to take off the provincial glasses . If we continue to supply newsworthy stories the papers will print them , including the Examiner.

If we continue to produce such gangland figures they will report them .Do you really expect otherwise ? And in all fairness they don't need to embellish those stories . Lets accept some local responsibility and stop shooting the messenger

Maybe people will stop giving out about certain media outlets until they realise that serious crime in Limerick has declined greatly within the past decade to the point where now Dublin and Cork fare off worse in the crime statistics.Yet the media still portray Limerick as some sort of social armageddon!

marienbad

Totally Tropical wrote: »

Maybe people will stop giving out when people realise that serious crime in Limerick has declined greatly within the past decade to the point where now Dublin and Cork fare off worse in the crime statistics.Yet the media still portray Limerick as some sort of social armageddon!

As far I as I am aware we have always been statistically less than Dublin or Cork , even in the worst of times .

But we have ,for our size, been more spectacular or bizarre or downright tragic. If it was on a tv series we would have deemed it realistic. But such stuff is manna to news outlets.

Stop producing it and they will stop reporting it. The problem we are stuck is that it is harder to lose a reputation that to gain one . But it is high time we stopped looking outside for solutions to our problems .