Season 5, Episode 16: Felina

dave1982

Mod Warning: I'll be reviewing this thread tomorrow after I've watched the finale. Anyone requesting or posting streams (after this warning - 10:45pm) will get an infraction.

All bad things come to an end

*****No Spoilers in trailer****

beardedmaster

The strongest part of my will is stopping me from watching this....

skeleton_boy

No spoilers in that trailer. All footage we've seen already.

Chemistry is the study of transformation

Miscme92101

Gripping Finale trailer. How on earth they are going to fit in everything in less than 60 minutes is beyond me though....

NicoleL88

Was trying to work out with a mate what the finale title means.

Anagram of "Finale" is the obvious one.

But...

Fe = Iron
Li = Lithium
Na = Sodium

Blood, Meth, and Tears!

Thought we were total geniuses and were going to post it online, turns out someone on Reddit got there two weeks before us! :pac:

beardedmaster

NicoleL88 wrote: »

Was trying to work out with a mate what the finale title means.

Anagram of "Finale" is the obvious one.

But...

Fe = Iron
Li = Lithium
Na = Sodium

Blood, Meth, and Tears!

Thought we were total geniuses and were going to post it online, turns out someone on Reddit got there two weeks before us! :pac:

Sorry... gotta say this one again...

beardedmaster wrote: »

There is no lithium in meth.
Sodium is in a f*ckton of things, let alone sodium chloride, which is also in a f*ckton of things, let alone tears - more than a bit of a stretch.
As for Iron being in haemoglobin, that's true, but associating "blood" just from iron is also a bit of a stretch.

ballsymchugh

what will we do??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIom3LSbB0I

NicoleL88

beardedmaster wrote: »

Sorry... gotta say this one again...

A quick google... "Lithium metal is the most commonly used reactive metal in the clandestine manufacture of methamphetamine using the anhydrous ammonia method of production."

In relation to bodily fluids, most people hear iron: they think blood. They hear salt: they think tears.

Just because each element doesn't perfectly fit each word doesn't mean that it's so big of a stretch.

What do you think Felina means?

Timmyctc

beardedmaster wrote: »

Sorry... gotta say this one again...

ACTUALLY. I was reading more on this and apparently the 'Nazi' method of Meth production involves the use of lithium batteries so not entirely out of the question that the aforementioned interpretation is indeed the correct one, especially given the old Nazi gang we have all beatin' on our ickle Jesse.

Agree that the sodium one is a bit of a stretch, but still, only a bit.

Linkage Bítch

beardedmaster

Nazi wrote:

After filtering, the reaction byproducts and traces of methamphetamine remain in the filter
papers. Occasionally traces of pseudoephedrine precursor also remain.

Walt's "Blue Sky" is so called because it is (as the name says), blue. It was blue because Walt worked around using pseudoephedrine as a precursor, by using a different chemical pathway. This "Nazi" method uses pseudo - and even the Nazis in this programme are using Walt's method - so I can't see any information gleamed from the "Nazi" method as necessarily pertinent to Walt's proceedings. The name similarity is quite intriguing of course, there's no denying that!

Anyone who goes as far as LC or 1st year college Chemistry knows that Lithium is used as a catalyst in quite a number of reactions, pharmaceutical or otherwise - it's a huge function of the element in Chemistry. Linking it to meth alone is still quite a tenuous link, in my opinion, but my Chemistry wouldn't be of a high enough level to make such a claim definite.

The same goes for sodium, to be honest. Sodium ions are the most prevalent ion in all of the extracellular fluids of the body. It's extremely important in the electrical activity of neurons, for example. NaCl in tears is really just one tiny, tiny thing that sodium does, let alone in its functions in physiology/the human body.

Iron meaning blood... same as above. What makes people assume that it's to do with bodily functions or red blood cells? Guns have iron in them I'm sure?

As for asking me what I think Felina means - I haven't the foggiest! I prefer not to think of what it means and try and figure out the significance upon the watching the episode. Breaking Bad is fantastic for its dual-meaning episode titles.

dave1982

I wonder will Skylar be killed in this episode?

Timmyctc

dave1982 wrote: »

I wonder will Skylar be killed in this episode?

Its sadly too late to be any good now. Stupid bitch.

On the title subject.

While the name is obviously an anagram of Finale. Its the feminine version of 'feline' in Spanish but I also readed this

The title may be a reference to the 1959 song "El Paso" by Western music artist Marty Robbins. The song concerns an unnamed cowboy who falls in love with a woman named "Feleena", commits murder for her, goes into exile for it, and then finally returns for her.

I'd wager they spent about a month coming up with this title the amount of connotations it seems to have.

Samson

Interesting choice of track for the trailer, I wonder is it telling us something?
It's Line Of Fire by Junip.

splashthecash

Maybe it was supposed to be "Finale" and they forgot to run spell check on it :P

And Gilligan and co are all laughing at everyone coming up with these abstract ways to explain the title..

So funny if true (but its not)...but maybe it is

dark crystal

dave1982 wrote: »

I wonder will Skylar be killed in this episode?

I hope not. I don't want Walt Jr. and Holly to become orphans, or even worse, be given to Marie :pac:

vitani

dark crystal wrote: »

I hope not. I don't want Walt Jr. and Holly to become orphans, or even worse, be given to Marie :pac:

I like Marie!

vitani

vitani wrote: »

I like Marie!

One of the few people that do I'd say!

Padraig Mor

I read somewhere - can't remember where - that "Felina" hasn't been officially confirmed as the episode title, and is just based on someone seeing the actress playing Marie with a script with that title.

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

Vince Gilligan's one word preview of next week's episode: "Woodworking. Or is that two words?" Okay, geniuses. Let's get...genius-ing.

dave1982

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »

Vince Gilligan's one word preview of next week's episode: "Woodworking. Or is that two words?" Okay, geniuses. Let's get...genius-ing.

Walter whites a Lumberjack its all a dream it never happened


Just like the other series:rolleyes:

A Primal Nut

Some ideas....I always thought that Walt's family would survive with at least some of the money, and respecting Walt who is dead by then.

I think it will be Jesse who will tell Walt Jr. the truth about Hank's death and Walt's desire to help his family...why I don't know but I'd say there will be some twist! Maybe Walt will save Brock?

ballsymchugh

dave1982 wrote: »

Walter whites a Lumberjack its all a dream it never happened


Just like the other series:rolleyes:

maybe he's going to work with Dexter

in the lumber yard where he ended up after he.. eh.. disappeared in the storm

:pac:

Torqay

Walter is going to kill his family and Marie with the M-60. Then he teams up with Lydia to create the largest and most fearful meth empire the world has ever seen. Trusty old Todd will become his assistant and Uncle Jack will be running the security operations. Heisenberg and the crew will prevail. And since Jesse is so obsessed with ricin, well, he can have it all.

trashcan

Whatever else happen next week I want Todd and his Nazi uncle Jack to meet their end, preferably with as much pain as possible.

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

trashcan wrote: »

Whatever else happen next week I want Todd and his Nazi uncle Jack to meet their end, preferably with as much pain as possible.

Seconded. I really really want a look of pain to be etched into Todd's WASPy face by final fadeout. And one last wisecrack from Jack to be met by a payoff line from Walt and then a bullet in the head. Walt can go out how he sees fit after that and I will salute the evil genius.

Walt Grace

ballsymchugh wrote: »

maybe he's going to work with Dexter

in the lumber yard where he ended up after he.. eh.. disappeared in the storm

:pac:

Can't we keep the Dexter spoilers off this please...haven't watched the final one yet. Prick.

ballsymchugh

Walt Grace wrote: »

Can't we keep the Dexter spoilers off this please...haven't watched the final one yet. Prick.

keep the personal abuse to yourself. it's been out for 2 days.

Walt Grace

ballsymchugh wrote: »

keep the personal abuse to yourself. it's been out for 2 days.

And I've been avoiding the Dexter forum for the past 2 days until I watch it. Last time I checked this was the Breaking Bad forum?!
You're in the wrong here lad.

ballsymchugh

Walt Grace wrote: »

And I've been avoiding the Dexter forum for the past 2 days until I watch it. Last time I checked this was the Breaking Bad forum?!
You're in the wrong here lad.

personal abuse is against the rules of the site.

the spoilers thing has been done to death on other threads. if it's out, it's fair game to talk about it. anyway, dexter hasn't been completely ruined on you. it's still shyte though.

Mr E

ballsymchugh wrote: »

if it's out, it's fair game to talk about it.

Fair game on the Dexter forum. Not everyone watches a TV show the second it comes out (or even a day or two after).

Walt Grace

Mr E wrote: »

Fair game on the Dexter forum. Not everyone watches a TV show the second it comes out (or even a day or two after).

Thank you Mr E. Apologies for the use of the word prick but it just pissed me off seeing that on the BB forum considering it's the last ever episode of the show.

I raised this issue on feedback without a reply and it happens all the time. Any talk of other shows should be spoiler tagged outside their forum imo.

Grimebox

Whats the song playing in that trailer?

Walt Grace

Grimebox wrote: »

Whats the song playing in that trailer?

Line Of Fire - Junip

Madame K

On the finale: I’ll just set this down here and walk away.

I thought about the elements Fe, Li, Na themselves and what they represent. Starting with the two most unstable: sodium and lithium and applying them to the most volatile in all of Heisenberg’s nemesis.

Na for the Aryan Nation. Those guys just don’t give a damn.

Li I thought Lydia (or Lidya if you’re nasty) She had been described by Mike as a loose cannon.

Fe was a difficult one being it is everywhere and stable. However, the color of pure iron is dark gray (or black).
I've my doubts that the Schwartz’s will be targeted. But what if they too are tied into this meth thing?

Yup, it's a stretch. :-) I don't really have any predictions for the felina other than the possibility of a massive headache from the ride I expect it to be.

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

Jesse made a box in his woodworking class...

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »

Vince Gilligan's one word preview of next week's episode: "Woodworking. Or is that two words?" Okay, geniuses. Let's get...genius-ing.

A reference to coffins perhaps?

Haha yeah right, as if Vince Gill. is going to make it that simple! I remember the preview of an episode a few weeks back went something like 'Lydia finds out first hand the intricacies of salmon farming' (not exact words) and I took it as Lydia getting killed in that episode, sleeping with the fishes, that she'd end up buried in a fish farm. How wrong I was, and the preview ended up spelling out quite literally what was an amusing scene from that episode.

So, woodworking? I haven't a clue...:o

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

Jesse told his support group - way back when - that he had to make a box for woodwork class. He rushed it, and the teacher told him to apply himself. He made a beautiful box, varnished it etc. Will Jesse apply himself to another escape attempt? Involving his knowledge of chemistry? But wait. Jesse told the group he gave the box to his mother..."No. I didn't give it to my mom," he says. "I traded it for a bag of weed." During his next cook, which we will see, Jesse will pocket something and bring it back to his hole in the ground. When Todd is next hovering over him, offering him more ice-cream or what have you, and just about to light a cigarette...whoosh! Jesse sets him on fire. The Nazis come runnin'. But Walt's comin' too.

Miscme92101

I think Jesse could kill Lydia and Todd.

Lydia will arrive at the lab to see how her 'product' is getting on. Todd still hasn't pulled her but nevertheless his infatuation for her is as strong as ever, and instead of monitoring Jesse, he only has eyes on her. Jesse realises this and immediately uses his initiative to start making some dodgy chemical mixture, with the aim of knocking out Lydia and Todd. He succeeds and Lydia faints. Todd panics and tries to save Lydia, this is where Jesse tries to escape from that 'crane' he is attached to. He escapes.

But.... as he tries to jump the gates again, the nazi's appear just like they did last episode. Except there is also someone on the other side of the gate. Yup you know it, Walt.

Let the epic showdown commence.....

zl1whqvjs75cdy

I still don't know if I buy the nazi Walt thing. He's a sick old man with little combat experience. The Nazis are a hardened criminal gang who murder for fun and are walled up inside a secure compound and armed to the teeth. If Walt strolls up all guns blazing he'll die in 30 seconds. The show so far has been well grounded in reality (ish). It would not make sense to suddenly have super agent Heisenberg do a James Bond and murder a compound full of goons.

Timmyctc

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I still don't know if I buy the nazi Walt thing. He's a sick old man with little combat experience. The Nazis are a hardened criminal gang who murder for fun and are walled up inside a secure compound and armed to the teeth. If Walt strolls up all guns blazing he'll die in 30 seconds. The show so far has been well grounded in reality (ish). It would not make sense to suddenly have super agent Heisenberg do a James Bond and murder a compound full of goons.

Theres been no suggestion thats whats going to happen yet. They still "respect" Walt and would likely welcome him back to the meth business. I reckon the shootout will occur at Walt's house for some reason though. I also think there'll be another confession by Walt to the camera, this time taking responsibility for everything and taking all the blame from Jesse and Skyler

Peppa Pig

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

If Walt strolls up all guns blazing he'll die in 30 seconds.

It took four or five of them hundreds of bullets to just kill Gomez.

pookiesboo

Really hope Lydia gets whacked, dont understand all the hate for Skylar and Marie though

Nice Botty

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »

Vince Gilligan's one word preview of next week's episode: "Woodworking. Or is that two words?" Okay, geniuses. Let's get...genius-ing.

Reference to Meth Damon getting into Lydia's woodchipper !

NicoleL88

beardedmaster wrote: »

Anyone who goes as far as LC or 1st year college Chemistry knows that Lithium is used as a catalyst in quite a number of reactions, pharmaceutical or otherwise - it's a huge function of the element in Chemistry. Linking it to meth alone is still quite a tenuous link, in my opinion, but my Chemistry wouldn't be of a high enough level to make such a claim definite.

The same goes for sodium, to be honest. Sodium ions are the most prevalent ion in all of the extracellular fluids of the body. It's extremely important in the electrical activity of neurons, for example. NaCl in tears is really just one tiny, tiny thing that sodium does, let alone in its functions in physiology/the human body.

Iron meaning blood... same as above. What makes people assume that it's to do with bodily functions or red blood cells? Guns have iron in them I'm sure?

This information is all well and good but it's an episode title, not an exam. The connections we made (as well as many others) are more than relevant to the theme of the show, especially the finale.

MonkstownHoop

Is it monday yet?

Brendan Filone

No doubt about, in the early hours of next Monday a lot of us are gonna be:

Miscme92101

My new and revised prediction -


The prologue: It will be 15 years back in time, when Walt and The Schwartz were starting up Gray Matter. There will be a disagreement over something and Walt will shake Eliot and Gretchens hands, with the conclusion that Walt feels it is best that he leaves the company and does his own thing. Walt walks out of the building/office, and the last scene of the prologue is The Schwartz putting some 'crucial' folders into a confidential drawer. One of the folders has Walts name on it, and perhaps there is some title such as 'Iconic methods'. This is the research which they stole from Walt.


The Core: Walt makes his way back to New Mexico in a frantic struggle. Lydia arrives at Todd's lab to see her 'product' in action. Jesse is cooking away. Todd still hasn't pulled Lydia yet and is therefore still as infatuated with her as ever. Too busy focusing on Lydia, he forgets to monitor Jesse. Let's not forget that despite Todd's chilling and sociopathic ways, he is quite aloof, evident in how he believed Jesse when he told him he wanted the cover off 'to look at the stars'. Jesse realises this and uses his initiative. He starts mixing chemicals together to make some poisonous gas - just like Walt did to knock out Krazy8 and his partner back in season one. Todd realises the carnage, but Lydia collapses to the ground before he can do anything. He tries to save her and while doing so Jesse somehow escapes from the crane he is attached to. Todd eventually passes out as well. Boom, they're both dead. That's Lydia and Todd out of the equation.

Jesse runs in a panic, attempting to jump the gate again. But nope, the nazi's appear again. However, there is someone on the other side of the gate. Yup, you guessed it..... Walt. He got his machine gun, he visited his house and got the ricin, and now he is coming for the nazis. He knows where they live due to being at their place when he made the promise to teach Todd how to cook meth in return for them killing Jesse. So the gunfire commences. It will be a struggle, but needless to say the Nazi's all get killed off by Walt. So here it is, the final showdown between Jesse and Walt. I predict a dialogue which will last over five minutes, where Jesse (who is unarmed) is caught between two minds of negotiating with Walt for his life and yelling 'Just kill me already'. As much as I hate to say it, I think Walt will pull the trigger. That's Jesse gone.


The ending: I can't think of how this exactly how this will be done, but Walt will find Eliot and Gretchen's whereabouts and somehow give them the ricin. I would say something as simply sneaking into the house while they make dinner and putting it in some pot, then appearing in front of them as they eat through the dinner and consume it. He will taunt them like mad and watch them die right in front of him. Walt will leave, and try to find his family one last time. In doing so he will get caught by the DEA/Police. Skyler will appear one last time, to inform Walt that holly is now in foster care, and that Walt Jr is in custody for something major - perhaps being caught robbing a store while high on meth or heroin. The last scene will be a poster somewhere saying 'chemistry, the study of change'.

Cork boy 55

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

Is it monday yet?

six more sleeps

Chet T16

Walts knows where Jack etc are, he went there when doing the deal to get Jesse killed. I've seen it mentioned a few times that he doesn't know where they are

Miscme92101

Chet T16 wrote: »

Walts knows where Jack etc are, he went there when doing the deal to get Jesse killed. I've seen it mentioned a few times that he doesn't know where they are

Yup you're right, forgot about that. My theory makes even more sense now :cool: