Cian Healy cited for biting

Tobyglen

Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.


http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/healy-cited-for-an-alleged-biting-incident-1.1418039

thomond2006

A general question, if Healy is given a suspension will it run during his expected period of injury or will it be postdated (for want of a better word!) ?

Tox56

thomond2006 wrote: »

A general question, if Healy is given a suspension will it run during his expected period of injury or will it be postdated (for want of a better word!) ?

How would that work? Leinster say he's fit to play a few weeks before he actually is? Would be interesting but of course I hope it isn't true

Chucky the tree

He's done. He can ring Dylan Hartley and ask for advice on how to deal with it.

thomond2006

Tox56 wrote: »

How would that work? Leinster say he's fit to play a few weeks before he actually is? Would be interesting but of course I hope it isn't true

I don't know.

But this happened before when someone in the Aviva Prem got banned while picking up an injury in the same game.

lologram

thomond2006 wrote: »

A general question, if Healy is given a suspension will it run during his expected period of injury or will it be postdated (for want of a better word!) ?

The ban has to be independent of any injury a player is carrying. Whether the player is injured or not during the time they're banned from playing has to be irrelevant in the judicial process. It wouldn't make sense to have it any other way. It wouldn't get very far past any player's lawyers to announce that they're guilty and have to serve a 6 week ban but it will be from some point in the future when they're in good condition. That's discriminatory.

Buer

thomond2006 wrote: »

A general question, if Healy is given a suspension will it run during his expected period of injury or will it be postdated (for want of a better word!) ?

I think they'll have to have it run instantaneously given they won't know the extent of his injury for another day or two.

In relation to the incident, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Healy at the moment. No footage I've viewed shows any biting. The accuser is on the record as saying he was going to try a few things to get under the skin of the Lions and get a reaction. In the only still image I've seen, his hand is placed down across Healy's face at a ruck. Why is his hand there? Healy's reaction straight away suggests he felt that Sheahan had tried to shove his hand into Healy's mouth.

If there's an angle or footage that shows Healy taking a bite at him, then, yes, ban him for the rest of the tour and deservedly.

I also believe the hearing will be in Brisbane so Sheahan won't be there to provide evidence. Hopefully that works for Healy although who knows what he said in his statement to the citing commissioner straight afterwards.

Busted Flat.

They should have brought some horse burgers with them, to prevent incidents like this.

Grimebox

Easy, just get the same citation commissioner that sorted POC out

Chucky the tree

Buer wrote: »

I think they'll have to have it run instantaneously given they won't know the extent of his injury for another day or two.

In relation to the incident, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Healy at the moment. No footage I've viewed shows any biting. The accuser is on the record as saying he was going to try a few things to get under the skin of the Lions and get a reaction. In the only still image I've seen, his hand is placed down across Healy's face at a ruck. Why is his hand there? Healy's reaction straight away suggests he felt that Sheahan had tried to shove his hand into Healy's mouth.

If there's an angle or footage that shows Healy taking a bite at him, then, yes, ban him for the rest of the tour and deservedly.

I also believe the hearing will be in Brisbane so Sheahan won't be there to provide evidence. Hopefully that works for Healy although who knows what he said in his statement to the citing commissioner straight afterwards.

Doesn't make a differencee if Healy did bite him. I'd say there is decent evidence of bit marks on Sheahan.

Dub13

Busted Flat. wrote: »

They should have brought some horse burgers with them, to prevent incidents like this.

A footballer does this and there is outrage. Barly got a mention on the news here.

vkid

personally speaking, if he did bite someone, it is a particularly scummy thing to do.
He should get a very long ban if true and would have no sympathy for him,.

jamiedav2011

Dub13 wrote: »

A footballer does this and there is outrage. Barly got a mention on the news here.

What utter crap.

You do know he's been 'cited', not found guilty?

Unless you have some Suarez esque footage of Healy up your sleeve? :rolleyes:

Is this your first post on the rugby forum by the way?

Pretty bad when a 'mod' is acting the seagull.

Dub13

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

What utter crap.

You do know he's been 'cited', not found guilty?

Unless you have some Suarez esque footage of Healy up your sleeve? :rolleyes:

Is this your first post on the rugby forum by the way?

Pretty bad when a 'mod' is acting the seagull.

First I am not a mod here. Yes I know he has only been cited and maybe this is not the correct place to bring this up but bitting has happened before in rugby and it does not seem to get the same press as the Suarez incident.

jamiedav2011

Dub13 wrote: »

First I am not a mod here. Yes I know he has only been cited and maybe this is not the correct place to bring this up but bitting has happened before in rugby and it does not seem to get the same press as the Suarez incident.

You're not a mod here indeed, but perhaps you should know better?
And you're right, it isn't the right place to be bringing up your gripes about how rugby is perceived compared to soccer.

You're taking an incident which hasn't been proven yet as a reason to bring up a personal gripe about a sport. Is this your first post on the forum? As I say, acting the seagull.

Buer

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Doesn't make a differencee if Healy did bite him. I'd say there is decent evidence of bit marks on Sheahan.

Well, yes, that would mean he bit him.

There have been incidents of players shoving their hands into opposition players mouths though.

Dub13

Dub13 wrote: »

A footballer does this and there is outrage. Barly got a mention on the news here.

That is because so far there is little substantiation and it would be out of character. To be honest, that is a pretty stupid comment, don't know where you are coming from because the most recent incident of a soccer player biting was backed up with a lot of video evidence on top of an individual with plenty of prior's.

Really daft comment, deserving of a Ban imo.

RoundBox11

Dub13 wrote: »

First I am not a mod here. Yes I know he has only been cited and maybe this is not the correct place to bring this up but bitting has happened before in rugby and it does not seem to get the same press as the Suarez incident.

Well even if Healy did bite him (which i highly doubt he'd be stupid enough to do), theres a difference between doing what Suarez did and somebody sticking their fingers into healys mouth while on top of him.

Context is a great thing.

Buer

Dub13 wrote: »

First I am not a mod here. Yes I know he has only been cited and maybe this is not the correct place to bring this up but bitting has happened before in rugby and it does not seem to get the same press as the Suarez incident.

You can't honestly think that this incident would get the same coverage as a game in the UK, where half of our available TV and media is based that occurred in what is vastly the most popular sport in the world?

It's like complaining that the presidential election in Norway didn't get as much coverage as the presidential election in the U.S.

Dub13

Ok, so if he is found guilty tomorrow we should expect the same kind of outrage. Thats the point I am making.

durkadurka

Uh huh.

Tox56

Dub13 wrote: »

Ok, so if he is found guilty tomorrow we should explicit the same kind of outrage. Thats the point I am making.

Eh ok?

Burgo

What the hell are you on about.

Buer

Dub13 wrote: »

Ok, so if he is found guilty tomorrow we should explicit the same kind of outrage. Thats the point I am making.

And there will be but not to the same level of coverage for aforementioned reasons.

Dub13

Point take that my point may be early, I just seen this on the main page and noticed a distinct lack of the media wanting to run with this story.

Dave_The_Sheep

I'm sure we'll be told to stop discussing this comparison shortly, but I suspect that the reason there's a lot more coverage and outrage is that soccer is a lot more popular - in general - across the world than rugby. Far more people watch it. Therefore when something happens there (in soccer), it's more of a story, since it's relevant to more people - it also attracts more media hype because of this, and the amounts of money involved. Soccer, generally, is more sensationalist and events/reactions are bigger across the board simply due to the numbers of people interested.

But anyways, is there a clip of the alleged incident, to bring us back on topic? Didn't see it live.

Dub13

Dub13 wrote: »

Ok, so if he is found guilty tomorrow we should expect the same kind of outrage. Thats the point I am making.

Well. Yes?

Maybe not on the same level because Rugby's populatiry doesn't spread as far but it would destroy his reputation and rightly so.

What point are you attempting to make?

Do you just not like Rugby, or Rugby supporters?

This is baffling.

jamiedav2011

Dub13 wrote: »

Point take that my point may be early, I just seen this on the main page and noticed a distinct lack of the media wanting to run with this story.

Why do you even care? Is it perhaps because you're a Liverpool fan and have a bee in your bonnet over the Suarez incident? Will a level of 'media outrage' similar to Suarez incident appease you like?!

Childish stuff tbh. Maybe we should take the advice of the soccer forum and have a post limit.

totallegend

Just watched it back, absolutely nothing in it. Looks like the Aussie dude shoved his hand in Healy's mouth. Why, I have no idea.

Tox56

Dub13 wrote: »

Point take that my point may be early, I just seen this on the main page and noticed a distinct lack of the media wanting to run with this story.

It's on the front page of the BBC Sport website and has been for several hours, what more do you want? The Suarez incident was clear for all to see and happened in the most popular sport in the world to one of the sports most notorious players. This happened at the bottom of a ruck with little to no footage in a relatively low key game in a substantially less popular sport, and absolutely nothing has yet been proven, the incidents aren't remotely alike.

errlloyd

Sheehan admitted at half time it may have been accidental!! Can't have been that hard if he was willing to admit that.

I'd say Sheehan just got too close to Healy's mouth.

uRbaN

Its far from ideal...immedaitely on Twitter people were posting footage of him stamping on Dan Coles leg in the 6N. George Hook also made a stupid comment implying Healy was already found to be guilty.

There is no room in the game for this at all...but I really hope nothing comes of this tomorrow and we can move on . A lot of the home nations push their own agenda around the Lions...its a chance for former players & current pundits to make a few quid....I hate the buildup matches...they become a feeding frenzy of idle speculation.

Tobyglen

Dub13 wrote: »

First I am not a mod here. Yes I know he has only been cited and maybe this is not the correct place to bring this up but bitting has happened before in rugby and it does not seem to get the same press as the Suarez incident.

Now I know the level of intelligence needed to become a moderator. I think I'll pass.

mod note: banned.

Chucky the tree

The contrasting attitudes to Healys biting Sheahan compared to Hartley on Best is comical.

Buer

errlloyd wrote: »

Sheehan admitted at half time it may have been accidental!! Can't have been that hard if he was willing to admit that.

I'd say Sheehan just got too close to Healy's mouth.

Admitted it could be accidental and then made a statement at full time to the citing commissioner...

NoelJ

Dub13 wrote: »

Point take that my point may be early, I just seen this on the main page and noticed a distinct lack of the media wanting to run with this story.

I think the main difference is Rugby fans expect the citing committee to make the correct call how Football the FA usually only make the call based upon media coverage.

The actual physical element of rugby also means that incidents like this aren't made into such a big deal and then the popularity of football means everything

19543261

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The contrasting attitudes to Healys biting Sheahan compared to Hartley on Best is comical.

...

Wow. Seriously?

EmacB

Video of the incident: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Lions-Healy-in-bite-controversy/tabid/317/articleID/300417/Default.aspx

"I don't know if it was an accident or on purpose," - Sheehan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22784626 .

Force coach Michael Foley played down the biting allegation, which clouded the Lions' first game in Australia.

"It's been left on the field," he said.

"It was dealt with by the referee at the time."

http://planetrugby.com/lions/story/0,25883,16024_8758937,00.html

From all the above I'm hopefull that Healy wont be found guilty. I cant see Healy biting in the video but its still inconclusive. It shows Sheehen is the one putting his hand towards Healy's face, so it's not like he leaned over and took a bite. Furthermore Healy's head is pushed down by another Western Force player. From all that it seems If contact was made between Healys teeth and Sheehan's hand it could easily have been totally accidental.

Kayless

I can't see this going anywhere because

A. The player who's claiming to have been bitten publicly stated before the match that he intended to make a nuisance of himself
B. During half time he stated that he never knew if there was any malice (adding further doubt as to the legitimacy of his claim)
C. Healy doesn't have that bad a record, ok he did stamp on Dan Cole but apart from that he's never really been in trouble (you would almost believe Sheehan if he had accused someone like Hartley but Healy is not that type of player)
D. From what I can see (and the TMO for that matter) the video footage is inconclusive, so if they can't prove Healy did bite him I don't see how they could ban him

Also on the positive side I think Healy could do with a rest (that is if he does get sent home with his injury) he's been playing no stop now for the best part of 3 seasons and fair play to him, it's just really unfortunate that he will miss the tests.

CatFromHue

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The contrasting attitudes to Healys biting Sheahan compared to Hartley on Best is comical.

Have you got as clear footage as the Hartley-Best thing for Healy-Sheehan?

Being cited doesn't mean your guilty (are you listening Rob Penny :pac: ).

bamboozle

Watched it several times, nothing in it, if anything Sheehan had been involved in a tangle for no reason a few minutes previously with Murray, he was looking for trouble, Healy was carrying the ball in contact with three players hanging off him...

Any word on his injury?

Aidric

[Deleted User] wrote: »

it would be out of character.

Healy is no angel.

Buer

It all hinges on medical evidence. If there was a bite, there will be a medical report and photos of any bite marks. If there are none, then it's highly dubious that anything happened and there should be no ban.

If there is, throw the book.

It's now 7.20am in Brisbane. We should know the outcome when we wake up.

CatFromHue

There was little to no footage of Hartley's bite on Ferris so who knows what will happen here.

Profiler

Aidric wrote: »

Healy is no angel.

Healy is abrasive but he is not dirty.

Him biting anyone is out of character

Swan Curry

CatFromHue wrote: »

There was little to no footage of Hartley's bite on Ferris so who knows what will happen here.

I'm pretty sure they had footage from other cameras and stills for that incident.There seems to be only one picture of this incident and it shows Healy as being innocent.

durkadurka

Ferris showed the bite mark to the ref.

In the clip I see him putting his hand in Healys mouth. In know what I'd do if someone did that to me.

Buer

CatFromHue wrote: »

There was little to no footage of Hartley's bite on Ferris so who knows what will happen here.

No but in that instance Ferris went to the referee and there were clear bite marks on his finger. Eanna Falvey then had to give medical attention to Ferris on the field. I recall Owens took the captains aside and told them he had identified bite marks on Ferris but did not see the incident.

If there's similar here, then it's a fairly simple case. I'm not sure there is though.

Howjoe1

Profiler wrote: »

Healy is abrasive but he is not dirty.

Him biting anyone is out of character

did he get a ban for stamping in the 6Ns recently?

Chucky the tree

CatFromHue wrote: »

Have you got as clear footage as the Hartley-Best thing for Healy-Sheehan?

Being cited doesn't mean your guilty (are you listening Rob Penny :pac: ).

There wasn't clear footage though. Also Hartley claimed Best stuck his finger in there. People hear are almost saying that if Sheahan did that and Healy bite him then it's not Healys fault.

Howjoe1 wrote: »

did he get a ban for stamping in the 6Ns recently?

That was also out of character.


:pac:

vkid

Buer wrote: »

It all hinges on medical evidence. If there was a bite, there will be a medical report and photos of any bite marks. If there are none, then it's highly dubious that anything happened and there should be no ban.

If there is, throw the book.

It's now 7.20am in Brisbane. We should know the outcome when we wake up.

surely ithey would have checked him medically..ie for bite marks before healy was cited?