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Cian Healy cited for biting

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    #212
    trouttrout
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Bit rich...

    Not rich at all. We know Sheehan said he was bit on the field, we now also know that is not true.

    Anyway, we'll see you again next time something negative happens in Irish Rugby, hard luck this time


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    #213
    Chucky the tree
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Not rich at all. We know Sheehan said he was bit on the field, we now also know that is not true.

    Anyway, we'll see you again next time something negative happens in Irish Rugby, hard luck this time



    But we don't. :confused: If that was my agenda I'd be posting here a lot more often.


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    #214
    Synode
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    But we don't. :confused:

    Yes we do, Healy was cleared. And in the video, as far as I'm concerned Sheehan was first pushing his hand towards Healy's mouth, then his arm. It looks far too like a set-up to me.


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    #215
    Tox56
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    But we don't. :confused: If that was my agenda I'd be posting here a lot more often.

    Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine


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    #216
    irishbucsfan
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    Buer wrote: »
    There was no bite mark on Sheahan's skin as per the ruling. An arm coming in contact with teeth and being bitten are two very different things. If you are bitten, you know all about it and have the marks to prove it. In the heat of the moment, I can understand how he may have thought it but I'm sure he knows himself when there was no bite mark on reflection. Once it's brought to attention, it was going to be cited. There's no report of Sheahan joining via video conference or attempting to put balance on the situation as part of the hearing though.

    The hearing did NOT rule there was no bite mark. The QC ruled there was no serious bite mark that would be worse than normal. He never said there was no bite mark. Also I heard Sheahan gave his report to the citing officer?

    There doesn't have to be a villain in every piece.


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    #217
    trouttrout
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    But we don't. :confused:If that was my agenda I'd be posting here a lot more often.

    First time I've seen someone deny and yet confirm something in one sentence

    And yes, we do know Healy didn't bite Sheehan


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    #218
    [Jackass]
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    I just hope no one you know is ever falsely accused of a terrible crime chucky!!

    The question isn't if the players hand / fingers came near, or even got in to Healys mouth, the question is did Healy at any point intentionally bite a player, and based on all the evidence (which we're not entirely privy to) and the legal opinion of those considering it, he was cleared of all charges. I think it's a bit much to deny that just to defend a very silly comment made in the first place.


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    #219
    Buer
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    The hearing did NOT rule there was no bite mark. The QC ruled there was no serious bite mark that would be worse than normal. He never said there was no bite mark. Also I heard Sheahan gave his report to the citing officer?

    There doesn't have to be a villain in every piece.

    He gave his report to both. The citing commissioner requested that he provide a second report to his union.

    The governing member of the disciplinary committee said upon ruling: "It was not possible to distinguish any discernible bite marks outside of the 'regular' marks usually found following a rugby match."

    To me, that says no bite mark.

    I'm not saying he's a villain of the piece but I do think he comes off poorly from the situation.


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    #220
    ScissorPaperRock
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    The hearing did NOT rule there was no bite mark. The QC ruled there was no serious bite mark that would be worse than normal. He never said there was no bite mark. Also I heard Sheahan gave his report to the citing officer?

    There doesn't have to be a villain in every piece.

    Do you have a link for that? This is the quote I read, from the judicial officer

    “There is no conclusive video evidence of the incident and post-match it was not possible to distinguish any discernible bite marks outside of the regular marks usually found following a rugby match,”

    To me that says there were no bite marks. I don't think bite marks would be considered a regular mark.

    Edit: Beaten to it!


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    #221
    irishbucsfan
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    Well to me it says there was no serious bite marks. As in a clear bite mark rather than one which just recedes back to a red welt like most knocks you get on the field.

    I'm certain Healy didn't bite him. But there was nothing out of that hearing that condemned Sheahan as a liar.


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    #222
    ScissorPaperRock
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Well to me it says there was no serious bite marks. As in a clear bite mark rather than one which just recedes back to a red welt like most knocks you get on the field.

    I'm certain Healy didn't bite him. But there was nothing out of that hearing that condemned Sheahan as a liar.

    I dunno about that. I don't think there is an acceptable level of biting. I think it means that among the regular marks found after a rugby match, there was nothing that could be discerned as a bite mark.

    There wasn't anything that condemned him as a liar, but there wasn't anything that supported his case either.


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    #223
    jacothelad
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    If he did it then of course I did. I don't suffer from green eyes like yourself.

    Is that what your guide dog is for.....:D Au revoir.


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    #224
    Chucky the tree
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    Synode wrote: »
    Yes we do, Healy was cleared. And in the video, as far as I'm concerned Sheehan was first pushing his hand towards Healy's mouth, then his arm. It looks far too like a set-up to me.
    trouttrout wrote: »
    First time I've seen someone deny and yet confirm something in one sentence

    And yes, we do know Healy didn't bite Sheehan


    Being cleared doesn't mean he didn't do it. You can commit a crime and be found not guilty.

    [Jackass] wrote: »
    I just hope no one you know is ever falsely accused of a terrible crime chucky!!

    The question isn't if the players hand / fingers came near, or even got in to Healys mouth, the question is did Healy at any point intentionally bite a player, and based on all the evidence (which we're not entirely privy to) and the legal opinion of those considering it, he was cleared of all charges. I think it's a bit much to deny that just to defend a very silly comment made in the first place.



    I know he was cleared off all charges, so was OJ Simpson. I don't think he was innocent though.


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    #225
    trouttrout
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Being cleared doesn't mean he didn't do it. You can commit a crime and be found not guilty.






    I know he was cleared off all charges, so was OJ Simpson. I don't think he was innocent though.

    Oh jesus, comparing Cian Healy to OJ Simpson :D


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    #226
    sydthebeat
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Being cleared doesn't mean he didn't do it. You can commit a crime and be found not guilty.






    I know he was cleared off all charges, so was OJ Simpson. I don't think he was innocent though.

    i think its time you let this go.......


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    #227
    Synode
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Being cleared doesn't mean he didn't do it. You can commit a crime and be found not guilty.






    I know he was cleared off all charges, so was OJ Simpson. I don't think he was innocent though.

    So you think he did it? Even though he has been cleared. On what basis?


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    #228
    Eoin
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Being cleared doesn't mean he didn't do it. You can commit a crime and be found not guilty.

    I know he was cleared off all charges, so was OJ Simpson. I don't think he was innocent though.

    OK, so ignoring your really stupid comparison, what makes you believe that they just didn't find enough evidence?

    The video I saw shows Sheehan appearing to shove his fingers in Healy's mouth (which is not the basis of the complaint), and then following it up with a forearm to the mouth where it's likely that his arm came in contact with Healy's teeth / gumshield unless Healy happened to have his mouth closed at the time.

    Is this different to your interpretation?


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    #229
    alphamule
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Being cleared doesn't mean he didn't do it. You can commit a crime and be found not guilty.






    I know he was cleared off all charges, so was OJ Simpson. I don't think he was innocent though.

    Did Cian Healy do something on you?? You are bordering the weird at this stage!


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    #230
    Chucky the tree
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Oh jesus, comparing Cian Healy to OJ Simpson :D


    Ugh, I wasn't comparing them. I thought that would have been obvious.

    Synode wrote: »
    So you think he did it? Even though he has been cleared. On what basis?


    I never said I think he did it. It's hard to know really. I certainly don't think Sheahan just completely made it up like others have claimed. I think their was a lack of evidence that made it impossible for them to ban him and they made the right decision.


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    #231
    sydthebeat
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    I never said I think he did it. It's hard to know really. I certainly don't think Sheahan just completely made it up like others have claimed. I think their was a lack of evidence that made it impossible for them to ban him and they made the right decision.

    you claim that based on no evidence at all....

    yet you claim healy may still have bitten him but was cleared due to lack of evidence???

    strange strange strange.....


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    #232
    Chucky the tree
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    you claim that based on no evidence at all....

    yet you claim healy may still have bitten him but was cleared due to lack of evidence???

    strange strange strange.....



    As far as I know Sheahan doesn't have history of making up stories. Healy does have a history of lashing out and losing his temper.


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    #233
    trouttrout
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    As far as I know Sheahan doesn't have history of making up stories. Healy does have a history of lashing out and losing his temper.

    Please inform us of this "history" ...


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    #234
    sydthebeat
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    As far as I know Sheahan doesn't have history of making up stories. Healy does have a history of lashing out and losing his temper.

    right well, thats that then, you havent a clue......


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    #235
    Chucky the tree
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Please inform us of this "history" ...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teqizuet-ck


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    #236
    hsbc
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    As far as I know Sheahan doesn't have history of making up stories. Healy does have a history of lashing out and losing his temper.

    Let it go man - he was found not guilty.

    Move on...


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    #237
    Chucky the tree
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    hsbc wrote: »
    Let it go man - he was found not guilty.

    Move on...


    I'm more than happy too. But generally when people ask me questions I feel it's only fair to reply to them.


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    #238
    trouttrout
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teqizuet-ck

    So one regrettable incident in an otherwise impeccable career discipline wise. Some history alright

    You haven't a bogs notion


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    #239
    Chucky the tree
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    So one regrettable incident in an otherwise impeccable career discipline wise. Some history alright

    You haven't a bogs notion


    So you agree he has a history. Thanks for clearing that up. :rolleyes:


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    #240
    melekalikimaka
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    I think Chucky is looking for an argument


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    #241
    sydthebeat
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    hes been handed enough rope..........


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