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Study of Radicalisation - 26 Irish Jihadis Fought in Syria

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    #152
    Celly Smunt
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-z5smrrT8

    I recommend wayne molloy skips to 2:20


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    #153
    Celly Smunt
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Am I posting on a saudi arabian messgae board and waxing lyrical about the benefits of them accepting Christianity in their country?

    Saudi Arabia is a demonic country. I cant wait for us to wean ourselves off the black gold.

    Have you ever been to Saudi?


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    #154
    WayneMolloy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    Have you ever been to Saudi?

    No.


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    #155
    old hippy
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Am I posting on a saudi arabian messgae board and waxing lyrical about the benefits of them accepting Christianity in their country?

    Saudi Arabia is a demonic country. I cant wait for us to wean ourselves off the black gold.

    So, it's an Irish forum for Irish people, is that it?

    Your hatred of otherness is truly saddening.


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    #156
    Celly Smunt
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    No.

    I think that sort of proves a point,don't you?


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    #157
    BuilderPlumber
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    I don't think there is the same level of Talibanised Islam in Ireland as say in the UK, France or Holland for example for a whole load of reasons. More alarming in Ireland is the rise of dissident republicanism rather than al qaedaism.

    Unfortunately, this is a major problem in the Middle East though. Each country there gets hordes of these self styled "jihadis" fighting to take over the place for "Islam". Is this not a new colonialism? Fighters from central asia and Arab nations stormed into Mali to supress the African majority on behalf of the Berber and Tuareg white minority in the country's north. Soon, even the native Taureg and Berbers were sick of these too as they are foreigners not natives. Syria is the same as was Iraq and Afghanistan - Osama bin Laden and others started this trend and "Islam" is a handy way to unite this vaste empire which believes more in cocaine than the Koran. We should be glad these type of people are not interested in Ireland and leave our shores.

    Islam was actually not so long ago a progressive and apolitical religion. Then, the Lebanese civil war, the Israeli conflicts and the Iranian revolution changed all that. The regime in Iran seemed hardline in 1979 but it was shown to be the more moderate of such regimes in a short few years. Iran too remains the only restive Middle East country where the coming revolution will be anti-Talibanistic. Iraq too seems to have contained that side of things and the people don't want repression. The other ones - especially Syria, Mali, Gaza Strip - are sliding towards Talibanisation with foreign fighters controlling the rebellion. Somalia and Afghanistan even Pakistan are all messed up because of this too.

    Ireland's exempt from all this but we have our own warped nationalists, an uncaring government and a protection of the elite where cutbacks on ordinary people are made to serve this elite. Same reasons why Arabs and Iranians rose up against their past and present governments. Same reason why all countries do. But, revolutions often have brought along worse as everywhere from Afghanistan to Stalinist Russia have seen.


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    #158
    Nodin
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    Spanish Harlem wrote: »
    Where I'm (.......)to watch your son run off to a war zone half way across the world for warped ideological reasons.

    Irish people have been fighting in foreign wars since time immemorial.
    Spanish Harlem wrote: »
    Mosques have been shown to be breeding grounds for extremists and terrorism countless times.

    Hmmmm...deja vu.....
    On The Jews & Their Lies wrote:
    Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in-which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and vehming his eyes on them.
    http://jdstone.org/cr/files/martin_luther/onthejewsandtheirlies03.html


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    #159
    WayneMolloy
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    pmcmahon wrote: »
    I think that sort of proves a point,don't you?

    Not at all. I aint lecturing the saudis on the benefits of accepting Christianity in their country. Ive been to islamic countries before - absolute oppressive dumps. No chance of me visiting their mothership!


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    #160
    Nodin
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Not at all. I aint lecturing the saudis on the benefits of accepting Christianity in their country. Ive been to islamic countries before - absolute oppressive dumps. No chance of me visiting their mothership!


    Why is Saudi the "mothership" of Islamic countries?


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    #161
    Celly Smunt
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Not at all. I aint lecturing the saudis on the benefits of accepting Christianity in their country. Ive been to islamic countries before - absolute oppressive dumps. No chance of me visiting their mothership!

    Please enlighten me on which of these oppressive dumps you have visited.


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    #162
    WayneMolloy
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Irish people have been fighting in foreign wars since time immemorial.]

    Yeah, but they have only recently started allah akbaring.


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    #163
    SeanW
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    pmcmahon wrote: »
    I think that sort of proves a point,don't you?
    How so? you don't need to eat faeces to know that it wouldn't taste nice. Similarly, everyone knows that Saudi Arabia is a hellhole of Islamic extremism, repression and hatred. Claiming otherwise would be like claiming the sun rises in the Northwest.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Someone going to fight in Syria doesn't automatically make him an extremist.

    It's the reason he's going there that does.
    And this is the nub of the problem. If they're going over there to help the Syrian people find freedom in their hour of need, that can only be regarded as virtuous, in the same way that Irishmen going to fight for the Allies in World War II against the Nazis can only be highly regarded.

    If on the other hand they're going over there to wage jihad in the name of Allah as so many Muslims do today, that should be a matter of concern.


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    #164
    WayneMolloy
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    pmcmahon wrote: »
    Please enlighten me on which of these oppressive dumps you have visited.

    Turkey, egypt and uae.


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    #165
    Nodin
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Yeah, but they have only recently started allah akbaring.

    So its "different" when they're muslims. Great stuff.

    Why is Saudi the "mothership" of Islamic countries?


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    #166
    SeanW
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    Nodin wrote: »
    So its "different" when they're muslims. Great stuff.

    Why is Saudi the "mothership" of Islamic countries?
    1. Mecca and Medina are both in Saudi Arabia and are both holy sites, the former of which each Muslim must try to visit at least once in his/her lifetime. Asking why Saudi Arabia is the "mothership" of Islamic countries, frankly, is as boneheaded as asking why the Vatican is the "mothership" of staunchly Catholic countries.
    2. Saudi Arabia has all the money. Which they're using to spread Wahabbism like the poison that it is.


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    Spanish Harlem
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Irish people have been fighting in foreign wars since time immemorial.

    True. The Irish really are a bunch of limp-wristed invalids begging to be colonised. From the English, to the Catholic church, to the Islamic extremists, we just love being told what to do. Bin Laden was spot on about Ireland being ripe for conversion. Out of all the countries on the planet, we stand out like a sore thumb.

    Irish fools being blown to bits in the Spanish civil war fighting a losing battle against fascism. Ditto with the Mexicans in the Mexican-American war. Even today we have naive middle-class protesters being used as pawns in the West Bank by Arab terrorists. Israel is going nowhere, lads. Cut the dreadlocks, have a shower and stop embarrassing your country.


    Hmmmm...deja vu.....

    http://jdstone.org/cr/files/martin_luther/onthejewsandtheirlies03.html

    Not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing Jews into this. Are you saying you agree with Martin Luther? I find Jews to be lovely people and would have no problem with synagogues being built across Ireland.


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    #168
    old hippy
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Turkey, egypt and uae.

    Truly, travel has broadened your mind.


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    #169
    Nodin
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    Spanish Harlem wrote: »

    Not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing Jews into this. Are you saying you agree with Martin Luther? I find Jews to be lovely people and would have no problem with synagogues being built across Ireland.

    Rather obviously, I'm saying that your anti-mosque blather has direct parallels to Martin Luthers medieval anti-semetic rantings. Bigotry seems to follow the same lines across the ages.


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    #170
    WayneMolloy
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Truly, travel has broadened your mind.

    Absolutely, but not so much as to make my brain fall out. Some cultures and religous beliefs are beyond primitive.


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    #171
    Nodin
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    SeanW wrote: »
    1. Mecca and Medina are both in Saudi Arabia and are both holy sites, the former of which each Muslim must try to visit at least once in his/her lifetime. Asking why Saudi Arabia is the "mothership" of Islamic countries, frankly, is as boneheaded as asking why the Vatican is the "mothership" of staunchly Catholic countries.
    2. Saudi Arabia has all the money. Which they're using to spread Wahabbism like the poison that it is.


    Is "wayne" unable to explain his own position? Up to now, I'd presumed he was just avoiding doing so.


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    #172
    old hippy
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    Spanish Harlem wrote: »
    True. The Irish really are a bunch of limp-wristed invalids begging to be colonised. From the English, to the Catholic church, to the Islamic extremists, we just love being told what to do. Bin Laden was spot on about Ireland being ripe for conversion. Out of all the countries on the planet, we stand out like a sore thumb.

    Irish fools being blown to bits in the Spanish civil war fighting a losing battle against fascism. Ditto with the Mexicans in the Mexican-American war. Even today we have naive middle-class protesters being used as pawns in the West Bank by Arab terrorists. Israel is going nowhere, lads. Cut the dreadlocks, have a shower and stop embarrassing your country.





    Not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing Jews into this. Are you saying you agree with Martin Luther? I find Jews to be lovely people and would have no problem with synagogues being built across Ireland.

    So it's just Muslims, protestors and people with long hair who get up your nose?

    You chide people for fighting against fascism and oppression; why is that?


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    #173
    Celly Smunt
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    SeanW wrote: »
    How so? you don't need to eat faeces to know that it wouldn't taste nice. Similarly, everyone knows that Saudi Arabia is a hellhole of Islamic extremism, repression and hatred. Claiming otherwise would be like claiming the sun rises in the Northwest.

    Saudi is far far far from being regressive,yes in the news when you see the desert dwellers larking on (which is all we seem to see),but go into any major city or suburban city and it's a far different story.


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    #174
    Gyalist
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Irish people have been fighting in foreign wars since time immemorial.

    Yes. For example, they fought on opposing sides in the Spanish Civil War where a large number fought for Franco's Nationalists and a smaller number opposed them as part of the anti-fascist International Brigade.

    An old friend of mine who is a retired Irish Defence Force officer recently told me of an incident that he was involved in while in the Lebanon some years ago. The group of Irish soldiers that he was commanding came under shelling from inside Israel. They managed to get radio contact with the Israelis to find out what was going on. To my friend's surprise, the Israeli commander spoke with an Irish accent and it turned out that they actually knew each other personally as they were both involved in a sports league in Dublin and had played for their clubs against each other and socialised together for many years.


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    #175
    old hippy
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Absolutely, but not so much as to make my brain fall out. Some cultures and religous beliefs are beyond primitive.

    I find your beliefs to be very primitive, Wayne.


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    #176
    Celly Smunt
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    Absolutely, but not so much as to make my brain fall out. Some cultures and religous beliefs are beyond primitive.

    I never knew the resorts in turkey,egypt and the UAE were primitive.I know where not to book next time i'm in budget travel.


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    #177
    WayneMolloy
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    old hippy wrote: »
    I find your beliefs to be very primitive, Wayne.

    I find yours to be insane. But here we are.


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    #178
    old hippy
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    WayneMolloy wrote: »
    I find yours to be insane. But here we are.

    Insane for calling for a stop to scaremongering and promoting hateful stereotypes?

    Insane for believing I, as an Irish person, have the right to comment on my home country?

    Yes, Wayne. I'm barking. Clearly.


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    #179
    Nodin
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    pmcmahon wrote: »
    I never knew the resorts in turkey,egypt and the UAE were primitive.I know where not to book next time i'm in budget travel.

    By the look of things, these people have yet to master fire....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgNZvuCig0s


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    #180
    WayneMolloy
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Insane for calling for a stop to scaremongering and promoting hateful stereotypes?

    Insane for believing I, as an Irish person, have the right to comment on my home country?

    Yes, Wayne. I'm barking. Clearly.

    No, insane for getting so emotional and saying that you would rather die than see Ireland become less multicultural - even though you havent lived here in years!

    Thats mad, ted. But all that said, id love to go for a beer with you. You are an interesting character.


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    #181
    Gyalist
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    What action should the Irish government take against an Irish citizen serving in a foreign army who was responible for the troops under his command firing at Irish troops carrying out their legally-mandated UN duties?


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