Knackers trying to scare people by shouting in faces.

Wattle

To protect future generations we should have a three strikes and you're out system. Three scumbaggery offences and you automatically get sterilsed.

previous user

Someone should develop an app 'spot a scum bag' with different levels of annoying scum!

Level 1 could be just annoying scanger kids mucking about up to level 5 Junkie baastad scum. Each phone app user could warn other users on a map warning them that theres a rat faced fuker wearing a tracksuit in the locality.

kylith

I've lived in Dublin for more than a decade and have yet to be mugged or assaulted. I've gotten yelled at in the street, but ignoring the little scrotes usually works for that (like any bully, if they don't get a reaction they get bored). I don't avoid any areas of the city during the day. I've never been harassed on O'Connell St or Parnell St.

I disagree with the idea that Dublin is somehow worse than just about any other city in the world; in Newcastle my friends and I were chased by chain-wielding 6 year olds, for example.

In fact, the only place I've felt safe walking around by myself is Japan, and that's because the criminals would say "Excuse me, please. Can I rob you, if it's not too much trouble?" and would then give you a note for your boss to explain why you were late for work.

IrishExpat

Another 'scumbag' thread ...

Look, I've been posting a while and lurking for the best part of a year before that, and scarcely a week goes by without a similar story or general outrage (usually centered in the Dublin area).

Yes there is anti-social behaviour, some they do for peer recognition, or it's down to drugs, lack of hugs, or simply not knowing how to function in civilized society.

I've been a victim of it before (Dublin LUAS ticket machine muppetry) and I now know that a smile, silence and walking on works wonders - if they're looking for a reaction ... but that only works up to a point.

I've been in other countries around Europe and have seen a somewhat novel approach in action.

A quick example: Budapest city center, daylight and a group of 5 (maybe 18-20's) are blocking up a street and hassling walkers by, shouting and pushing (exact same behaviour as home, just Hungarian). I'm sitting outside having a coffee with a former gf. Someone obviously took offence and made a call as another group of older men soon arrive on the scene and wasted no time (or talk) in beating the 'scumbags' and escorting them off the main street.

Result: street is clear for the common citizen and no bleeding-heart liberals shouting for their arrest nor overly concerned about those 'poor, disadvantaged, damaged' people.

The gardaí here are obviously under-funded and can't be everywhere. And when they are, unfortunately they're too restricted in who they can arrest, knowing it'll come to nothing.

I'm not promoting vigilante behaviour ... well maybe I am, but after seeing it in action, it's worth considering - when reason or threat of law doesn't deter them.

Then there's boards.ie

KTRIC

kylith wrote: »

In fact, the only place I've felt safe walking around by myself is Japan, and that's because the criminals would say "Excuse me, please. Can I rob you, if it's not too much trouble?" and would then give you a note for your boss to explain why you were late for work.

Awww, isn't that nice. No harm in having a bit of manners is there

jimgoose

I am utterly shocked, by the way, that no-one has yet pointed out that this thread would have been a lot funnier if it had just one little typo in the title, specifically another "e" in the word "faces".

Birneybau

candy-gal1 wrote: »

On a lighter note, just noticed this, keep reading the thread title in my head as

Knackers trying to scare people by shouting in faeces.

jimgoose wrote: »

I am utterly shocked, by the way, that no-one has yet pointed out that this thread would have been a lot funnier if it had just one little typo in the title, specifically another "e" in the word "faces".

You mean, like this? As posted yesterday

jimgoose

Birneybau wrote: »

You mean, like this? As posted yesterday

Yes. Yes I do. I am like, sooo embarrassed.

kylith

KTRIC wrote: »

Awww, isn't that nice. No harm in having a bit of manners is there

I just cannot picture then doing anything impolite, not even murderers "Please hold still while I stab you, so that this can be carried out with maximum efficiency" "I'm terribly sorry, Murderer-san, I will try not to squirm so much. Oh dear, I appear to have bent your knife a bit. Please accept my most humble apologies, I have brought shame to my ancestors".

keelanj69

kylith wrote: »

I just cannot picture then doing anything impolite, not even murderers "Please hold still while I stab you, so that this can be carried out with maximum efficiency" "I'm terribly sorry, Murderer-san, I will try not to squirm so much. Oh dear, I appear to have bent your knife a bit. Please accept my most humble apologies, I have brought shame to my ancestors".

Racist!.. I think.. I'm not sure anymore..

kylith

keelanj69 wrote: »

Racist!.. I think.. I'm not sure anymore..

Am I still a racist if I really like Japanese people, culture, and food, and if I think they're lovely?

keelanj69

kylith wrote: »

Am I still a racist if I really like Japanese people, culture, and food, and if I think they're lovely?

Are we talking real life racist, or AH racist?

Seachmall

kylith wrote: »

Am I still a racist if I really like Japanese people, culture, and food, and if I think they're lovely?

Not all Japanese people are lovely, stop generalising them you racist.

Festy

The Japanese,a great bunch of lads.

jimgoose

kylith wrote: »

Am I still a racist if I really like Japanese people, culture, and food, and if I think they're lovely?

Only if you keep one as a pet.

steddyeddy

NS77 wrote: »

So does that mean we should put up with what goes on?

Or should we strive to be able to say: "Dublin is much better than most other capital cities in Europe".

It's time for high civic standards in this country!

Where did I say that? I was just disagreeing with the posters who say Dublin is one of the worst.

SimonTemplar

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

Yes, that incident was 'just' a kick up the arse but if he got away with it, he would see that there were no consequences to his actions. This could lead to escalation and he might replace this relatively minor action in his pre-teen years with mugging with a knife in his teens.

BTW I'm not condoning the trowl incident, only that the child needed to be taught that there are consequences to his action.

dj jarvis

NS77 wrote: »

So does that mean we should put up with what goes on?

Or should we strive to be able to say: "Dublin is much better than most other capital cities in Europe".

It's time for high civic standards in this country!

yea , laudable ideal , but you are forgetting the people who cause these problems would not know what a civic standard is, let alone have one

every country has it under class with poor education , drug problems and anti social behavior

and in fairness the majority of the population have high civic standards,
so i would love to hear your solution to tackle these people

and firing them out to sea from a giant cannon is not a valid option :eek:

The King of Moo

previous user wrote: »

Someone should develop an app 'spot a scum bag' with different levels of annoying scum!

Level 1 could be just annoying scanger kids mucking about up to level 5 Junkie baastad scum. Each phone app user could warn other users on a map warning them that theres a rat faced fuker wearing a tracksuit in the locality.

We could also have a "spot a snob" app (catchier name) so you could avoid people looking down their nose at you because of your clothes and visible effects of malnutrition in your face.

SimonTemplar

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Yes, that incident was 'just' a kick up the arse but if he got away with it, he would see that there were no consequences to his actions. This could lead to escalation and he might replace this relatively minor action in his pre-teen years with mugging with a knife in his teens.

BTW I'm not condoning the trowl incident, only that the child needed to be taught that there are consequences to his action.

Exactly. Kicking someone up the arse shows a total lack of respect for other people. Doing nothing and laughing it off as 'kids will be kids' only serves to reinforce the idea that the little scrotes can go around doing whatever they want and face no consequences.

keelanj69 wrote: »

Racist!.. I think.. I'm not sure anymore..

Totally misguided, more like.

Sir Oxman

mikeym wrote: »

Dont blame those people blame their parents who didnt raise them well.

Yes, and that includes the yobs not from the 'heeyor' and 'howiya' backgrounds.
I see and hear quite a lot of that type mouthing and annoying people around the city.

I agree with posters who say the low-level scumbaggery witnessed in Dublin seems to be tolerated by the authorities way more than most other cities.

Zero tolerance should be employed to anti-social behaviour. Fullstop.
It is majorly down to neglect by the state in providing effective law and order forces in the city and effective deterrents.
Indeed, even the smallest of backwater towns in this country have similar problems.
There will always be rotten parents, no matter where they live or how much or little money they have.

PS the bit of sun + drink brings the worst out of the mouths and assholes in Ireland.

PPS I haven't been the victim of any abuse or violence in 46 years living in Dublin City (currently 15min walk from town) but then I look like a fcking lunatic. And I'm a big bastard.

StinkyMunkey

Happened a girl i worked with a couple of years back, some twat jumped in front of her and screamed in her face, she punched him full force in the face (it was her first reaction). His mates pissed themselves laughing.

I nearly pissed myself laughing when she told me. Karma is a beautiful thing .

SHOVELLER

The thread is about the scum who populate our capital city. All very well having comparisons with other capital cities but it is our own that troubles me.

(Ok if we have to compare try Amsterdam. Genuinely scary place with dealers on every corner in one infamous part of the city.)

Anyway I consider myself somewhat normal but I would have no problem offering the sub species €100 to get sterilised. It is a short term solution maybe but it is a start.

conorhal

I've recounted this story on similar threads before. A while back a group of about five travellers aged between 12 and 14 got on my Luas, they went the length of the carriage abusing people and acting the eejit and then started throwing slices of bread balled up into dough at an elderly couple, then turning around and saying 'It wan't me boss' and laughing.
I snatched the sliced pan off their ringleader, who instantly pops up to his full height and drops his jacket to the floor, demanding to fight me. I just stood up, eyeballed him for a minute and walked away. The vile abuse that was heaped on me, until I just got off at the next stop, actually left me shaking, when I was 13 or 14 it would never have occured to me to threaten or abuse an adult or elderly person in that manner. I had to get of the Luas at Blackhorse where I fed the remainder of the bread to the swans until I calmed down.

What pissed me off the most about that event was not the little scrotes behaviour, I expect scrotes to act like scrotes, it was the fact that nobody else was prepared to stand up to that behaviour, and when I did (in defense of an elderly couple being humiliated by a bunch of kids), a good 25 or 30 other healthy, strapping young male passengers on that Luas all either gawped on or found something really facinating to watch out the window. Needless to say I felt pretty vunerable and alone on a Luas full of passengers.

These were not some gang of dangerous thugs, they were scumbag kids, hardly beyond challenge or reproach, but nobody stood up to them or chose to back me up when I did.
I'd urge people when they see situations like that developing to stand up. If you don't do it, who's going to do it for you? If you don't stand up then you implicity surrender your public spaces and your fellow passengers to the sort of deviant behaviour that only gets worse and more brazen the less it's challenged.
Fair balls to the woman in the video on that other thread who berrated the drunk racist on that train, but where were the other passengers? I think you'd find that gob****es would sit down and shut up with amazing speed if an entire carriage stood up and refused to tollerate them. Remember that together, we are the mob, not them!

Festy

conorhal wrote: »

I've recounted this story on similar threads before. A while back a group of about five travellers aged between 12 and 14 got on my Luas and started throwing slices of bread balled up into dough at an elderly couple, then turning around and saying 'It wan't me boss' and laughing. I snatched the the sliced pan off their ringleader, who instantly pops up to his full height and drops his jacket to the floor, demanding to fight me. I just stood up, eyeballed him for a minute and walked away. The vile abuse that was heaped on me untill I just got off at the next stop actually left me shaking. I had to get of the Luas at Blackhorse where I fed the remainder of the bread to the swans until I calmed down.

What pissed me off the most about that event was not the little scrotes behaviour, I expect scrotes to act like scrotes, it was the fact that nobody else was prepared to stand up to that behaviour, and when I did, a good 25 or 30 other healthy, strapping young male passengers on that Luas all either gawped on or found something facinating to watch out the window. Needless to say I felt pretty vunerable and alone on a Luas full of passengers.

These were not some gang of dangerous thugs, they were scumbag kids, hardly beyond reproach but nobody stood up to them or chose to back me up when I did.
I'd urge people when they see situations like that developing to stand up. If you don't do it, who's going to do it for you? If you don't stand up then you implicity surrender your public spaces and your fellow passengers to deviant behaviour that only gets worse and more brazen the less it's challenged. Fair balls to the woman in the video on that other thread who berrated the drunk racist on that train, but where were the other passengers? I think you'd find that gob****es would sit down and shut up with amazing speed if an entire carriage stood up and refused to tollerate them. Remember that together, we are the mob, not them!

Most people would love nothing more than to stand up to these little punks but it's simply not worth getting a bottle over the head or even knifed.That's times we live in unfortunately and it is only going to get worse.

conorhal

Festy wrote: »

Most people would love nothing more than to stand up to these little punks but it's simply not worth getting a bottle over the head or even knifed.That's times we live in unfortunately and it is only going to get worse.

Well like I said, they were five 12-14 yr olds,I'd say, two 12yr old, a thirteen yr old and their fourteen year old ringleader. They were just out messing and intimidating people for a laugh and clearly armed only with a sliced pan.

I'm pretty sure that if five or six blokes had stood up and suggested that they apologise to the elderly couple an sit down, that they probably would have suddenly realised that they'd arrived at their stop.

If a carriage full of about 40 adults are cowed and unwilling to challenge that then they will no doubt become the knife and bottle wielding creatures that pose a serious threat.

Festy

conorhal wrote: »

Well like I said, they were five 12-14 yr old, say two 12yr old, a thirteen yr old and their fourteen year old ringleader. They were just out messing and intimidating people for a laugh and clearly armed only with a sliced pan.

I'm pretty sure that if five or six blokes had stood up and suggested that they apologise to the elderly couple an sit down, that they probably would have suddenly realised that they'd arrived at their stop.

If a carriage full of about 40 adults are cowed and unwilling to challenge that then they will no doubt become the knife and bottle wielding creatures that pose a serious threat.

12 is 21 in traveller age.


Those types of knacks are brought up around violence from a very young age.Some of them wouldn't think twice about pulling a knife on you.So like I said it's simply not worth getting involved in.

conorhal

Festy wrote: »

12 is 21 in traveller age.


Those types of knacks are brought up around violence from a very young age.Some of them wouldn't think twice about pulling a knife on you.So like I said it's simply not worth getting involved in.

I doubt it. I'm a good enough judge of situations to be able to gague how far it's likely to escalate, believe me when I say that I've absolutely no interest in intervening in a situation in which I'm likely to get stabbed. This wasn't one of those, still people were unwilling to check the behaviour of people only behaving that way simply because they knew they could.

COYW

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The thread is about the scum who populate our capital city. All very well having comparisons with other capital cities but it is our own that troubles me.

(Ok if we have to compare try Amsterdam. Genuinely scary place with dealers on every corner in one infamous part of the city.)

Anyway I consider myself somewhat normal but I would have no problem offering the sub species €100 to get sterilised. It is a short term solution maybe but it is a start.

Good post. I had the "pleasure" of visiting Amsterdam a few weeks ago, staying very close to that district and I have to say that I wouldn't live there for all the money in the world. As you say, that part of the city was filled with addicts of hard drugs, dealers and weirdos looking to start fights with tourists. Dublin has it share of knackers but it is a beautiful city compared to what I witnessed in Amsterdam.

In Dublin, the good weather does seem to have an effect on them. I witnessed a good example today. Mr and Mrs Junkie were sitting at the bus stop at Islandbridge. Mrs Junkie was off her face but Mr. Junkie wasn't because "the welfare" wouldn't give him his money and he couldn't buy "his gear". Mrs. Junkie decides to comfort him by kissing him. Mr. Junkie didn't like this and proceeded to tell her to have sexual intercourse with herself and pushed her away. Mrs. Junkie opened a can of cheap beer at this point. Suddenly another female junkie, Mrs. Junkie #2, arrives on the scene and Mr. Junkie gets the idea into his head that she might be able to help him out, so he starts talking to her and asks her about "heading out". Mrs. Junkie #2 is interested but she has to attend to the more pressing mater of "her fella" being in court and she needed to find €2,000 for him first. She told Mr. Junkie that she would be back in 5 mins and walked off in the direction of the central criminal court. My bus came then so I had to leave but I was soooo tempted to wait to see what happened.

I have given up watching soap operas because you get more entertainment at that bus stop than any soap can provide.

alphabeat

The King of Moo wrote: »

In response to getting a kick in the bottom, you pinned a minor against a wall, stabbed his groin with a trowel, and now hope than an elderly man who tried to stop your assault gets robbed!?

You're a scumbag.

no hes not , hes just mis guided - he should have snapped the little cnuts neck